Coetzee is worse than I thought

Watching that game live from a vantage point above gave me and even clearer indication of just how devoid of the basics Coetzee is as a coach. The fact that he thought he could out muscle a side in this day and age is a joke in itself, so we ended up with two donkies at 6 and 7 and wondered why we got exposed?

Not to mention the fact that everytime we got the ball, we either targeted the opposition and ran straight into them with a view to setting up the next phase and creating space out wide…….that might work if your 9 is not as pedestrian at Paige is and actually gets to the breakdown quickly and provides a crisp service as the likes of Faf, Smith and Phipps do.

If it was not heading straight into traffic, our backs first instinct was to kick……Paige with his useless box kicks, Lambie, de Allende, Venter and Willie all had pathetic attempts at attacking via the boot, why oh why?

We are how many games into the Coetzee reign and he has learnt nothing……..under him class acts like Jantjies, Faf, Lambie, de Allende, Mapoe and the likes of reduced to robots……witness the Combrink entry to test level only to be left flat footed a few weeks later.

Coetzee supresses players natural instinct to play the modern way……Lions players who were expressive and dynamic are drawn into the crash bash way or kick for territory way for that’s how Coetzee plays it.

As for our defensive structures, they are non-existent……the ease with which the Poms created space and numbers out wide was embarrassing........it was basic stuff, expose the donkies who were our flanks, use the blind side wing as a decoy, simple loop arounds and space was created with ease.

On attack when we did run it, it was u13 stuff……pass the ball down the line with the wide receiver being bundled into touch with ease

I see Moz is banging on about the youngsters again…….what a load of utter shit…….no matter which player plays under Coetzee nothing will change…….suddenly Lood is crap, Beast is better than Kitshoff etc……bullshit

It has stuff all to do with the players and everything to do with the coach and his conservative direction…….look no further than what Eddie Jones has done with England…….he is using 95% of the players Lancaster used, but empowered them to be expressive and play the modern way. Suddenly these same players written off under Lancaster are looking like world beaters under Eddie

It’s that simple…….Coetzee simply has to be fired. Meyer was poor but Coetzee is 100 times worse.

I was embarrassed to be a Bok supporter of Saturday

The only player who stood tall was Goosen – I get the impression he came on and decided to play it his way as he had nothing to lose…….he added zip when it was too late

Pakie you are speaking utter [removed] re Jantjies......but this is not about Jantjies......get with it 

Unless Jantjies performs some unbelievable turn around in temperament and form , Pakie is spot on with his assessment, and I really rated Elton, but that quickly fell away.

on colour. To be the best or even stay in the top 4 we need to select the best. When I say best I mean SARU.. Coach.. Players.

If we are realistic I believe that we all know that this is never going to happen. This is why I am so 

pessimistic, I no longer hold onto any vain hope.  

Re Jantjies I don’t think that he is cut from strong enough mental cloth to make any 

meaningful contribution for the boks. He has been given all the scope to express himself

for the Lions yet take him away from JNB and add a little pressure and he folds.

At a press conference on Monday Coetzee also said things would not simply improve if he rung the changes ahead of the clash with Italy.

Despite the 37-21 loss to England, Coetzee was adamant there were positives to take from the game.

"We (the coaching staff) have analysed the game and are disappointed that the team couldn't maintain their performance in the first 30 minutes. England didn't look dangerous during that period," Coetzee said.

"But we made one mistake and the game changed. We had another soft moment and England scored their second try. It's debatable whether or not it should have been given, but an unforced error placed us in that position."

To illustrate that his team was making progress, Coetzee referred to the good positions the Boks found themselves in."We had six attacking lineouts in difficult weather conditions," he said. "During the Rugby Championship most of them were in our own half. It shows there is improvement in the execution of our plan."

Coetzee also praised the work rate of his loose trio, especially Willem Alberts who played in the unfamiliar position of openside flank.

"Willem played for 80 minutes against England and made 25 tackles. He was the player's Man of the Match. The loose trio's work rate was generally very good."

Eben Etzebeth has already been ruled out of the Italy Test with concussion, but Coetzee is not planning on making substantial changes to the team for Saturday's game.

"You can make wholesale changes and simply create a situation where the other players make the same mistakes. This isn't the first time I have endured difficult times. You have to handle it the right way."

I watched the game and came to an entirely different conclusion.   If there was in fact a game plan - I missed it completely.   When looking at what was done with ball possession I got the creeps,   About 60% of the time the ball went to the forwards - not the backline.   Paige also kicked possession away 

Wow trust Moz to ignorantly have issue with the players when its clear to all that the issue is with the coach and his lack of direction.

The same flavours of the month lost by 2 points to NZ in a WC semi under the guidance of an incompetent coach - so now all of a sudden in your eyes its the same players who are now crap - at that time Lood emerged as the SA player of the year for he was outstanding that year.....but in your books he is crap - WOW

You cant argue against this short sightedness

I'll say it again.......Eddie Jones has turned the same lost causes under Lancaster into world beaters - you get the picture Moz?

Moz stop speaking utter shit, the Lions beat a number of Kiwi Super sides in the rounds and thumped a Kiwi side in the semi.

If it’s not the coach at issue kindly explain why England have turned the corner under Eddie, who apart from Otoje is playing the same players Lancaster did

This should be interesting

 South Africa
 Samoa
 Scotland
 Japan
 United States

Pool C:

 New Zealand
 Argentina
 Tonga
 Georgia
 Namibia

Pool D:

 France
 Ireland
 Italy
 Canada
 Romania

Pool A was the only pool were every two of arguably three, or even four sides could have gone through to the next stage. All the other pools had two sides who were probably going to go through with the rest only in with a very slight chance.

Do not get me wrong. I am by no means rubbishing Eddie Jones' part in the current England side. Not in the least. All I am doubting is whether he would have been able to do the same with an SA side at the moment. My guess is that there is no chance. Not even as slight one, and the same goes for any other coach put in charge of the Boks. Let alone Suutjiespoep Coetzee and his band of wannabe assistants.

Bullshit......Lancaster was another conservative coach who supressed the players much like Meyer and Coetzee did/ are doing.

Eddie has empowered the players to express themselves and directs them to play the modern way

England play an expansive brand of rugby now under Eddie, something they never did under Lancaster

Eddie is using exactly the same players Lancaster did - the very players labelled as no hopers under Lancaster are now seen as world beaters under Eddie

He has transformed the players purely by directing them correctly

The same applies to the Lions players who thrive in the Ackerman environment but die under Coetzee

A modern merit coach would be soaring with the talent SA has at its disposal......far more talent than England has for instance