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Cheika reportedly agrees to coach Wallabies; Rugby Stuff

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Oct 2014, 07:55
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20 Oct 2014, 07:55#1

NSW Waratahs coach Michael Cheika has agreed in principle to replace Ewen McKenzie in charge of the Wallabies, according to a report on Monday citing "an informed source".

Cheika led the Waratahs to the Super Rugby title last season, completing a unique coaching double after he guided Irish province Leinster to a Heineken Cup triumph in 2009. 

The report in The Australian said Cheika was hoping to retain control at the Waratahs and combine that role with his duties as national coach in the lead-up to next year's World Cup in England.

McKenzie dramatically resigned a few hours before the Wallabies lost 29-28 to the All Blacks in Brisbane on Saturday amid the turmoil caused by utility back Kurtley Beale allegedly sending offensive text messages to a team official.

Cheika's record makes him the favourite for the job ahead of World Cup-winning former South Africa coach Jake White, who was sounded out to replace Robbie Deans in July last year only to lose out to McKenzie.

The ARU is keen to appoint a coach before Friday when the squad depart for their tour of Europe, which features tests against Wales, France, Ireland and England.

ARU chief Bill Pulver said they would consider a caretaker coach if it was not possible to make a permanent appointment in time. 

With no June Tests and a curtailed Rugby Championship next season, however, that would allow the new coach precious little time to put his imprint on the squad. Other candidates mooted in local media were Australia's World Cup-winning former five-eighth Stephen Larkham, who is coach of ACT Brumbies, and Melbourne Rebels coach Tony McGahan.

Brumbies chief executive Doug Edwards said on Monday he would be hugely surprised if Larkham was not in Canberra next season. 

"You never say never, but I would be extremely surprised if they appoint Stephen as the Wallabies coach," he told Fairfax Media. 

"He's here for next year. He's very committed to Australian rugby and if there's a way he could help out, I'm sure he would if there was a way that would fit. But he'll stay at the Brumbies next year." 

- Reuters

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Oct 2014, 07:56
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20 Oct 2014, 07:56#2
 Can't see how he can coach both the Tahs and the Wobblies. Time to get real mate!
He is an exciting choice, his explosive personality can work to inspire his team or unsettle the players & get him in the headlines. He could be the one to take the wobblies to the next level. Great motivator.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Oct 2014, 08:14
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20 Oct 2014, 08:14#3
 Wheew I was worried they may appoint master Jake! We would then have plenty to worry about come RWC time. Now we need t o just concentrate on England.
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
20 Oct 2014, 08:19
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20 Oct 2014, 08:19#4

Rough one for the Wallies! Less than a year to go before the World Cup, and now they have a new coach.


No matter who the coach Is, there is not enough time and there are not enough games to make the team his own.

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
20 Oct 2014, 08:21
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20 Oct 2014, 08:21#5
 Bean Brain, Jake the flake was never in contention as he  burnt all his bridges like a dopey yarpy..
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
20 Oct 2014, 08:37
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20 Oct 2014, 08:37#6
 No one wanted Jake White. We are finally starting to play a style of Rugby we all want and will cop some losses to have it. (some) Jake Ball would have killed Rugby in Australia.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Oct 2014, 08:39
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20 Oct 2014, 08:39#7
I don't agree that there's not enough time. Jake White turned Straeuli's bumbling circus into a Tri-Nations champion side in half a season. There's a lot a coach can accomplish in a short time, and as we saw on the weekend this is not a bad Australian side. They just need some direction, and Cheika may be able to give it to them .
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
20 Oct 2014, 08:51
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20 Oct 2014, 08:51#8
 I'd rather face the Wallabies under the hand of Cheika than that of Jake White. Experience counts for everything at the WC, something Cheika is yet to learn.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Oct 2014, 09:03
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20 Oct 2014, 09:03#9
Lets face facts - both Cheika and White has negatives - but I think White may be a better choice.   As Denny said White is the more exerienced coach and Cheika - with his explosive temperament will get into trouble.
Take for instance the game of the Sharks against the Waratahs - wher Cheika lost his cool completely and got into an embarrassing situation with the TV officials - where he ended up with plenty egg in his face.   
White's problem is he needs expertise insofar as backline play is concerned - and he is likely to get that by using for instance Larkham.   
Neither is an ideal choice - but I would go for White if I was the ARU.   I would not put too much on the above report - itis again a ploy to get Cheika appointed - so lets wait and see what happens.  
  
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
20 Oct 2014, 09:10
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20 Oct 2014, 09:10#10
 
White has shown himself to be unreliable. One without integrity ... without principals.

No qualms about breaking contracts.

No way I'd have this man anywhere near my team.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Oct 2014, 09:20
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20 Oct 2014, 09:20#11
 CC
That is one of the reasons that made White unaccprtable - he routinely breaks contracts if and when he sees a gap to ebcome an intrnational referee again.   He used  the Sharks as an interim measure - waiting for the next opportunity - that is clear by now.   
   
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
20 Oct 2014, 09:36
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20 Oct 2014, 09:36#12
  ...Jake the flake was never in the equation after he spat the dummy and left under a cloud...  so he could be close to his family he said...and you cant get any closer to home than coaching Tonga, a tiny atoll in the middle of the Pacific Ocean...             
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Oct 2014, 10:01
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20 Oct 2014, 10:01#13
Watch out for Tonga. I expect them to take ascalp or two under Jake.
Those woth rugby acumen know Jake is a good coach. Look what happened to the Sharks last Saturday. bwahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha. Very silly move to get rid of Jake it would seem. Every team he gets invoved improves markedly. FACT
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Oct 2014, 10:05
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20 Oct 2014, 10:05#14
 Another possble problem the sharks have is John Smith. Just because you captained the Boks doesnt make you fit to head a franchise. Are the Sharks loosing it?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Oct 2014, 14:15
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20 Oct 2014, 14:15#15
Good call, he will kick arse with the Wallabies......far better option than average, disloyal Jake 
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
20 Oct 2014, 14:49
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20 Oct 2014, 14:49#16
 The logical choice, Cheika is aussie and the aussie coach with the current best curriculum. As shown at Waratahs he knows how to play the expansive game the aussies like and are used to while mantaining the defensive cohesion.
It's supposed that he'll be very careful with his possible break outs and fits of rage but let see.....

White has many things against him. Beggining with his lack of loyalty and his custom of brea king contracts but mainly that he's saffa and has a very saffa (10 men rugby) approach to the game. If he was appointed and the wallabies didn't begin with winnings he would be instantly very criticised for introducing the saffa style
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
20 Oct 2014, 14:52
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20 Oct 2014, 14:52#17
 What isn't so logical is to mantain himself as the tahs manager also.
I don't think that' s a good idea
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Oct 2014, 18:33
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20 Oct 2014, 18:33#18
 

Update: Cheika set for top job; NZ Herald

Successful Waratahs mentor Michael Cheika is set to be announced as the new Wallabies coach, with the NSW Rugby Union keen to ensure he masterminds their Super Rugby title defence before overseeing Australia's World Cup campaign.

Several websites on Monday afternoon stated Cheika had reportedly agreed to fill the position vacated by Ewen McKenzie after last Saturday's Test loss to New Zealand in Brisbane.

However, there was no immediate confirmation from the Australian Rugby Union.

On Twitter, the ARU said they were still investigating options and no coach had been locked in, but they hoped to have a solution in place before the Wallabies leave on Friday for their northern hemisphere spring tour.

Cheika confirmed he had held discussions with ARU officials, but stopped short of saying he had accepted an offer.

"It's a pretty humbling experience to be asked to be involved in something like that (the Wallabies' coaching role) but we'll see what happens," Cheika told reporters.

"There's a few things to iron out obviously - the logistics et cetera, everything being so close, so we'll see how it goes and work it out from there."

Cheika is believed to want to oversee the Waratahs' title defence before taking control of the Wallabies.

The NSWRU also want that to happen.

"We would fully endorse and support Michael if he was offered that (Wallaby) role, that's without fail," NSWRU chief executive Jason Allen told AAP on Monday.

"I think it's a great compliment for the many years of service he's provided in rugby.

"We would, however, respect that he would have to, with our best wishes, accept both roles for next season.

"It would be challenging, but with a small amount of inbound Tests, the board and I think that's achievable."

Asked if any deal with the ARU would be conditional on Cheika coaching the 'Tahs in 2015, Allen said: "We would find it very hard to accept a release without that condition.

"We've got an entity to protect as well."

Australia will play just four Tests next year prior to the World Cup - two against New Zealand and one each against Argentina and South Africa.

There are precedents for a coach performing Super and Test duties in the same season - although the appointments were made with relatively short notice.

In 2001, Eddie Jones coached the Brumbies to the Super title before accepting the Wallabies post after Rod Macqueen stood down mid-year.

New Zealander Robbie Deans coached the Crusaders to the most recent of their seven Super titles in 2008 before starting his tenure as Wallabies coach almost immediately after.

If appointed in time for the spring tour, Cheika would certainly hit the ground running.

A squad for the tour could be announced as soon as Tuesday.

One man not expected to tour, but who Cheika has been a big supporter of is Kurtley Beale, who will face an independent hearing on Friday into a couple of alleged indiscretions.

Broadcaster and former Wallabies coach Alan Jones was critical of both McKenzie and the ARU.

It has been reported McKenzie could be approached to coach Argentina next year.

Former Wallabies centre Tim Horan thought McKenzie could look at returning to Europe, where he has previously coached Stade Francais, the same French club Cheika has also coached.

- AAP

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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
20 Oct 2014, 19:06
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20 Oct 2014, 19:06#19

 Australia is notorious for being able to turn their fortunes around, and if you think about it, it is much easier to get a group of players to focus on one short term goal and get them motivated for that period of time than sustaining a motivated team over four years.


Although their pack seem to lack grunt at times they are very smart at scrumtime, they managed the Argentine scrum a lot better than we did, somehow collapsed every scrum bar one, yet managed to get 50/50 on the calls, similarly against New Zealand.


Pocock the nightmare from Wellington in 2011 will be back, and their backline spells danger with players like Kurindrani, Folau and Speight joining them.


I certainly won't be writing their chances off.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Oct 2014, 19:29
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20 Oct 2014, 19:29#20
Pfffffffffhahahaha! 
I see there are still some dullards on this thread who seriously thought that Joke White had some kind of shot at becoming the next Wallaby coach. 
LMAO!
I think Joke has finally found his right level in international rugby as the assistant coach of Tonga . . . and he'll probably walk out on them before the RWC.
If I had the choice I'd take a 10 minute conference call with Michael Cheika once a week rather than Joke White full time.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Oct 2014, 20:25
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20 Oct 2014, 20:25#21
Jake  with Eddie Jones would have been a formidable, experienced team. We dodged a bullet there.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Oct 2014, 21:16
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20 Oct 2014, 21:16#22
  Cheika accepts Wallabies coaching dealMichael Cheika has accepted a three-year offer to take on the Wallabies coaching job left vacant by the resignation of Ewen McKenzie.

A source close to Cheika confirmed he would take up the deal and was keen to bring in Stephen Larkham as an assistant coach and Michael Foley to work with the forwards.

A smiling Cheika, dressed in a Waratahs tracksuit top and black jeans, confirmed the offer late Monday when he spoke to the media out the front of Waratahs headquarters at Moore Park.

"It's a pretty humbling experience to be asked to be involved in something like that, but we'll see what happens," Cheika said.

Cheika is planning to remain in charge of the Waratahs next season and would like Larkham (Brumbies) and Foley (Force) also to stay at the helm of their respective provinces as he tries to build unity throughout the states for Australia's 2015 World Cup campaign.

"There are a few things to be ironed out, obviously the logistics, etc ... everything is so close. So we will see how it goes and work it out from there."

Asked if he was excited about the opportunity, he said: "Who wouldn't be excited in coaching [the Wallabies]."

Asked if the deal could be sealed before Friday when the team flies to Europe for its spring tour, Cheika said: "We'll see how it happens."

The strength of the Waratahs' say in any deal between him and the ARU has grown markedly.

Cheika still has one year to serve on his contract as Waratahs coach, so no agreement between the ARU and Cheika could be reached without the Waratahs' approval - and on his and their full terms. Waratahs chief executive Jason Allen made that clear after he spoke with the ARU chief executive on the telephone about matters he would not divulge.

With only a few days until the Wallabies fly out for their five-game tour, it is hard to imagine any discussion would not have something to do with pressing ARU matters. And for the ARU there is a mountain of those.

They include officially appointing and naming a new coach and the new management structure Bill Pulver said would be created before McKenzie resigned, approving and naming the Wallabies touring party initially scheduled for today, booking confirmed flights, and fine tuning arrangements for what is supposed to be a Wallabies celebration - the John Eales Medal dinner.

"I had a long chat with Bill about a number of things. I am not going to repeat what they were about," Allen said.

"All I will say is, if that were to eventuate with Michael Cheika [asked to coach the Wallabies], that's the position of the Waratahs board."

Asked what the Waratahs board position is, Allen said it remained as Waratahs chairman Roger Davis expressed last week. "We would want him to coach us next season, so we are willing to work with the ARU on the solution and wouldn't stop him obviously," Allen said.

"I know Roger said we would definitely support him in advancing his career. There is no doubt about it."

Meanwhile, Allen said any loss of Cheika's services to the Waratahs would only compound an already challenging number of issues they have to resolve before the 2015 season.

Firstly, if Cheika left, there would be the cost factor of a global search the Waratahs would have to execute to try and find the right person, at a time when there is not a flood of top available coaches.

During that search, the Waratahs would then have to appoint an interim coach from one of their two assistants, in former Crusaders assistant and All Black Daryl Gibson or former Wallaby Nathan Grey.

With the Waratahs having won their first ever Super title, losing Cheika could compromise their potential to win back-to-back titles - and with that, increased gate-taking and sponsorship opportunities.

"From a board position, we are on the lookout for a new CEO, and a new manager of commercial and marketing," said Allen, who will soon leave his position as CEO.

"[Finding] a head coach at this time of year ... [it] would prove to be a little difficult to find a suitable candidate. It would be bloody tough ... there are not too many coaches around at the moment.

"So we would want that ... [having Cheika still at the Waratahs] would be our perfect solution."

Allen was confident the ARU would recognise the Waratahs' issues and work with them to find the best solution for all parties.

"We have a pretty good working relationship with the ARU. If it did go that way I am sure we would work something out," Allen said.

"I don't think it would be in the ARU's interest to have any of the team put in a predicament where they are hanging off the edge. So surely there will be a sensible decision at the end of it."

Asked if he is confident that that would happen if Cheika was offered the Wallabies job, he said: "Who knows. I am not a decision maker of the ARU. As my chairman has put out, they know our position."

Asked if a subject of discussion in his conversation with Pulver was the Beale code of conduct tribunal, Allen said: "No  mate ...  Our position is loud and clear on Kurtley Beale.

"This is an ARU matter. Since it happened in an ARU period of time, we support an employee of ours - we support Kurtley - through this process."

- Sydney Morning Herald

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Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
20 Oct 2014, 21:21
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20 Oct 2014, 21:21#23
Mark these words said today, here on this forum. Jake White will still coach the Stormers and he will make a huge success of it. He suits the Stormers absolutely perfectly - they were made for each other.

I reckon he will take the Stormers to a Super rugby trophy.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Oct 2014, 23:14
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20 Oct 2014, 23:14#24
Cheika has twice the vision that Jake has as a coach.  Chalk and cheese. Just look what he did with donkey Jacques Potgieter.
Mckenzie has been a big flop. His selections have been piss poor much like Meyers
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
20 Oct 2014, 23:57
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20 Oct 2014, 23:57#25
 Saf on the face of it McKenzie may have looked to have been a flop but I actually think he has done well. He has changed the whole style of play to what most people in Oz wanted and Saturday showed when the players do there part things could work out well. Some of his selections were off the mark and were proven to be so over time but in general terms things were looking up. The whole saga has shown a few things. Hoopers immaturity as captain for one. He should have stood by the coaches decisions on Beale or at least kept his mouth shut. Also the weakness of the ARU who could have used it as a chance to stand strong but instead chose to let  Ewens tenure wilt away. Having said that we now need to move on and I think Aussies generally will be exited with Cheika coaching. A continuing of the rugby style we have been playing and some real passion.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Oct 2014, 00:49
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21 Oct 2014, 00:49#26
Yeah Clay, he just disappointed me with his selections. Locks,  blind side flank and 8 have been poor selections. Higginbottom should have started at 8 ages ago.
Playing Mccabe and Horne on the wing was stupidity and Tomua at 12 was a poor call. Phipps is not the best 9. He made too many poor selections selling Oz short in the process.
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