Okay, so Clever Mike has been smearing the same lie on a few threads about me saying Folau is a substandard player. I asked him to prove it but he won't, yet he continues with the same lie. Here's the conversation we had and how it started etc.
Posted by: clevermike (30515 posts)
Jul 01, 2018, 19:02
Lurker
Let me explain a few things - an aimless kick where it involves just handing over possession to the opposing team. It is where kicks cannot be followed up effectively and poorly directed - ie straight into the hands of a waiting recipient.
There are two types of kicks that are acceptable, namely -
* strategic kicks being part of an attack strategy eg dribble kicks near the opposition try-line and cross kicks.
* relieving kicks - but they must be so directed that a quick throw-in is not possible.
Posted by: Lurker (55 posts)
Jul 01, 2018, 19:51
In 2013 South Africa kicked at Folau because he couldn't kick. So he got pinned back and had to to concede penalties. In 2014 they did a similar thing and Folau tried to kick it out but gave the Boks lineouts in and near the Australian 22. Effective kicks depend on numerous things. A good press and chase means the ball carrier has few options and is under pressure. Pressure leads to errors. I
Posted by: clevermike (30515 posts)
Jul 02, 2018, 04:56
Lurker
Beware of making sweeping statements, Folau is the most dangerous player in the world to kick balls at - he is the most effective high kick catcher ever and a continuous threat when it comes to counter-attacks. I have never seen his alleged poor kicking ability,
Posted by: Lurker (55 posts)
Jul 02, 2018, 06:26
"Be careful of making sweeping statements"
"Morne was probably the worst 10 South Africa ever had"
I know I've been guilty of being angry with him at times. He really had a difficult 2012 and got dropped but worst ever? Defenders ignored him? Nobody ignores a 10 all game. Folau did contribute to the Boks victory. Catching the high ball is one thing, doing something with it is another. He was useless running it back from deep and getting turned over. On one occasion a try resulted from him being trapped and his teammates being desperate to relieve pressure made errors. In 2014 he continually fluffed kicks and the Bok had close in line outs that gave their maul a platform to build pressure. You are denying facts. Being dishonest. This is what I asked you not to do in my first post.
Posted by: clevermike (30515 posts)
Jul 02, 2018, 06:59
The full back recognized as the best in the world at present is criticized by you and Morne never attacking the gain line and was ignored by defenders is real, He was always standing too deep in the pocket and to be effective and his kicking game was a farce.
So I followed up by posting a match report that of the 2013 test that showed I wasn't lying and Clever Mike used that to say I was trying to attack Folau on a personal level. Which in my view is pretty sick thing to do.
Here's the thread of the full discussion: https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/rugby/jake-white-on-coaching/26507/
