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Clubs in danger of going into administration

Started by becs22 REPLIES924 VIEWS· 22 Aug 2022, 20:39
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becsPro4,378 posts
22 Aug 2022, 20:40
#1
22 Aug 2022, 20:40#1

As I’ve said to you all a number of times, the monetary situation for a lot of the Premiership Clubs is pretty perilous. 

Now we have both Wasps and Worcester in danger of folding with huge HMRC debts. 

Players at Worcester have not been being paid and there is a real concern that, if the Clubs do collapse, a very large number of players will be without Clubs at the start of the Season. 


CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
22 Aug 2022, 20:42
#2
22 Aug 2022, 20:42#2

Might be good news foe southern hemisphere nations as our players might stay put for longer

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
22 Aug 2022, 20:49
#3
22 Aug 2022, 20:49#3

That would be good news for us too ! More homegrown players being employed for a change. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Aug 2022, 21:03
#4
22 Aug 2022, 21:03#4

If more homegrown players are employed and started, you can also then say it's a true ENG, SA, AB etc....Team and Strength.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Aug 2022, 21:04
#5
22 Aug 2022, 21:04#5

If more homegrown players are employed and started, you can also then say it's a true ENG, SA, AB etc....Team and Strength.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Aug 2022, 21:04
#6
22 Aug 2022, 21:04#6

If more homegrown players are employed and started, you can also then say it's a true ENG, SA, AB etc....Team and Strength.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Aug 2022, 21:04
#7
22 Aug 2022, 21:04#7

If more homegrown players are employed and started, you can also then say it's a true ENG, SA, AB etc....Team and Strength.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Aug 2022, 21:04
#8
22 Aug 2022, 21:04#8

If more homegrown players are employed and started, you can also then say it's a true ENG, SA, AB etc....Team and Strength.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Aug 2022, 21:07
#9
22 Aug 2022, 21:07#9

Oops...

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Aug 2022, 21:44
#10
22 Aug 2022, 21:44#10

Maybe they should manage their resources better...

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
22 Aug 2022, 23:56
#11
22 Aug 2022, 23:56#11

Bath gets by with a smaller ground of 8 000 capacity. Where as Wasp decided to leave London for a bigger stadium. They also created a lot debt more than 5 years ago and tried to force rugby in Coventry when the Midlands are already saturated. It is their own demise and that is how it works in professional sport. 

Worcestershire Has their stadium in the middle of nowhere and no real support base either. Again, tried to by success by paying for talent. No real academy or grass roots structures. 

Their are other clubs in the lower leagues that could develop to take over , but there is a massive gap between the two sides. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
23 Aug 2022, 02:17
#12
23 Aug 2022, 02:17#12
Maybe the sales buy price caps will help?

It seems many of these big sports organisations are just toys for a billionaire, before they get bored of it. Then they abandon it, and suddenly the club has no money. 
Sometimes they are not ever worried about profit, and just want a short-term winning team. 
Perhaps salary caps will prevent the Toulon style of team that is just about paying a high short-term salary. 
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
23 Aug 2022, 12:34
#13
23 Aug 2022, 12:34#13

With the massive wealth transfer happening from the North to the South in order to support SA rugby, this is expected.


Globalists will sacrifice european clubs in order to make room for SA rugby.

Not possible for northern rugbys to keep a heavy passenger like SA rugby without suffering big consequences.

This wont prevent SA rugby from collapsing. In the meantime, though, northern clubs will have been sacrificed in a desesperate attempt to bail SA rugby out of their misery.

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becsPro4,378 posts
23 Aug 2022, 16:33
#14
23 Aug 2022, 16:33#14

Well, two more Clubs are allegedly under investigation; one up North and the other in the West Country. 

Worcester Academy have just had their house repossessed. The owners are just using different companies to buy up Worcester RFC property at a bargain price, presumably in order to sell it off for housing at a massively inflated price. Absolutely awful. 

As for Bath, they are hanging on by the skin of their teeth. Craig and Dyson can’t keep losing money indefinitely. 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
23 Aug 2022, 18:04
#15
23 Aug 2022, 18:04#15

Rugby is probably not that profitable like in Football. You have a high player attrition. The season is very long, player wages have gone up and then have to compete with French clubs whose budget a years is something like £20 million. 

Then you have the sponsors and fans. Not even sure what TV right looks like for premiership games these days and which clubs have the biggest fan base. 

They just released the URC numbers, the Stormers, Sharks, Bulls, Munster, Ulster and even Scarlets are drawing huge TV number. 300 000 + per game. 

I use to work for Sky and had access to all the TV subscriptions. 100k viewers are massive for broadcasting. 

French model is artificial, Australia can't draw enough people, NZ and Ireland seem to have gotten it right with their national and franchise model. The RFU makes huge amount of money, but they are not going to take that revenue and pump it back into the clubs to give them a lifeline, but rugby in England needs to shift away from clubs. 

Maybe form 6 super teams, but not sure how you bring teams like bath and Gloucester together nor how you can bring Northampton and Leicester together. 

Where in SA we had 14 provinces, now down to maybe  7 pro and 7 semi pro. 

The only full contact sport that has huge amount of money is the NFL, short 5 month season. Less is more, there are plenty of games to keep the fans happy. I know that the college football is huge. Michigan draw in 100k fans to the stadiums, they start early before the proper NFL. 

So even though the NFL is only 5 months there are at least 8 months of football, not to mention all the hype that goes on before the season kicks off. 

Not sure why we are not following their model instead thinking we can compete with football

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becsPro4,378 posts
23 Aug 2022, 20:31
#16
23 Aug 2022, 20:31#16

No, we’re not going down the franchise route, I’m afraid. That is not a model English teams need nor want. 

Wages are too high and some owners are simply using the Clubs, like the Glazers at Man U. It shouldn’t be allowed. 

Clubs like Worcs have been built from the ground up by owners who are fans first and foremost. When owners sadly die, or move on, they are left with the new breed who want to squeeze every penny from the Club before bailing out when things go badly wrong. 

Covid has played a part in causing financial difficulties for all of the Clubs, but greed and mismanagement has caused the majority of the problems. 

HMRC does not usually mess around when people owe them money. They should not act differently in these instances. Worcs allegedly owes £6 million. 

As for tv, BT Sport shows the club games here. They show 3 Prem games weekly. A new company, PRTV, now shows the matches BT aren’t showing. Both are subscription only, BT costing £15 per month, PRTV charge £99 per season or you can book matches on a day pass. 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
24 Aug 2022, 12:56
#17
24 Aug 2022, 12:56#17

Maybe form 6 super teams, but not sure how you bring teams like bath and Gloucester together nor how you can bring Northampton and Leicester together.


Globalistic speech. Clubs are attached to towns, cities, villages, hamlets, all of them having centuries of history. Each of them have local history.

Europe is not yet an artificial place as SA, the product of globalization, is.

The worm is in the apple with SA rugby now involved.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
24 Aug 2022, 13:01
#18
24 Aug 2022, 13:01#18

They just released the URC numbers, the Stormers, Sharks, Bulls, Munster, Ulster and even Scarlets are drawing huge TV number. 300 000 + per game.


Any number about other leagues.

Beside, what about the subscription fee paid per viewer...

As it was foretold, the inclusion of SA rugby has not been and will not be done in the favour of the North hemisphere.

It will come at the expense of the North, in a futile attempt to prove that rugby in SA can be something else than an association with the Apartheid.

Costy delusion. It is enough to come on this board to perceive it can not be.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Aug 2022, 20:06
#19
24 Aug 2022, 20:06#19

SALTY-Trad is a whingeing away at the Saffas...

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
25 Aug 2022, 13:07
#20
25 Aug 2022, 13:07#20

Wages are too high

Wages are inflated for various causes.

One main cause is the rule that forces clubs to release players at the clubs' expenses.

Added to that, in the case of SA rugby, this is used to transfer wealth from the North to them in order to provide life support.

The world of rugby keeps pursueing their dream that rugby could be something else than an association with the Apartheid regime. They want to cleanse the taint.

As a result, SA rugby usually are overpaid (when compared to similar players) One trick used to try and bait SA local population. Making it in rugby means mucho dinero.

After monitoring the situation for a few years, SA rugby team players are expensive to their clubs, they are overpaid and dismiss their club duties (the club being the one paying the wage)

They do not play many games for their clubs.

Dressing rooms speak. Players know how much each of them earns. Considering the low contribution from SA players, other players get their agent to push up for a rise.

This wont get better when SA rugby join the 6Ns. This will withdraw players for one game more and several weeks more once factored in the rest period.

As the now 7Ns will be extended to 8Ns to include a country like Georgia ( a move that will be depicted as a measure to get the introduction of an African nation into a normally and traditionally European competiton accepted), this will make the situation worse and worse.

If that was not enough, it also is possible that SA rugby keep participating to the rugby championship while joining the 6Ns.

Northern clubs are taking several for the team. Except there is no team.

Eventually, all that jazz wont prevent SA rugby from collapsing.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
25 Aug 2022, 13:17
#21
25 Aug 2022, 13:17#21

French model is artificial,

Still no figures about viewership, about tv fees etc

Shame has left the shores of SA if one believes the behaviour of SA rugby supporters.

Depicting french rugby model as artificial is baffling. It stuns.

Coming from a zone of the world that set up a tournament like the Championship.

Coming from a country that is panhandling to the North to get an access to the market in order to allow a select few to flee a boat they have sunk.

SA rugby have forced their way into a competition that started as a competition between Celtic nations, to be later expanded to Italy.

How artificial a Celtic Italian African competition is.

SA rugby are forcing their way in the 6ns, to make it an African European competition.

How artificial this is going to be.

No shame in SA. As an AR player summed it up, this is a good day to drive a car to knock over quota people.

There is nothing to be saved from SA rugby.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 Aug 2022, 07:53
#22
26 Aug 2022, 07:53#22

That's not good news for South African white talent.

They're not wanted here and having issues in the UK would seriously hurt their careers. 

Coming home isn't an option.

The UK is falling apart at a rapid rate. WTF!!



TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
26 Aug 2022, 12:58
#23
26 Aug 2022, 12:58#23

No future for SA rugby... Well, where could this be read, one wonders.

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