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Comments on what to expect in the AB-SA test

Started by clevermike15 REPLIES1,166 VIEWS· 13 Sept 2018, 22:06
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Sept 2018, 22:06
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13 Sept 2018, 22:06#1

Based on what happened from the RC test in 2012 and subsequent away RC tests   the whole situation  look pretty dismal from a SA perspective – the Springboks lost all the tests.   There were two tests where the Springboks could have win - but individual players let them down badly and the tests were  lost.

 Dunedin – 2012  -  AB’s  won by 10 points

In this game Morne Steyn missed a total of 7 kicks  at goal – 6 penalties and 1 try conversion.   Even if half of those penalties were converted – most were very easy kicks – and the sitter required to convert the try kick at goal the end result could have been dufferent.

Wellington – 2014 -  AB’s  won by 4 points

The Springboks could have won this test   had Matfield not fouled  up a line-out on own throw 5 meters out from the tryline  three minutes before the end of the game.  He made sure there was no try scored.

Why did I mention those two games?   I mention same as an example of how individual  players can destroy team efforts,      

Now back to the test  on Saturday,   I do not believe that the Springboks  have even a 5% chance of wining the game on Saturday.   The reason is that there are too many players in the side in Saturday who will let the team down.   There are in the main two problems and those are –

*   players who are below international standard and at best questionable selections – Mostert. Kolisi, Whiteley  and Am; and

*    players who normally are good enough – but in the recent tests under-performed compared to their normal standard -those inter alia included Marx, Le Roux, Pollard. Faf and even Etzebeth.

The remainder of the team consisted of players who  more or less performed on an acceptable level – but not really match winners on their own.

For the Springboks to show positive signs all the players will have to improve on their recent performances and drastically so.  That leaves a team with 11 players who can make the team competitive - where 14 were  inadequate in 2012 and 2014,  11 would be incapable of cli mbing that mountain.  

So that will not be enough  to win the game – but could reduce the damage insofar as the scoreline is concerned,   I stated elsewhere that a loss by less than 20 points will mean an improvement on what Coetzee achieved  in 2016 and 2017 and a loss by less than 12 points will indicate that the team is developing better than was achieved under Meyer.

I stick with those comments and predict a loss of circa 14 points by the Springboks.              


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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
14 Sept 2018, 13:18
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14 Sept 2018, 13:18#2

What to expect is known already, NZ players and staff already opened about it.

It is going to be a story of brutes against noble men, a story of thugs against knights.

NZ already revealed the plot.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Sept 2018, 13:33
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14 Sept 2018, 13:33#3

This thread should be titled "A convenient excuse to have another go at Morne and Matfield".

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
14 Sept 2018, 13:58
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14 Sept 2018, 13:58#4
What? Is it already Tik o'clock The Trad? What a doos!
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Sept 2018, 14:38
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14 Sept 2018, 14:38#5
Pathetic thread.
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BokBFClub Pro421 posts
14 Sept 2018, 15:22
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14 Sept 2018, 15:22#6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXXZ1p-9EUg


Watch from 1:38 to see how Matfield cost us this game. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Sept 2018, 15:55
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14 Sept 2018, 15:55#7

I watched the slow-motion replays a number of times - and the problem was clear - the ball actually was thrown at Matfield and he did not make a clear take.   It went to a prop and the real opportunity for an effective drive was gone.   They then despite the deficiency of the initial catch tried to initiate a drive which came to nothing.    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Sept 2018, 16:22
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14 Sept 2018, 16:22#8
Yep thanks BokBF.....very helpful. So let me say how absolutely delightful it was to see a real Bok team in the game against a top opponent. We have missed that since the WC. Now to what happened......the only mistakes I saw were Lambie dropping the ball and the big one, Lomp stupidly running into touch when he clearly had to angle back inside and reset. That mistake possibly cost us the game. Now to the lineout Tokkie has mentioned maybe 50 times in his constant attack on Victor Matfield.....who made a few good passes and did some good work as first man to the breakdown. The lineout. Victor tapped the ball back, which negated the maul. Why? Because the ball was underthrown. Matfield is way above Read but Read is high enough to compete. Victor makes the right choice and gets his hand in front to deflect the ball to the Bok side. If the ball is thrown 3 inches higher there is no issue. Bismarck who made good throws to Whiteley before, under threw this one. Victor saved the turnover. Credit to Matfield, now maybe we can put this in the past where it belongs.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Sept 2018, 17:35
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14 Sept 2018, 17:35#9

Victor wins a difficult lineout ball 4 minutes from time, after which Hougaard, Whiteley and Lood combine to mess up the Bok attack and cost us possession just meters from the tryline. But Matfield is solely to blame.

Kriel misses the tackle that gifts Japan the winning try with no time left on the clock, but he is not to get the blame.

Too funny.

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BokBFClub Pro421 posts
14 Sept 2018, 17:43
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14 Sept 2018, 17:43#10

Lood at his RWC15 best, Kaino in for the try.

we loose by 2 and its....... Matfields fault


http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/7PDX4tTPaUa/South+Africa+v+New+Zealand+Semi+Final+Rugby/gtQwHuFARVo/Jerome+Kaino


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Sept 2018, 18:14
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14 Sept 2018, 18:14#11

Not worth discussing this with biased "experts".    Should have expected Matfield protective garbage from them.   

De Jager in 2015 was 10 times the lock Matfield was.  Matfield was the one who failed in his first line-out take on own throw and then had a penalty turned around - in other words his performance in the semi was BS,    No - I have to abide by the  twisted opnions of the local "experts".  

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Sept 2018, 18:36
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14 Sept 2018, 18:36#12

No - I have to abide by the  twisted opnions of the local "experts".

You don't. You can have your own. No need to get hysterical when people have views that differ from yours.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Sept 2018, 18:52
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14 Sept 2018, 18:52#13

Tell that to Mozard - maybe he will stop with his pervert libel.   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Sept 2018, 19:08
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14 Sept 2018, 19:08#14
But if you want to see a player blowing a test for the Boks look no further than this.....'Du Toit gets back up (with the ball) turnover Wales.' At minute 78 the Boks 2 points behind, 35 metres out a penalty to win the game a real prospect. Stephanie is the ball carrier.....gets tackled, lumbers back to his feet and gets stripped. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=toNSVbh1NAE Game over....there's your case of a player losing the game. Happened last December. No need to thank me Tokkie
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Sept 2018, 19:13
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14 Sept 2018, 19:13#15
As for the Pervert label, as Gordon Gekko said: 'stop lying about me and I'll stop telling the truth about you'.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Sept 2018, 19:37
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14 Sept 2018, 19:37#16

The subject matter had potential for an interesting discussion. If you cast aside your bias you could make your input more enjoyable for other people Clever Mike. Think about that. 

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