Congratulations WP - no choke today
Club Pro247 posts
25 Oct 2014, 18:40
#1
25 Oct 2014, 18:40#1
Congrats WP !
Started by Sharky5421 REPLIES277 VIEWS· 25 Oct 2014, 18:40
Club Pro749 posts
25 Oct 2014, 18:42
#2
25 Oct 2014, 18:42#2
Sadly for the Lions they made too many mistakes, and t hey missed 5 kicks.
WP executed better and made much less errors.
Congrats to the Capies
Captain18,570 posts
25 Oct 2014, 18:51
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25 Oct 2014, 18:51#3
I only watched the second half but Lions looked good & made it close.Tough kick but Bostoff missed it. Good to see his team mates support him. Congrats to WP.
Captain40,032 posts
25 Oct 2014, 19:01
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25 Oct 2014, 19:01#4
Given the Lions missed kicks WP had a very fortunate win. However when you consider who the L ions were missing from their lineup and who WP had missing I suppose it would hav ebeen wrong for the Lions to win as they would not live with Wp at full strength.
I note with concern the departure of BOTH Harris and Cilliers. Malherbe and Kitshof better come back well.
I note with concern the departure of BOTH Harris and Cilliers. Malherbe and Kitshof better come back well.
Captain40,032 posts
25 Oct 2014, 19:02
#5
25 Oct 2014, 19:02#5
Yeh sharkie didn't I tell you WP are no chokers. Bwahahahahahaha. Boshoff choked!
Club Pro492 posts
25 Oct 2014, 19:51
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25 Oct 2014, 19:51#6
I'm thrilled about the win. Well done to our boys, the team deserved the title this year.
We couldn't have win the cup without players like Michael Rhodes, Cheslin Kolbe, Senatla, Nizaam Carr, Catrakilis and others. Those players played superb throughout the season and we hope they stay at the club.
The future is looking bright for the WP/Stormers club with talented players coming through also in the WP academy.
Both teams defended relatively good, the Lions scrum was once again great and had some momentum in the second half but primarily a team will not win if the flyhalf misses so many kicks at goal. That was the case in this game, they didn't control the game well enough either.
Jaco Kriel again was effective and Nizaam Carr. Both players deserves to be in the bok squad based on their performances in Super XV and Currie Cup.
Captain40,032 posts
25 Oct 2014, 20:01
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25 Oct 2014, 20:01#7
The guys who helped most actually were Rhodes and Elstadt. Their defence was huge and kept the rampant Lions at bay.
We are fortunate to have found a number of good young locks. Grobbler and Kleyn.
Who will be our other tightheads. We have Maherbe and who else? Loosheads, Kitshoff, Kebble and Verma ak
We are fortunate to have found a number of good young locks. Grobbler and Kleyn.
Who will be our other tightheads. We have Maherbe and who else? Loosheads, Kitshoff, Kebble and Verma ak
Club Pro492 posts
25 Oct 2014, 20:35
#8
25 Oct 2014, 20:35#8
Bee no
I agree our loose forward trio was solid with Rhodes and Elstadt, Carr was also huge and so consistent.
Well Pat Cilliers wasn't ideal at tighthead, he is off to play for montepellier in france anyway. Oli Kebble can replace him at tighthead, he can also play loosehead of course. I would opt for Kebble at tighthead with Kitshoff at loosehead if his injury recovered. I don't rate Malherbe.
I agree our loose forward trio was solid with Rhodes and Elstadt, Carr was also huge and so consistent.
Well Pat Cilliers wasn't ideal at tighthead, he is off to play for montepellier in france anyway. Oli Kebble can replace him at tighthead, he can also play loosehead of course. I would opt for Kebble at tighthead with Kitshoff at loosehead if his injury recovered. I don't rate Malherbe.
Club Pro492 posts
26 Oct 2014, 10:28
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26 Oct 2014, 10:28#9
Carr should've been man of the match in fact. Wasn't really 100% recovered from injury but still played excellent. Showed great character.
Probably the most versatile loose forward in SA. Good speed and incredible strength with a eye for the gaps. If Carr is not involved in the boks squad for the end of the year tour based on his performances in Super XV and Currie Cup its beyond me. It would be a total waste of talent.
Probably the most versatile loose forward in SA. Good speed and incredible strength with a eye for the gaps. If Carr is not involved in the boks squad for the end of the year tour based on his performances in Super XV and Currie Cup its beyond me. It would be a total waste of talent.
Captain40,032 posts
26 Oct 2014, 14:13
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26 Oct 2014, 14:13#10
Malherbe is a great young tighthead. No question about it. Hence Meyer involvng him in the Boks. Look how he stopped the scrumming rout in Argentina for one. Nobody shoves him around todate and he is very busy outside the scrum. Kitshoff has an amazing work rate outside the scrum as well. I really hope these two are fit all next season.
Kebble looks too tall for a tighthead but we shall see how he goes. I have my doubts about Vermaak. I thought Alistair should have started with the stronger Kebble - is he injured? Our scrum was not up to it - that is the hon3st truth. But for Boschoff having a rare off day we would have comfortably lost the final. To be honest we were extremely lucky to win this Currie Cup as the Lions were the better side on the day.
Malherbe and Kitshof have proved their pedigree at Super 15 level and Kebble should be fine. Vermaak may or may not make it - we shall see how he goes. He had better work his butt off during th e break!
Kebble looks too tall for a tighthead but we shall see how he goes. I have my doubts about Vermaak. I thought Alistair should have started with the stronger Kebble - is he injured? Our scrum was not up to it - that is the hon3st truth. But for Boschoff having a rare off day we would have comfortably lost the final. To be honest we were extremely lucky to win this Currie Cup as the Lions were the better side on the day.
Malherbe and Kitshof have proved their pedigree at Super 15 level and Kebble should be fine. Vermaak may or may not make it - we shall see how he goes. He had better work his butt off during th e break!
Club Pro492 posts
26 Oct 2014, 15:05
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26 Oct 2014, 15:05#11
I regard Oli Kebble as a more talented loosehead out of the 4 props from WP, his general play work rate apart from scrumming is better than Malherbe. He's a stronger player with a superior scrumming technique.
Malherbe may have been good against Argentina as you say but how consistent is he in other matches compared to the others? He's mainly average at best on most days and how he got a bok call up is beyond me.
Tomas du Toit was one of the most promising props in prospect for our province but it's a pity he left for the Sharks...
Kolbe declined the offer to join the sharks a while back. Now that's loyalty.
Malherbe may have been good against Argentina as you say but how consistent is he in other matches compared to the others? He's mainly average at best on most days and how he got a bok call up is beyond me.
Tomas du Toit was one of the most promising props in prospect for our province but it's a pity he left for the Sharks...
Kolbe declined the offer to join the sharks a while back. Now that's loyalty.
Captain40,032 posts
26 Oct 2014, 20:44
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26 Oct 2014, 20:44#12
We miss talent like it has no value. Pollard should have been ours as well.Du Toit struggled against the Lions? At 19 he is extremely young and I wonder if he will go on tour.
Kebble is a loosehead and very promising. Malherbe a tighthead and very good in the scrum an in general play.
Carr is 103 kg. Well time will tell whether he can take it playing at 6 in Super Rugby. Strength will not be his main asset. He is a small loosie with some good skills. Could do a job for the Stormers but I have doubts how he will go against the big boys who are as fast and skilful as he is. Can he play a Hooper type game? Maybe. We shall see - give him a shot on tour.
Kebble is a loosehead and very promising. Malherbe a tighthead and very good in the scrum an in general play.
Carr is 103 kg. Well time will tell whether he can take it playing at 6 in Super Rugby. Strength will not be his main asset. He is a small loosie with some good skills. Could do a job for the Stormers but I have doubts how he will go against the big boys who are as fast and skilful as he is. Can he play a Hooper type game? Maybe. We shall see - give him a shot on tour.
Club Pro749 posts
26 Oct 2014, 20:51
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26 Oct 2014, 20:51#13
Carr is a lot more physical can what his size would suggest, I have seen many wanting to move away from a ALberts type player is is just a wrecking machine, the answer is then in mobile fast backrowers, as long as you have Vermeulen at 8 Carr should be able to do a job, Marcell Coetzee isn't that big either, Schalk Burger has lost some weight compared to before his i njuries, and he is much better for it, he has improved his skills and links very well these days.
Club Pro749 posts
26 Oct 2014, 20:51
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26 Oct 2014, 20:51#14
In fact, Jaco Kriel is not all that big and heavy either.
Pro1,526 posts
26 Oct 2014, 22:49
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26 Oct 2014, 22:49#15
Biltong, Jaco Kriel is probably one of our fastest loosies, he does not shy away from being a true fetcher - i.e. battle on the ground for the ball and his ball handling skills are first class.
Marcell Coetzee impressed this year and so did Schalk Burger.
My starting loosies would be Kriel (6), Schalla (7) and Vermeulen (8) with Marcell, Minnie and Carr their backup.
I did not consider Flo.
Club Pro749 posts
26 Oct 2014, 22:54
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26 Oct 2014, 22:54#16
Agree Blikkies, Marcell has improved his groundwork, last year he was useless on the ball, this year he made some good pilfers.
I don't think Minnie will get a shot though, Meyer likes bigger loosies, by memory Minnie is under 100 KG's
Captain40,032 posts
26 Oct 2014, 23:08
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26 Oct 2014, 23:08#17
BB Coetzee is 109 kg and is not physically dominant but gives 100%. Burger (31) is 114kg he was normally 110 kg before injury.
I dont think Alberts works hard enough. Elstadt at 115 is an option but to me Burger, Coetzee and Vermuelen have a nice balance re pace and power. Burger will keep going for 80 mins
Derick Minnie according to the Lions website is 108kg. The strongest of the Lions loose trio. Whitely is 105kg.Jaco K riel is 100kg faster than Carr and a fetcher.
I dont think Alberts works hard enough. Elstadt at 115 is an option but to me Burger, Coetzee and Vermuelen have a nice balance re pace and power. Burger will keep going for 80 mins
Derick Minnie according to the Lions website is 108kg. The strongest of the Lions loose trio. Whitely is 105kg.Jaco K riel is 100kg faster than Carr and a fetcher.
Club Pro492 posts
27 Oct 2014, 05:23
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27 Oct 2014, 05:23#18
Patrick Howard is quality player, he played superb in currie cup with a few tries at centre. I think he could do well in super rugby alongside De Allende. Beeno you often post how we have small backline players with low weight which is true, Patrick Howard can help that issue a bit, he's a 100gk's and is fast and strong. How do you rate Patrick Howard? Also do you think he can make a step up in super rugby? I definitely think he can for the Stormers.
Blikkies
As much as I do like Carr I wouldn't consider to start him ahead of Kriel. Carr can play number 8 or Flanker but is more preferred at 8 and I wouldn't wanna leave out Vermeulen. Carr can make a impact off the bench maybe at the 60th minute. If Meyer involves Carr or Kriel in the squad my faith in him will be restored.
Marcel Coetzee is a class loose forward but doesn't run on good angles and breaks the line often as Carr would do or Kriel. I think that speciality is important to have as a looseforward. I would like to see him stop running straight and more on different angles. His work rate is fine though.
Blikkies
As much as I do like Carr I wouldn't consider to start him ahead of Kriel. Carr can play number 8 or Flanker but is more preferred at 8 and I wouldn't wanna leave out Vermeulen. Carr can make a impact off the bench maybe at the 60th minute. If Meyer involves Carr or Kriel in the squad my faith in him will be restored.
Marcel Coetzee is a class loose forward but doesn't run on good angles and breaks the line often as Carr would do or Kriel. I think that speciality is important to have as a looseforward. I would like to see him stop running straight and more on different angles. His work rate is fine though.
Pro9,905 posts
27 Oct 2014, 08:17
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27 Oct 2014, 08:17#19
Congrats to Jerome and his fellow WeePee supporters.
We had our opportunities and unfortunately didn't take them.
As a young bunch of lads with a rookie coach we've had a great season. I'm sure we as team will be the better for it next year.
Look forward to it.
Gooooo Lioooonnnnssss!!
Captain40,032 posts
27 Oct 2014, 08:23
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27 Oct 2014, 08:23#20
Cc the Lions are building nicely and if they can avoid departures via the Bulle and Sharks grubby cheque books (and also of course the parasitic NH) they should have a better than usual Super Rugby season.
Club Pro749 posts
27 Oct 2014, 08:27
#21
27 Oct 2014, 08:27#21
The Lions biggest challenge for next year in Super Rugby is depth. To progress in Super Rugby you need more than 23 players.
Club Pro492 posts
27 Oct 2014, 15:18
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27 Oct 2014, 15:18#22
Thanks Cleancut
Respect to you and others that showed admiration in defeat and congratulated the team.
I wish the Golden Lions best of luck for the future. Good effort.
Respect to you and others that showed admiration in defeat and congratulated the team.
I wish the Golden Lions best of luck for the future. Good effort.
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