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Chiefs formula for success.

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
31 Jul 2013, 00:54
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31 Jul 2013, 00:54#1

Defending champions have put in the hard yards and have shown they are ready to grab consecutive titles.

 

 

Getting success out of a team is hard to achieve and harder to quantify. Moulding a disparate group of about 30 individuals is a daily project which in the modern Super Rugby season starts in February and ends in August. There are constant ups and downs but once again the Chiefs have coped better than any other franchise. They finished first after the regular season and now stand on the brink of a consecutive title.
Here are six things they have done right:

Getting the best out of their players
No Sonny Bill Williams, no Richard Kahui (following his shoulder injury), no early-season goalkicking for Aaron Cruden due to a groin problem, no worries. The Chiefs' coaches merely got more out of the players they had. Bundee Aki made the step up to this level with ease - all the while wearing the No12 jersey vacated by the incomparable Williams. Fellow midfielder Charlie Ngatai was a new recruit and has done everything asked of him. Tim Nanai-Williams, dogged by a groin problem, switched to centre and was outstanding before his injury finally ended his season. Blues reject Gareth Anscombe played well at fullback and was a goalkicking genius when covering for Cruden. Matt Vant Leven, a wider training group player, has been brilliant at No8. The Chiefs are the new Crusaders in terms of developing players.

 

It's all in the detail
Chiefs skipper Craig Clarke reckons Dave Rennie never sleeps, such is the work the head coach puts in. Wayne Smith is another who sets a fearsome work ethic. All the Chiefs' coaches put in long hours and none of it is wasted. Want an example? How about the way they discovered the Crusaders' exit plays aren't as efficient as they could be? The result in the first clash between the two teams in Hamilton was two charged down clearances (including one by Dan Carter) for two tries. In a match which finished 28-19, that was the difference. The Chiefs were monstered by the Crusaders' forwards in the return encounter, but while the different attitude in the weekend's semifinal was crucial, so were the tactics. They decided to go a bit wider with their attack and it worked.

It's them against us
A siege mentality can be a highly effective motivation tool. Look at the way Sir Alex Ferguson fostered a "no one likes us motto" at Manchester United during his tenure there, despite the fact that they were one of the most successful and popular football clubs around. During the latter part of this season the Chiefs showed irritation at not being rated by the media. They felt it was all about the Crusaders despite the fact the Chiefs were the defending champions and travelling pretty well, too.

A stubborn streak
The All Blacks selectors felt Sam Cane was the best No7 in the country behind Richie McCaw; the Chiefs coaches thought he was pretty good too but stuck with Tanerau Latimer all the same. Rennie has said that in Cane and Latimer he has the two best openside flankers in New Zealand. Latimer played all but a few minutes of the recent semifinal victory despite not being able to train the previous fortnight due to a deep bruise on his calf.

Don't panic
In April the Chiefs lost consecutive matches to the Reds and Waratahs. Then they ran up two large leads against both the Sharks and Rebels only to see the opposition come close to winning. They lost heavily to the Crusaders in Christchurch, a potentially large mental hurdle so close to the playoffs. At no time did the coaches panic. There were selection changes, sure, but they were made with surgical precision, with scientific evidence to back them up. They put faith in their players and processes and it all paid off.

Making a point
Dave Rennie's response to the justifications of the forward pass rule by Sanzar referees boss Lyndon Bray following a couple of dodgy decisions in the Rebels win made not only good newspaper copy but good sense. Scott Higginbotham's try followed a pass which travelled forward by two metres. Fine, according to the law, said Bray. Not so, said Rennie. "If that's not a forward pass then we'll start getting guys 10m down the track and we'll start throwing it to them. That's just ludicrous."

That sort of forthright attitude has to be a positive.

- APNZ

By Patrick McKendry Email

CA
canrugbyClub Pro640 posts
31 Jul 2013, 01:29
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31 Jul 2013, 01:29#2

Chiefs are good. They're very good. They deserve everything that they have, and that they're going to get.

 

Saying all that. Wouldn't it be nice to see them beat a team in the Finals that isn't exhausted, and can actually put up a fight? I mean this is probably going to be another beating not worth watching. Chiefs haven't left New Zealand since the beginning of May. I'd say that has to go into the formula as well.

 

 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
31 Jul 2013, 09:35
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31 Jul 2013, 09:35#3

@Canrugby: I am a Chief's supporter so that tells you where my loyalty lies,,lol.

Most say that travel doesn’t impact the modern rugby player but I disagree. I have travelled long distances (NZ to US & Europe) many times & it takes it out of you. For teams at this level being off your game by even a couple of percent is enough to make you lose.

 

So I agree, the Chiefs have it all in their favour. The fact is though their record resulted in this situation so they deserve it. It’s a pleasure to watch them play and this final match brings the conservative SA type rugby style and the Kiwi running rugby (combined with some wicked defense). It should be a good one!

 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
31 Jul 2013, 10:20
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31 Jul 2013, 10:20#4

i like what dave rennie said about that higginbotham try, IMO that was big time bullshit too and common sense needed to be applied.

@canrugby,

u can only play with whats in front of u and this format is very flawed, but if we were to start trading hard luck stories, then the brumbies had no business fishing 3rd in the over all conference, it should have been the crusaders, both crusaders and brumbies finished on 60 points, but the crusaders had more wins and a higher points differential.
so just like the sharks ;last year, the brumbies have no one to blame but SARU who were the ones who insisted that the leader of the three confereces be automatically given top 3 placings.

the format is flawed from top to bottom, but it is what it is, but if travel wasnt an issue, does anyone really think the chiefs wouldnt smash the brumbies for a 6??? food for thought aye.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
31 Jul 2013, 12:01
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31 Jul 2013, 12:01#5

Dave Rennie hit the nail on the head with his statement:

"If that's not a forward pass then we'll start getting guys 10m down the track and we'll start throwing it to them. That's just ludicrous."

What he is describing is American football, i.e. the forward pass is one of the main elements of that game. Let's keep American football in America. And let's keep common sense in rugby!

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Jul 2013, 12:05
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31 Jul 2013, 12:05#6

Greetings brycy my friend. I was sure you would reappear if the chiefies fluked a win over the crusties!!

Its good to see you have some sensible support from Just as I have felt some guidance was needed.

Brycy you mention three missing chief players Wow how did you manage!. Just remember your betters the Mighty Stormers had 18 and the sharks 19.Also remember how the MS gave the wee chiefies a good snotklap.

Jake has been busy this year in schooling the coaches of the Lions, and the nz coaches inluding sir graham and sir john - two villains who somehow fliched knighthoods. Master Jake cut them down to size without missing a beat.

Yes it is appalling he was fired and replaced by ou pea (brained) de V. How we shoot ourselves in the foot repeatedly here throwing away our winning hand.

One has to say things are heavily favouring the chiefs but nothing is cast in stone so keep the chest beating to a minimum brycy and other kiw bird brains. Bwahahaahahahahahahahaha

 

CA
canrugbyClub Pro640 posts
31 Jul 2013, 19:35
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31 Jul 2013, 19:35#7

Sasuke, and just_win.

 

I do agree with you guys. I think the Chiefs deserve everything they are getting. They're a great team.

Being at home since the beginning of May though isn't really their doing though...but....

 

I just think the Championship game is being, for the lack of a better word,  "tainted", by the scheduling, and by the structure. I'm sure the Chiefs could beat any team in a championship game with tons of rest, but the problem is, is we'll never know. If the Chiefs do what they did to the Sharks last year then SANZAR seriously has to look at what's going on. Their Chamionship game, the big spectical of the league, is flawed.

 

Who knows. Maybe the Brumbies can pull it off.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
31 Jul 2013, 20:05
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31 Jul 2013, 20:05#8

@beeno1 aka storminged,

"I was sure you would reappear if the chiefies fluked a win over the crusties!!"
chiefs have won their last three matches against the crusaders in hamilton, no fluke, the two strongest teams in the spXV are the crusaders and chiefs.
as for ur puny stormers, they have lost their last 3 matches at home against the crusaders.

"Jake has been busy this year in schooling the coaches of the Lions, and the nz coaches inluding sir graham and sir john"
pretty sure blackadder gave whites boys a smackdown, and in thier own backyard too.
rennis and smith will join that list this weekend when the chiefs fans throw some horse meat on the grill courtesy the brumbies.

"Yes it is appalling he was fired and replaced by ou pea (brained) de V."
jake white could have reapplied for the Boks job but didnt, his ego cost him big time hence him not finding a coaching job till the brumbies poor form had them turning into desperate housewives of canberra.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
31 Jul 2013, 20:29
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31 Jul 2013, 20:29#9

@canrugby,

again u can only play with whats in front of u, but heres the signifcance of why SARU are to blame for the brumbies and the sharks last years travelling woes.

when negotiating the format for spXV, SARU pushed for the leader of every conference to be given automatic top 3 spots, they didnt trust their spXV teams to host a home final every year.

in 2012 the top 6 looked like this
1) stormers 66pts
2) chiefs 64pts
3) reds 58pts
4) crusaders 61pts
5) bulls 59pts
6) sharks 59 pts
 
and heres what it would have looked like had it not been for SARU
1) stormers 66pts
2) chiefs 64pts
3) crusaders 61pts
4) bulls 59pts
5) sharks 59 pts
6) reds 58pts

the sharks had to travel from durban to brisbane to newlands to hamilton which is huge, but if SARU had actually had faith in the SA teams to get a home finals on thier own merit every year, the sharks assuming they would have won all their matches leading to the finals, would have travelled from durban to loftus to newlands and then to hamilton.

in 2013 the top 6 looked like this
1)  chiefs 66pts
2) bulls 63pts
3) brumbies 60pts
4) crusaders 60pts
5) reds 58pts
6) cheetahs 54pts

and heres what it would have looked like had it not been for SARU
1)  chiefs 66pts
2) bulls 63pts
3) crusaders 60pts
4) brumbies60pts
5) reds 58pts
6) cheetahs 54pts

brumbies would have and prob beaten the reds, before facing the chiefs in the semi finals in hamilton. would the brumbies last weekend have beaten that chiefs outfit, dont know was a real good performance from the brumbies though, but IMO the chiefs had just beaten a red hot and form team the crusaders and would have most likely have beaten the brumbies.

the point is, they are not going to change this format, but i agree it is bullshit and something should have been done, especially when u look at the sharks in 2012 and their around the SANZAR world twice in 28 days.
but also spare a thought for the crusaders, they would have finsihed thrid last year and this year had it not been for one of many flaws in the spXV format.

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