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Coetzee is the future

Started by Beeno17 REPLIES270 VIEWS· 07 Jun 2012, 10:27
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jun 2012, 10:27
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07 Jun 2012, 10:27#1

RYAN VREDE of Keo writes Marcell Coetzee is the natural successor to Schalk Burger, with Heinrich Brussow’s limitations as an openside seeing his Test future hanging in the balance. .

Coetzee is the real deal. You get a sense about these things when you’ve seen enough impostors to know the difference. I remember being awed watching an 18-year-old Frans Steyn’s performance in torrential rain at Kings Park for the Sharks against Western Province in 2006. Coetzee has had me incredulous at times this season in the same way Steyn did six years ago and indeed as other players of their ilk have. They are a class apart, born not only to play Test rugby, but excel in elevated company.

Schalk Burger will be remembered as one of the great Springboks in history when he retires (Apart from a few loonies who think otherwise!!! Think sapster of course!! Bwahahahahaha). There were concerns about the void the 29-year-old will leave when his battle-battered body eventually betrays him. And it will. Burger only has one gear – over-drive – and knowing nothing else but absolute commitment to the cause, he has scant regard for his longevity in the game. The South African rugby fraternity can take heart that in Coetzee there is a successor of immense quality.

Three years ago Brussow announced himself on the Test stage by tormenting the British & Irish Lions, and his value endured to the point where it was largely accepted that his injury-enforced early exit from the World Cup quarter-final was central to the Springboks’ defeat. But that was a time when a greater contest was allowed and under a coaching staff that overlooked Brussow’s relatively diminutive constitution because of the asset he was on the ground. (Not quite true its bery hard to bea thands in ruck which Pocock effected a number o ftime sright in front of ou brycy lawrence - nz ref of the year. Indeed the loss can be levied soley at the feet of BL who delivered perhaps the most disgraceful display of reffing ever seen at test level))

But Brussow’s future now looks bleak for a number of reasons. Future changes to the breakdown laws will increasingly favour the attacking team, gradually eroding the importance and value of a specialist fetcher (already statistically in 2012 Brussow has stolen nearly as many balls as penalties conceded)(Please note all you stats gurus). Indeed, Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer believes the laws that govern that facet of play already demand the selection of an openside flanker adept at contesting the breakdown in a bid to slow or turnover possession, as he is at carrying the ball, while having the height to be a lineout option is a bonus. (This Dr Mozzzzzzz is Meyers issue NOT size which you are harping on!!! Size may well matter in the debate but if Brussouw could outdo Coetzee in these three arears then it would not be a size issue. I.e. Brussouw is not being ruled out because of size but because of perceived performance Otherwise why Daniles?)  - now I ask you who warned of this as long ago as last season!! Beeno of course. Take another bow Beebo!!! Hahahahhahahaha)

Coetzee ticks all those boxes, Brussow two at a push. Undoubtedly the Cheetahs man is a competent carrier, but Coetzee has shown himself to be a greater force, his muscular, 106kg frame better equipping him than Brussow’s stocky 100kg does in this regard. Both possess a high degree of mongrel (a key ingredient that a physical god like Pierre Spies lacks and which accounts primarily for his inability to consistently boss the tackle fight)(Very succenctly put spies has shown thus far he does not have the heart of a great forward) but Coetzee’s aforementioned physical superiority amplifies his threat.

Coetzee, who started his career as a No 8 and later moved to blindside flank, readily admits he isn’t close to Brussow in terms of his contesting skills. But Meyer, who believes Coetzee will become a ‘superstar’ at openside, doesn’t care. He offers a multi-faceted threat that Brussow doesn’t (by Meyer’s standards), and, given he is close to his physical ceiling, probably never will.

The best Brussow can hope for now is a role as an impact player. Coetzee may have to bide his time when Burger returns from injury, but he is the future.

Pretty good article and I do hope Dr Moz now fully appreciates the issues.

I feel for Brussouw because he has the heart of a great forward and nobody can question his commitment. I do think he should have  made the sqaud and should have been on the bench.  The return of Schalk and Duane will make the competition at loose forward white hot for ALL concerned.

Another player who had better get in top shape is Bekker. At his best a fine package but here we have Quinn Roux emmerging as a superstar. All great for Bok rugby.

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
07 Jun 2012, 10:55
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07 Jun 2012, 10:55#2

Bean Brain , you know i hang off your every word but you need to stop writing in boldtype all the time buddy if you want anyone to read your infinite pearls of wisdom. We all know your a veritable encyclopaedia of knowledge about bok rugby. Perhaps a book and i'm sure it will be jumping off the shelves..haha like what i did there mate ...

Good luck against that british bulldog. At least you've got the perfect excuse if the Boks lose being so few Stormers being included in the test team. Looking forward to the Irish trying to beat the ABs for the first time too.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jun 2012, 11:56
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07 Jun 2012, 11:56#3

Brcya few point. Firstly its hang on my every word. nex tre the bold type - you wouldnt know this as you do not use the bold function due t o a singular lack of pearls!!  But if you did you would realise there is a problem with the system and one arrives at a point where you cant turn it off. Bwahahahahaha

I like to highlight issues as some oaks go off on at a tangent regulary and als obecasue they do need to grasp the pointhe writer is making - esepcially when it is confirming my view of course.

The Stormers missing from the team are Schalk and Duane. I believe though the team is nevertheless good enough to beat the poms. My major concern is the lack of preparation time and match practice - here we are at a huge disadvantage. As alway the ref needs to be competent and fair  - ie not another BL please!!! - and never discount a bit of luck BL. A rugby ball can bounce badly and a  suden little gust of wind can cause a penalty to go astray.

I think you guys should take the Irish but you do have some old timers creaking at the joints  - I have not yet seen the ab side selected. Oz should bounce back and restore order against the Scots.

If I am wrong Lady Becs will no doubt let me know!! Hahhahahahaha

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2012, 16:45
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08 Jun 2012, 16:45#4

This is exactly the sort of pablum that confuses coaches and fans alike. Coetzee is a terrific young player with a lot of smarts. When I rated the top 5 young SA prospects a few weeks back I had Marcel on the list. I did, however, have a caution.....which was, we need to see if he has the unique physical equipment to really impose himself in tests. Last week against the lowly Lions he was totally outplayed by Minnie.....I took note.

 

So while I buy the tall lineout option first mooted by Jake....I'm not yet sure this kid can mix it up with the ABs. We will have to see.

 

What we do know is a fully fit Brussouw can be a devastating player, And we also know the Boks without a fetcher, up against the likes of Pocock, can be very handicapped. As we were in the RWCQF after Brussouw got hurt.

 

I hear lots of victory being declared about the younger players before they have played a test....an old Saffa disease.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jun 2012, 16:55
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08 Jun 2012, 16:55#5

How did Minnie outplay him?

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
08 Jun 2012, 17:16
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08 Jun 2012, 17:16#6

Coetzee will suffer the same fate as Louw did in 2010; too much hype and too little perspective. I predict he will be shown up in the TNs and given that Australia now have both Hooper and Pocock, and Argentina are very capable of exerting breakdown dominance over all three Super powers, it could backfire... badly, ala 2010. The breakdown is where the game is won and lost. This is the only facet of play that matters. Why else would New Zealand use so many illegal tactics to gain an edge at the breakdown if this were not so? Brussow has been in terrific form, and in a pack that lacks a hard edge. Notice how he performa when the Cheetahs have their backs to the wall. Something that most struck me was how he haults opposition attacking momentum, even if he doesn't actually make the steal. Quite often though he will pinch key ball while the opposition are ploughing through the Cheetah's defence. He has been doing this for the Boks consistently. Factor in his speed, exellent hands and superb defence and you see what we lose. Our loose trio just isn't balanced. Alberts is a poor carrier, Spies a poor carrier and Coetzee selected on a whim. I don't like where this is headed at all.

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clevermike.Club Pro177 posts
08 Jun 2012, 17:36
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08 Jun 2012, 17:36#7

@aristocrat

You are really getting on my nerves today!

Didn't you sleep properly last night? Was your bunk without a pillow?

Comparing Coetzee to Louw would be like comparing a Humvee to a starving hunch-back-camel!

Coetzee is a lot more dynamic as a player than Louw was.

Louw was too cumbersome for the Boks. He was largely like an undersized lock. Not quick enough to breakdown and not very effective as a runner. He looked like he too lacke2d sleep when he played for the Boks. Ill give it to him... he did well in the World Cup... but no, not in the same class as Coetzee!

 

Coetzee = Man of steel. Just his persona reeks of steel! I think in years to come he will become a legend (in my opinion). His tackle count is enourmous. He is a great linker and runs like a bull on steroids!

 

I dont think there is much comparison.

 

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
08 Jun 2012, 17:44
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08 Jun 2012, 17:44#8

Well, the entire Shark's forward troupe have been anything but made of steel this year. The worst defence in the competition these guppies. Coetzee is no Bok, and this loose trio is a disaster.

Added to this, I was not making a direct comparison between the two players; hence why I made NO comparison at all. Please read before posting.

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