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Come on the Protea's Oz 24 for 2

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 11:09
#1
12 Feb 2014, 11:09#1

Keep kicking Oz arse boys

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 13:45
#2
12 Feb 2014, 13:45#2
 98 for 4.....Clarke gone.......go boys
NT
ntangaClub Pro336 posts
12 Feb 2014, 14:16
#3
12 Feb 2014, 14:16#3
 Great start from the Protea Lads, I hope Redsman is watching too!
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
12 Feb 2014, 17:18
#4
12 Feb 2014, 17:18#4

204 for 4.

 

 

Not exactly what I would call 'Kicking arse"  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 17:37
#5
12 Feb 2014, 17:37#5
Its worse 260 for 4.......big Oz comeback........Petersen has been a complete flop as our spinner.......again JP has proved better.........McLaren is another dud.........it has not helped that Steyn is not well, there has been little fire in him........great start only for us to fall flat.

I dont like the Protea team make up.......Alviro, Faf, Petersen and McLaren should not be in the side
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Feb 2014, 17:40
#6
12 Feb 2014, 17:40#6
The decision to put Oz in has  flopped. There was bit of movement through the air....Morkel got some bounce. But was it bad enough to hand the initiative to Oz. Even  a Proteas first innings of 250 would have left us with a fighting chance. Instead the  match is already a tough ask.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 17:52
#7
12 Feb 2014, 17:52#7
Yep Moz, it was a conservative call by Smith........Clarke said he would have chose to bat........I have a feeling Smith might not trust his batting side without Kallis in it......we have replaced Kallis with the very average McLaren........its a big mistake.

We should have replaced Kallis with de Kock, left Robin out and given JP the spinning duties and selected another strike bowler like de Lange instead of McLaren.

300 for 4, we are already on the back foot
AG
AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
12 Feb 2014, 18:18
#8
12 Feb 2014, 18:18#8
I completely agree, we needed to replace a Kallis with a top class batsmen and De Kock is certainly on the way to being that. McLaren offers very little batting wise and I don't thing he is a major improvement on Kallis in the bowling department. We have our work cut out in this match already.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 18:20
#9
12 Feb 2014, 18:20#9
Yep, we should have given the gloves to de Kock and had AB bat at 4, with de Kock at 6
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Feb 2014, 20:00
#10
12 Feb 2014, 20:00#10

The Aussie challenge to us coming out of the Ashes was whether we could man up to Mitchell Johnson. The Poms created this monster. By choosing to not bat it almost looks like we are ducking the challenge. This was a time to get in there and try to make a statement. Batting last we look very suspect and the series probably hinges on Amla rediscovering his form.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 22:58
#11
12 Feb 2014, 22:58#11
 Yep and Smith coming to the party as well
RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Feb 2014, 03:39
#12
13 Feb 2014, 03:39#12

Must admit I was pretty annoyed @ 4/80 odd.. went to bed about 4/120 and woke up to the news Smith and Marsh batted on... never any doubt... :/


Anyway new ball on bouncy deck saffa bowlers looked dangerous - I actually like the look of McLaren I think hes got good potential...


Reality is though Mitch is going to love that wicket particularly if he gets a crack at the Safffas late arvo.... 


We'll see if Aussies can bat for majority of the day now and put in a good first innings total...


From what I've seen I think saffas bowling better than poms - but still not @ Aussie level...


Cant wait for Mitch to come on and try his hand @ bouncy saffa pitches...


 

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 Feb 2014, 08:24
#13
13 Feb 2014, 08:24#13
This is turning into a disaster and it's all so unnecessary.

Win toss, bat first!

When is Graeme Smith going to grasp one of the golden rules of test cricket? How many more times must his idiotic decisions to field first backfire in his face?

We don't get too many chances to finally give the Aussies a klap in our own back yard . . . I think it's been 40 years or something ridiculous . . . and when we get the rare opportunity, we screw it up!

I'm very, very pissed off. We're already in a position where we're struggling to draw this test match and it should have been the other way around. All Smith had to do was make the simple, logical decision to bat first . . . but no, he had to try and be clever . . . even though there wasn't a flipping cloud in the sky!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 12:52
#14
13 Feb 2014, 12:52#14
Agreed Rooi we now have to play to save......pathetic decision to field first.......it smacks of a lack of faith and assertiveness  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:09
#15
13 Feb 2014, 14:09#15
I know Steyn is not well, but Johnson's dismissal of Smith was pure aggression..........we saw none of that from our attack......where is the fire?
RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:11
#16
13 Feb 2014, 14:11#16

 Just aussie bowlers are better. afraid to say...


haaha this is great cricket...


RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:13
#17
13 Feb 2014, 14:13#17

 BTW how good is Mitch...!!?!?!?!


Look @ Peterson backing away from him - had mates who faced him as a junior and said scariest bowler ever cause of his action you just don't know where the ball is going.



RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:13
#18
13 Feb 2014, 14:13#18
 yes 2 for !!!!
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:17
#19
13 Feb 2014, 14:17#19
Yep useless Alviro fails again  
RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:22
#20
13 Feb 2014, 14:22#20
 GO JOHNSON !!!! 3FOR!!!!
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:26
#21
13 Feb 2014, 14:26#21
He is destroying us.......he has just confirmed he is the best fast bowler in the game right now........you cant beat raw pace.......Faf was exposed for the average technique he has.......lets see how our two technically best bats go now in AB and Amla.
RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:28
#22
13 Feb 2014, 14:28#22

 OUCH!!!!!


That's gotta hurt poor old amla...

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:44
#23
13 Feb 2014, 14:44#23
Yep big time

and old man Harris bowling 147 kph ........impressive stuff



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redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:50
#24
13 Feb 2014, 14:50#24

 Harris is solid bowler - poms ranked him best aussie till Mitch hit the scene...


Amla DRS... too high maybe?

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:51
#25
13 Feb 2014, 14:51#25

 GONE...

Siddle is line length all day too - Im telling you the aussie bowlers are the best now - I think this is now beyond doubt...

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:56
#26
13 Feb 2014, 14:56#26
No Red, one test does not make your bowlers the best.....Steyn, Morkel and Philander are better than Johnson, Harris and Siddle.

There is a reason Philander and Steyn are number 1 and 2......Morkel number 8......that does not just happen over night
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:56
#27
13 Feb 2014, 14:56#27

Saffex


I am getting sick of the refrain - the dismissal of Smith and Peterson without virtually any runs being scored.    In this case Faf had to come in as a virtual opener and he was also not up to it.    It is easy for top bowlers to dismiss Smith - and even more so to dismiss Peterson 


A change in the opening batter situation is essential - we cannot go on with patently out of form players opening the batting.


By the way I see that the squads for the ODI and T20 series are to be announced before Monday - but it is clear - there is a very small chance of Kallis being in the squad - but the chances of Smith is minus-zero.


Lets hope that Hudson realizes there is a real need for change in our shorter version teams.   Hudson said that there are two certainties - Quinton De Kock and David Miller and that the squad announcement is delayed to sort out "administrative" issues - probably with the franchises concerned.


Lets hope the squad is determined/based on quality performances - nothing else. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 15:05
#28
13 Feb 2014, 15:05#28
Alviro, Faf, Ryan and Robin have to go......they are not up to test cricket.......de Kock, Miller and de Lange have to come in.......with one of Elgar, v/Zyl or Rossouw as the other.
AB has to go to 4 with de Kock taking the gloves
RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Feb 2014, 15:08
#29
13 Feb 2014, 15:08#29

From what Ive seen to date in this test where the 2x premiere bowling attacks going head to head this is my analysis:


1. Phillnader severely overrated... he is average at best - does he take wickets against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh or something?? Totally overrated... Id say on par if not below Siddle - Siddle can get up to the high 140s too you realise...


2. Steyn is still a top notch bowler but Mitch is better by 5-10kph...


3. Morkel / Harris both excellent bowlers



On the balance I still think the aussie bowlers have the edge... no point debating the spin bowlers... Lyon is leagues ahead...

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
13 Feb 2014, 15:58
#30
13 Feb 2014, 15:58#30
i was working on some reports with the cricket on in the background and damn mitchel is living up to the hype.

hes bullying the saffas the way he bullied the english by the looks of things, but my opinion is completely uneducated, like shazzzzzzas rugby opinion.

a couple of questions though who is the fastest bowler in the world???

and why did rooy say it was a mistake to bat 2nd, what advantage do u have in batting first???

oh one more question, why does johnson look like he wants to get into a fist fight with the batter everytime he bowls them out???
im currently blaming his choppa like mo.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 16:10
#31
13 Feb 2014, 16:10#31
Red you are showing your cricket ignorance.....how the hell do you think Philander has reached the number 1 spot and been the second fastest ever to 100 test wickets.....by being overrated?????

Philander is not about pace, he moves the ball late both ways......something Steyn does at pace and is what makes him better than Johnson.......Johnson is just raw pace, no lateral movement........given that Steyn's fastest ball was 149kph and Johnson so far 151kph I struggle to see where you get 5 to 10kph from......you are dreaming.

But here goes......Steyn is better than Johnson........Johnson is slightly faster, Steyn moves it far more at pace

Philander vs Siddle, no contest Philander is far better

Morkel vs Harris.......give me Morkel anyday

The world ranking back this up......case closed......we had you 98 for 4 we are 92 for 4
NT
ntangaClub Pro336 posts
13 Feb 2014, 16:34
#32
13 Feb 2014, 16:34#32
 its not looking good guys, 110/5, the victim being Duminy
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 16:38
#33
13 Feb 2014, 16:38#33
 Stupid shot after doing all the hard work......now we have the average Ryan in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
13 Feb 2014, 16:46
#34
13 Feb 2014, 16:46#34

 Never fear guys. We have Faf , Dummy and company still to bat a second time.

 

This is only day 2 of the test and Faf will stay at the wicket in the follow on and draw the test for SA.

 

An absolute disaster for SA cricket.

 

 

Lets face it, it is harder to gain selection to represent SA with the young talented players as long as you have some of these average guys entrenched in the team.

 

Start the change now get rid of plodders and select on merit.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 16:50
#35
13 Feb 2014, 16:50#35
Yep......AJ we cannot afford to keep players like de Kock and de Lange out of the side for a start
NT
ntangaClub Pro336 posts
13 Feb 2014, 17:05
#36
13 Feb 2014, 17:05#36
 I've always thought our captain is our weakest link IMO, Smith barely makes 25 runs on a good day, which at times lives Amla Kellies and AB doing all the hard work.
 
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Feb 2014, 23:33
#37
13 Feb 2014, 23:33#37

 lol just woke up to the reports of Johnson destroying the saffa bats... just like he did to the Poms...


Saffex - I can assure you my cricket knowledge is not ignorant based on what I see and have seen over the past summer v the poms the Aussies are clearly the dominant bowling attack in the worl - a simple bit of cricket logic Ill share is this too -


WHOEVER you face in the nets makes the bats in the team... IE Aussies face mitch all day long so anyone slower is easy pickings..


Furthermore... if you want to look @ fastest ball may not be that much in it - but have a look @ the consistent speed @ which Mitch bowls... high 140s just about every ball and he hasn't even had a morning 1st day pitch to bowl on....!!!


I think the saffas have just rose to the top during a very average few years of competition on the test scene... I rank this Aussie team quite highly but nothing compared to the early 2000s... mind you they are building nicly and the depth of aussie bowlers coming through the system is quite reassuring...


Cummins - young lad is a 150kph bowler too...


@Sas - Mitch has just got the instinct - BTW he use to be very fragile mentally until he did a week's hard core SAS training with Aussie Victoria Cross SAS recipient - his mental approach now is very solid... perhaps we could send the wallabies to see him too....  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Feb 2014, 00:55
#38
14 Feb 2014, 00:55#38
Mitchell bowls a lot of loose stuff, and I don't think he has the natural speed of Brett Lee. His action is slightly slingy ....not conducive to good control. And I think he bowls much closer to his top speed all the time. Morkel and Steyn seem happier bowling At 90 per cent. But Morkel bowled a few up in the 147 range...I honestly think if he was encouraged to do it, he could be faster than Johnson

So why was Johnson so devastating. I'd say partially because of poor batting, there were some pathetic shots offered, particularly by Alviro. But the balls that got Smith and Faf were absolute snorters. Morkel bowled so many bumpers that looped harmlessly above the head....Mitchell got them right at the Adams apple. He was aggressive....our guys were passive. And sometimes when a bowler is really quick, inconsistency works for him....Johnson bowled some poor stuff but the batsmen were frozen waiting for a rip snorter.
Steyn and Morkel have to accept the challenge.
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
14 Feb 2014, 03:20
#39
14 Feb 2014, 03:20#39

 I'll agree to disagree - Mitch may look unorthodox but his action is what gives him his edge... it is unpredictable but he is really quite an accurate bowler these days - Look at his rise up the world rankings and he now is approaching the elite levels of legendary bowlers in from Australia...


My prediction is that he will continue to dominate Smith and the ripple effect will roll through the whole top order... Aussies did this to Cook this summer and its clear that Graeme Smith struggles with Mitch.... a reality that the aussies will only continue to exploit...


The other thing regarding Mitch is the skiddish way the bowl comes on - Morkel obviously a lot taller will get the height and bounce but Mitch.... words just don't do him justice....





BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
14 Feb 2014, 08:11
#40
14 Feb 2014, 08:11#40
 Sasuke, its better to bat first than second in a test more so for the last innings. You dont want to bat last on a day 5 pitch that is breaking up. Usually 250 runs is piss to get in a test match but in the 4th innings of a test on a well worn pitch. 250 is not a given at all.
I am reading the comments from Saffex and redsman above and cant believe what I am reading..Was Alviro Peterson, an OPENING batsmen, jumping around and running away from Johnson?? No man!!!Faf has proven he is up to test level by saving SA on a few occasions but we need a match winner at 4 not a match saver. Cant believe they replaced Kallis with McLaren...The replaced a world class batsmen and good bowler with an average bat and bowl. 
What happened to De Kock.. What about that Natal guy David Miller I think is his name? Surely we need to replace Kallis with a specialist batsmen as we dont have an all rounder of his calibre so no use throwing shit at a hole and hoping it sticks..
I saw the highlights of the wickets and Alviro who is normally a classy batsmen who plays inside the V, looked to flash at a wide one almost like he wanted to get out as he was not enjoying himself..Surely you can not tell me these guys are "scared" of Johnson as they face Morne at practice daily!I dont know SA cricket like I used to but Alviro and Faf dont inspire confidence in a top 4. Faf at 6 or 7 I can understand but 3 to 5 need to be your best batsmen. I dont know..Maybe you guys back in SA know better.
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