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Claasens sees the Proteas home

Started by Mozart15 REPLIES707 VIEWS· 11 Feb 2018, 06:14
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Feb 2018, 06:14
#1
11 Feb 2018, 06:14#1
Undoubtedly the rain helped the Proteas. But a solid start by Amla and Markham gave the Proteas a shot....seemingly gone when Miller was bowled for a duck, but then he got a reprieve with the no ball. India look the stronger team but at least the whitewash was avoided now that some of the weak links aren’t available.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Feb 2018, 06:23
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11 Feb 2018, 06:23#2

Did you watch the game at all?   As per normal other for the win and the contribution of Klaasen - you even got the spelling of his surname wrong - your factual contribution is really a superficial farce.          

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Feb 2018, 07:42
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11 Feb 2018, 07:42#3
Yes I did watch the game and I must say it’s a pleasure not having the deer in the headlights out there with his chicken wing.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Feb 2018, 10:05
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11 Feb 2018, 10:05#4

So Mozart5 - have you find out why you wrote a very misleading account of the match.   

Lets do a realistic assessment of what actually happened during the second innings:-

The required run rate before the rain break was 5,8 rpo.   Which of the batsman did not meet that run rate?   It was Amla and Duminy,   after the rain delay was 8.92 runs per over and it was obvious with those two players batting the rpo rate would not have been sufficient.

Miller's reference was misleading as well.   A batsman can never be out from a no-ball and your reference is misleading.   Miller played a major role in the winning of the ODI.

The situation is that the run rates of the players who actually won the ODI for the Proteasd we re as follows:-

De Villiers      26 from 19 balls   - 136,84

Miller             39 from 28 balls   -  135,74

Klaasen          43 from 27 balls  -   159,26

Phehlekwayo  23 from 5 balls   -    460

It is funny - Phehlukwayo was wearing shirt 23 in the game

I would much rather have batsmen in the team that meets the run rate requirement than those who do not.     

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Feb 2018, 16:43
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11 Feb 2018, 16:43#5
I’d much rather have batsmen in the team that score runs. Amla scored at a srike rate of 82. Let me remind you of what you said about opening strike rates: ‘ By the way De Kock strike rate was 77.8 out of a hundred and that is always good enough for an opener. Have you watched the game or are you always a prejudiced stooge.‘ Of course you even got that wrong his strike rate was 69. Schplotttttsky!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Feb 2018, 17:58
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11 Feb 2018, 17:58#6

It is always difficult to discuss issues with a person totally clueless when it comes to such discussions.   So lets look at the situation as to Amla.  He scored 72 runs in 4 ODI's at an average of 18 runs per innings,  If that is what you call a player who scores runs you are kidding yourself.    And his run rate was slow in all of those ODI's  and he was what one would call a lower order batsman as well.

In ODI's the rate of scoring runs determine the winner in high-scoring ODI's and when that was insufficient teams normally lose.

So since when is the run rate of Amla higher than that of De Kock - go to cricinfo and check the figures.   However, De Kock did not play yesterday so your reference to him is that of a simpleton.    

So toe soos 'n klei-os se gat        

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Feb 2018, 18:29
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11 Feb 2018, 18:29#7
Yesterday Tokkie. This string is about yesterday, when Amla scored faster than the 69 strike rate for de Kock which you said ‘ is always good enough for an opener’ Your words Tokkie, not mine....game, set and match....you old poofter.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Feb 2018, 22:14
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11 Feb 2018, 22:14#8

Mozart

It is only an illiterate in any code of sport that uses  a single incident  or match to determine the career performance of sportsmen.   Open your eyes and see reality.

Take for instance Amla.   In three ODI's he scored only about 70% of the runs scored by De Kock and only in the fourth match did he get past De Kock's score.   If De kiock played in all four ODI's he may have recovered form  so your reference to him in the above situation is that of a sick and prejudiced mind.

By the way who is that Claasens you used in the heading of this thread,    There was no Claasens for the Proteas yesterday,       

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Feb 2018, 22:35
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11 Feb 2018, 22:35#9
He ‘may have recovered’.....say no more.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Feb 2018, 23:02
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11 Feb 2018, 23:02#10

Who is that player Claasens?  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Feb 2018, 23:26
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11 Feb 2018, 23:26#11
Who is “Hilary”. .......who is de Kiock?
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
11 Feb 2018, 23:42
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11 Feb 2018, 23:42#12
Mike your spelling and grammer is terrible. All Moz really did was compliment the win. Why are you attacking him? @mike, if Klaasen is consistent, I'd love to see him in the middle order consistently. Apparently he is also a decent off spinner too, so he and QdK could make the run on side. QdK is just having a slight dip in form. I'm confident he will be back to his best soon. I feel that this injury could be a blessing in disguise. It gives him some time to get back to his best before the Aussies get here.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2018, 09:13
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12 Feb 2018, 09:13#13
Chippo
I am going for Mozart because of a misrepresentation  in his original post,   Who for instance are the weak links he is referring to?    
Anyway Chippo  lets leave that one out.   He is just too predictable in what he posts and always repeating the same issues and players.
I agree with you though about the De Kock issue,   There are to my mind a number of players to be considered for replacement purposes in future.   I think they should bring in Erwee of the Dolphins into the T20 team and see how he fits in.   Klaasen looks good as well - so he should also be in the T20 squad.   He should be considered ahead of Duniny who seems to have lost the plot on international level.
Whether we like it or not the coach is right in this case.   AB, Faf and Amla will not play international cricket after 2019 and he should start looking at potential replacements.   Of the three I m beginning to have doubts about Amla - he is not the player he used to be even last year and may even not last till 2019.
As to the younger crop of players there are a few that should be considered in future,   There are three players that made the Under 19 WC top squad - they being Van Tonder (the captain), Makwetla and Coetzee - a 17 year old already bowling at 140 kph.   The y should also be phased in sooner rather than later - otherwise we can lose them in the process like happened to Dawid Malan who is now a key batsman in the English team.  
I would say that the core team in future (after 2019) will be built around the following batsmen -
Markram, De Kock, Erwee, Klaasen, Van Tonder, Makwetla, Rabada, Ngidi and Coetzee
The key would be to phase them in gradually over the period before the next WC - with Coetzee being taken up afterwards.
Mozart will hate renewal and the attacks would probably follow.        

 
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Feb 2018, 09:50
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12 Feb 2018, 09:50#14

Hopefully now that they see these spinners are nothing special they'll stop giving them so much respect. 

Stand tall and hit them back over their heads. Letting a spinner dictate to you is never gonna help you get runs. 

Line them up and hammer them seems to be the only option. And not a bad idea considering these guys get hardly any turn. Treat them like a slow bowler and play positively from the front foot.

Duminy needs to let loose. He knows how to hit spinners too. 

PS I can't seem Amla getting many more runs in this series. He should take a rest and get ready for the OZ tests where I think he'll do well again.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2018, 10:55
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12 Feb 2018, 10:55#15

Plum 

To keep on defending against bowlers is similar to kicking balls away aimlessly in rugby/   Sooner or later the batsman is going to miss a ball and he is out.   Some players like Kallis developed defending to a fine art = others are not equally successful in that. 

Be it as it may - it is better not to get stuck in the crease when spinners are bowling - it is better to attack than defend against them.   

I think that the new potential players like Erwee and Klaasen should be given the opportunity to play in the T20 series against the Indians.    

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Feb 2018, 11:55
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12 Feb 2018, 11:55#16

@ Mike, especially these spinners. They hardly turn the ball. Its like our batters are playing for huge spin and then getting done by flight.

I say, play strong and hard off the front foot, force them to bowl shorter and than pull and cut them to all corners. This is not India where the ball doesn't bounce. Getting the ball to pass the batter at knee height is much more difficult for spinners here than in India. We are allowing them to bowl the same here as on the Inidan tracks. 

Klaasen showed this the other day. He swept well off the front foot and then as soon as they were short he showed how much time there was to hammer them.



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