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Coenie, Kolisi, Goosen & JJ

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
02 Aug 2014, 18:22
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02 Aug 2014, 18:22#1

Coenie Oosthuizen: 

He gets worse at scrumming each match. His performance at loosehead for the Boks in the last test was the final admission by the Boks management team that he is not a tight head. 

Coenie then delivered his worst ever scrumming performance at loose head in perhaps his last test a as a Springbok..

Unfortunately it seems that his neck injuries are getting the better of him. Not sure if is more physical or mental. His play outside of the scrum has also declined so this is not enough to persist with his poor scrumming. 

He needs to consider a switch to hooker if it will be better for his neck. With Strauss gone the Cheetas will be needing a new hooker.


Siya Kolisi- totally out of form. Although his work rate has never been great and it is debatable if he should have ever got a Bok cap in the first place. No longer even a starting player at SuperX level. What he does in the match is good, it is just he does not do much. 
Johan Goosen - Like Coenie it seems that injury has gotten the better of him. He still has the potential to be a Springbok great. He just needs to play without getting injured to build his confidence in contact. Perhaps as he gets older he will get stronger and be more durable. 
He has become a link player to avoid contact. He rarely takes the ball at full speed hitting the advantage line like in 2012. His cameo at fullback for the Cheetas showed how good he is on attack in space. He has the speed and running skill of a wing/fullback and the passing skills of a scrumhalf. He just lacks the physical ability to run the ball from the flyhalf channel.
JJ Engelbrecht was allways a wing playing out of position.  A contracted Springbok player that is not even in the squad. His best attribute was getting the ball in space where he could use his pace on attack. Perhaps he could improve with better backline coaching. He played the invisibale man on attack in 2014 for the Bulls. He has not physical presence in contact over the advantage line.On defense his positional play is not great and his tacking technique is too high. He seems scared to make tackles. 
The was "best prospect" since Danie Gerber at 13 that Fat Dave has identified, is not even a starter at curry cup level these days. He could find himself on Ebay before he knows it- to release budget for the Bulls next signings. He could be following his good friend Sadie as part of the Bulls shit list sooner than later.
Zane KircherThankfully he has been dropped. Their only seems to be one specialist fullback in the squad in Willie Leroux. Gi ven their is 3 flyhalfs in the squad, it would appear Bambie is covering 15. I think Lambie should consider going back to 15 where most of his best performances have been. 

GT
Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
02 Aug 2014, 18:35
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02 Aug 2014, 18:35#2
 Agreed on JJ and Kolisi. But Goosen needs to catch u to all the hype and be a good player first. He isnt anything like the fanboys said he was. Man I was so ahead of the curve on this one, I feel for the Pienaar at 10 hype but never a second time. Coenie will be fired up for the Boks but more an impactplayer. once you injure your neck or back you will always be prone to injuring it again. juzz the way the cookie crumbles. speaking of cookies, did you say dave is fat? is this him?


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Aug 2014, 18:57
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02 Aug 2014, 18:57#3
 It became evident fairly early in ths Super 15 that the experiment re JJ at center wasnt working. However I am again disappointed in Meyer for not having the nous to pick him on the wing. I think he has what it takes to be a odd international wing and he can at apush cover center as well. Useful bench player. 
It was plain for all to see that Coenie was getting nowhere come scrum side.
Meyer has correctly left the talented Goosen out. He need a season or two to harden up but he is just a kid and time is on his side.
Kolisi has been hopeless. Now we have Mohoje selected on a wing and a prayer. He does look a bit better than Kolisi but hardly deserved selection. 



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2014, 19:03
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02 Aug 2014, 19:03#4
 Sharkbok
I think that you have summed up the Coeni eissue very well.  Neck injuries must have a detrimental psychological impact - the same happened with Van Biljon years ago.  A top player before his neck injury and never the same afterwards. 
There is one problem which JJ shares with players like Francois Steyn and that is the idiocy to run straight at the first defender without any play making ability - ie drawing in defenders to create space and deficient off-loading/passing.  The problem is that he is NOT a ball sense player,  His defense has improved this year - but evaluating his actual tackles - they are not the best around.  I think he has speed in abundance and should play on the wing - he is NOT a center.
Siya Kolisi did not even make the Stormners starting line up this year.  I said already last year when he was included in teh squad that he is NOT up to standard and think that he is not bringin enough to the party.
Goosen is younge and playing in Europe will prove that he in fact is a much better player than Morne evr was and will be.
Meyer is to my mind too interested n the players he is acquainted  with from the past Bulls set up and there are at least 4 players that should never have made the squad. .       
GT
Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
02 Aug 2014, 19:08
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02 Aug 2014, 19:08#5
 you ding dong billabong, 12 is supposed to engage the defensive line HEAD ON to tie up the defence and et up phases. You cant compare a 12 with a 13. My God you are so biased, its like some kind of death cult you are so zoned in on this.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Aug 2014, 21:08
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02 Aug 2014, 21:08#6
 Bonzo the Ape
That is lunacy - no player is supposed to run straight at the first defender and go down harmlessly with the ball - hoping that fellow players will be able to recover the tackle ball.    That may have been the thinking in the Bulls environment - in any other place in the world it is regarded as lunacy.   No wonder the Springbok backline in 2012 was so grrossly inadequate.  
The ideal situation for a 12 is to run a line that would potentially draw in 2 defenders and off-load the ball at the right time.   Running straight a the first defender means crashballing and that is the worst thing any center can do - in other words kill the ball and any potential further usage of it.    
To do that all the time and hog the ball and being predictable in doing that is crazy.
A 13 running straight at the first defender and mindlessly go down with the ball - is the same as a 12 playing the same crazy game.  
There is no prejudice here - it is just common sense and if you listen to what experts say on the issue - that is what you will hear.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2014, 21:37
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02 Aug 2014, 21:37#7

Mike let your chickens do the talking...they would make more sense.

 

Well in addition to Coenie, Kolisi, Goosen and JJ being dropped....Lewies and the utterly hopeless Marcel van der Merwe suffer the same fate. And Engelbrecht and Labuschgne are left outside. I take some credit for spotting all this way ahead of time.

 

Pity about Brits, Lambie and Reinach. But I suspect if Lambie sees duty it will be at fullback, given Pollard and Morne are in. And Reinach is third behind Pienaar and similarly hopeless at scrummie...Hougaard. While Brits will never get onto the field, past  Bismarck and Strauss.

 

 

It must be a cold day for the squatter in the Norwich pondokkie. OOm is already posting his dirge s of defeat.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Aug 2014, 22:06
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02 Aug 2014, 22:06#8
Goosen will be back when he has physically matured. France could do him alot of good. JJ hopefully will move to wing and will be back. 
Marcell could easily have been in before Steenkamp. Lets see how Steenkamp goes. It's unfortunately looking bad for Coenie. Someone suggested he debulk and change to hooker. He is very good outside the scrum and with his speed up a bit it could work

One thing for sure - apart from wee matfiled who has fooled many for years - weak players will be found out in the RC. How one sympathises with the other tight 4 players.WAKE UP MEYER AND GET RID OF THE SHOW PONY! 
matfiled I appeal to you to do us all a favour and hang up your boots. You are weakening our tight 5 and jeopardising our RC chances.Now watch some mole appear here as victor!!
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2014, 23:11
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02 Aug 2014, 23:11#9
No Goosen won't  be back...he doesn't have the ticker. Nor does JJ, you could put him on the wing, you can make him the ice cream seller, he would bottle out. 
Steenkamp destroyed the hair bear, Marcel was struggling against the Lions and the Rebs. Nope nothing there. If any young prop should have been there it was du Toit.
As for Matfield, I'f the Sharks had him on board last week instead of Lewies, they might have made a game of it. 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
02 Aug 2014, 23:14
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02 Aug 2014, 23:14#10
 Well what do you know?  The same clown who has been trying to convince me that the Top14 is below CC level is suddenly believing that Glaasen will prove his superiority over Morne in that very same low  level competition. Amazing. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2014, 23:20
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02 Aug 2014, 23:20#11
You look at Pollard vs Goosen....you look at Du Toit vs Marcel. In the first instances you have very young players who want to win the battle. In the second instances you have young chaps who survive on excuses. Goosen will be hung around our necks for the next 7 years as the unfulfilled genius....it's a pain....but eventually  these non combatant types fade away.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Aug 2014, 23:26
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02 Aug 2014, 23:26#12
 The early mail is saying that JJ has been left out of the squad and that Pollard will be Meyer's first choice flyhalf. One giant step for Rugby South Africa but I wish he'd drop a few more.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Aug 2014, 00:03
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03 Aug 2014, 00:03#13
 Dr Mozzzzz you tend to ignore the fact that young players can improve. Goosen played pretty well this season and will only get better. Far too early tto be writing him off. Certainly his French club paid to get him.
JJ will be fine at wing as he was before he moved to center. That much is obvious.
Marcell is a good prospect and hence his call up by Meyer. At 23 he has by no means reached his prime. Again far too early to write off. Yes the 19 year old Du Toit is a really great prospect and should still be playing for WP. Another terrible blunder by WP.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Aug 2014, 01:26
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03 Aug 2014, 01:26#14
 MozartAs per normkl you do not know what you are talking about rugby-wise.  As for Matfield - any scrummie will just push him away - he is physically not strong enough to play rugby anymore.   Hope Meyer is not mad enough to start with him in games - he is not up to standard.  
As to Steenkamp - if he is that good he would be in the starting line-up of Toulouse.     Du Toit would have been a ten times better option than this fat and useless one.   
The pain is bigger with Morne - he has been around fir years and is still a useless pivot for the backline.   If he was any good - why is he the second tier flyhalf of Stade Francais.   One thing you can be sure of Goosen won't be the second tier flyhalf of Racing Metro - a much better team in any event.   He will be tops and he will be much sought after.  Remember Racing Metro was the team that had Fransie on contract and did not renew his contract because he did not meet their requirements anymore.   Funny one that - not so?  
Pity about the list of useless has beens and never hasbeens still in the squad.   They a re getting fewer - but there is still too many of them.   


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Aug 2014, 01:41
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03 Aug 2014, 01:41#15
Uh oh it's the twilight zone again.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Aug 2014, 07:53
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03 Aug 2014, 07:53#16
 Facts are clear as daylight.  The twilight zone is when players who are really not up to standard is held up as being the best options in their various positions.
Morne, Matfield and Alberts - what a joke in bad taste.   WAAAHAAAAAAAA    
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