CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 May 2014, 15:41#2
Hakwa
They had no option - otherwise they would let a professional fouling thug get away with it. . That may teach the Crusaders and Chiefs not to be coached to commit professional fouls in the hope that they can get away with it. Crooked rugby should like dirty rugby be eliminated from the game.
21 May 2014, 15:42#3
I'm guessing Dylan Hartley would have got life for that one ha ha ha !!!
3 weeks is a surprise, I have to say but our Prop only got a week for punching Tom Youngs and getting a Red Card on Friday night in the Saints/Leics match. So it's obviously short ban season
sharkbok
Captain23,295 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
21 May 2014, 15:48#4
Given that we fund the SuperXV and the 4 nations, our players should be forgiven for a few indiscretions.
21 May 2014, 15:50#5
Jordan Taufua apparently fronted and gave evidence in the case which helped Deysel. Taufua must have reiterated that Deysel was sincerely sorry and that he did blatantly hold him back.
I assume thats what Taufua's evidence was and good on him. Yes, it could have been worse but it wasn't and one thing is for sure..Taufua might think twice before doing that nonsense again!
21 May 2014, 15:51#6
Jordan Taufua apparently fronted and gave evidence in the case which helped Deysel. Taufua must have reiterated that Deysel was sincerely sorry and that he did blatantly hold him back.
I assume thats what Taufua's evidence was and good on him. Yes, it could have been worse but it wasn't and one thing is for sure..Taufua might think twice before doing that nonsense again!
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 May 2014, 16:00#7
Give Taufua 10 out of 10 if he did give evidence like boklogic claimed.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 May 2014, 16:55#8
Given Taufua's cheating deserved a slap........3 weeks is about right. Deysel will hopefully use his fists next time
21 May 2014, 17:04#9
Please, if a kiwi player did this he would have gotten the IRB player of the year award.
MDMonkey D Luffy
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MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
21 May 2014, 19:07#10
im surprised he only got three weeks, and he can count himself lucky.
the deliberate nature of diesel sniffers actions is what IMO should have given him more time.
the fact that he looked down at tafua and then stomped him makes him a disgusting thug IMO, and this ruling a very favourable one, i mean now he wont play a club game ontop of two spXV games???
with punishments like that, why even bother enforcing the no stamping on oppositions head or face, lolz.
but the tafua testimony, deysels apparently clean sheet all played a part in the decision, so no point in crying about it ok hakwa san, after all, were not saffas,
the judicary in all hearings this year has been adding an extra week or two to most sentences this year as a deterrent for future offenses.
what message are they sending with no deterrent on the most heinous offense in spXV this year??? o_O
i hope all the blues players are wearing headgears this week, cos theyre going to need it,
22 May 2014, 21:41#12
I think you'll find there's already a law to cover this; with all "do" respect.....
FOForeverArizona
Club Pro580 posts
FOForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
22 May 2014, 21:48#13
If there is then it makes it look even more worst for this Crusaders player...and those that follow his example.You are actually admitting to deliberately causing malicious actions on the field.Moola,that is not square.But what ever blows your hair back baby.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 May 2014, 21:52#14
Kbbs dodging the highly embaraasing issue here - the culpability of taufauCompulsory reading fr all kiwis are the comments made by Kaplan. Bwhahahahaha.
The worst offenders are Kiwis says Kaplan. Deysel should be given a medal for highlighting this fact. Kbbs the cat is now out of the bird you will need to work out a new way to get an unfair advantage.
But how accurate was Beeno assessment. Read what Kaplan says about taking people out around rucks etc. Kiwis sides are trying to take people out of the defensive line.Their friends across the ditch are onto this good thing as well.
If saffa sides try it they will be blown up. And so the farce continues and will continue unless we all protest. SARU in particular must be onto these things in full force and immediately they shown their face.
22 May 2014, 21:58#15
watch McCaw getting taken out illegaly the ENTIRE game Beeno and noticed how controlled and what a gentleman he is towards his counterparts from the SA Rugby Fraternity. He is very patient and willing to give them a chance to learn from him how to conduct oneself on and off the field. I would have hoped that Deysel would have taken the time on the sideline to take notes from McCaw - goodness knows he had enough time about 79minutes
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 May 2014, 22:19#16
Dream on hacked waaaugh but whatever you do please note Kaplans remarks about Kiwis being the worst offenders. Mcheat is far to slwo for anyone wanting to hold him back. BwahahhaahhahahahaWhen a ref of international renown like Kaplan speaks out like this it is noted by one and all except the lunatic fringe. England you have been warned. I suggest you squeal blue murder if they try this on you. Given the bad plublicity they may lie low for a while or try the next trick?
NZ have again been found out.
22 May 2014, 23:07#17
And Kaplan's from where? Oh, that's right, where the "Sprigboks" hail from!
ABABasquefan
Pro2,549 posts
23 May 2014, 02:55#19
All of you saffas are justifying the violence:
"That may teach the Crusaders and Chiefs not to be coached to commit professional fouls"
"Taufua might think twice before doing that nonsense again!"
"Given Taufua's cheating deserved a slap........3 weeks is about right. Deysel will hopefully use his fists next time"
"Taufua's action are equal to Deysel."
for your information FA, one is just an offense deserving a penalty like being offside and what Deysel did was an Agression, if you cannot see the difference...
And what would have happened if the one who helded had been a sharks player and the one who stomped his face had been a saders, let's say McCaw?
You all would be saying that there must be no tolerance before this acts, that an exemplifying ban should be applied, etc., etc. I wouldn't be surprised if one of you asked even for the death penalty.
what would you have done, not so clevvermike, if McCaw had stomped a sharks player's face and someone had written without any prove or anything similar (as you do) that this happens because the SA players are coached to comit proffesional fouls and therefore some stomps in their faces are good for rugby because that way the SA players are teached?
You all justify the violence and you do so just because who practises it, is one of yours. Couldn't be more repugnant, bounch of bias possessed!!!
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 May 2014, 05:32#20
ABasquefan
I have yet to find any SA supporter who justifies the actions of Deysel. Not one of them has done that - so your assumption is totally out of context. Nobody support violence - but I think where you are wrong is that you do not recognize the need for cleaning up the game from unprofessional fouls.
Fact is the NZ teams practice it and when asked about it says that other NZ teams are worse. If the referee took constructive action when Crotty started with it in the game on Saturday it is likely that it would have been reduced in later phases of the game.
That kind of foul often has unpleasant consequences in games and that I think is what most members of the site feel that it should be dealt with constructively by the referees. Penalties are note nough - yellow cards should be used.
What is disturbing is that New Zealand coaches does not view unprofessional conduct of the nature involved as wrong and apparently encourage it. If that is indeed so - it is time that the game management in NZ should be cleaned up.
i think from this weekend there will be much more attention paid to that component of the game. So lets hope the unprofessional fouls will be eliminated from the game.
ABABasquefan
Pro2,549 posts
23 May 2014, 07:26#21
mike,
"I have yet to find any SA supporter who justifies the actions of Deysel. Not one of them has done that".
I'll show you again and this are some samples of only this thread:
"That (the stomping) may teach the Crusaders and Chiefs not to be coached to commit professional fouls".
This one is from you. When you say that the violence, the stomping in this case, has some desirable outcomes (teach the saders and chiefs) you are justifying it.
"Taufua might think twice before doing that nonsense again!". Boklogic
"Given Taufua's cheating deserved a slap........3 weeks is about right. Deysel will hopefully use his fists next time". Saffex
"Taufua's action are equal to Deysel." FA
You all justified the violence. Don't deny it, is all written up there
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 May 2014, 07:48#22
Kaplan will get plenty of invites to boozie SA parties & be the king of speakers circuit for a while at least.
Did he say anything about SA thuggery lately? Let's keep things in proportion - punishment to fit the crime, etc.
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 May 2014, 07:58#23
Beeno: once again glad to see you are not complaining about the ref (even if this is a retired one), lol It was a nasty habit but you overcame it, congrats. Also glad to see your fellow SA posters have fallen in line under your leadership
JW: always giving credit where credit is due
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 May 2014, 08:14#24
Abasquefan
""That (the stomping) may teach the Crusaders and Chiefs not to be coached to commit professional fouls".
I quote your statement above. What you have added in brackets is crazy. The sentence I wrote and you quoted relates to yellow carding of players committing Professional fouls - not as you now try to make out fraudulently by adding the words in brackets. That is unethical and I do not accept that - any apology is called for.
ABABasquefan
Pro2,549 posts
23 May 2014, 09:09#25
mike,
I didn't try to make out faudulently anything. It's just what I understood. "That" can mean everything and inthis context and having read others of your posts, I understood that you wanted to mean the stomping.
I read it again and if I'm not wrong (which could easily be the case cos' it's not very clear and I'm not a native english) you are refering to leaving the stomping without the appropiate punishment which is almost the same. What I understand is:
"They had no option (than leaving the stomping without the appropiate punishment) - otherwise they would let a professional fouling thug (Taufua) get away with it. .
That may teach the Crusaders and Chiefs not to be coached to commit
professional fouls in the hope that they can get away with it"
The bracketts are mine.
Almost the same.
23 May 2014, 21:16#27
Abasquefan, you're wasting your time arguing with this lot! They all claim to be not justifying Thug Deysel's stomp but then say that it was under severe provocation. Thuggery is thuggery and no-one should be trying to make excuses for the thug.Obviously a jack-up orchestrated by the SARU for him to only get 3 weeks and one of those is a club game!!!I can't believe Sharkbok basically saying it was ok as they are only plastic sprigs!Reconfirms the SA psyche of cheap shots and dirty play is foremost in their minds.If they concentrated just on rugby they might have a remote chance of beating the mighty ABs.
23 May 2014, 21:41#28
despite being taken out illegally off the ball the entire game, McCaw still comes out triumphant in common human decency towards his lesser opponents at the end of the match - can't say the same for this counterpart from the Sharks though - - watch and learn boys, watch and learn AND ARISE Sir Richie McCaw
23 May 2014, 23:44#29
Cheating is the only way they'll win anything.
They first start off by collecting all the talented Islanders and drawing them into their squad, claiming they're legit New Zealanders.
Then they make sure the IRB officials are taken care of to ensure decisions go their way.
A little something under the counter brings the refs in on the conspiracy, and to seal it off nicely they coach cheating techniques to all that don the Black jersey.
Then when all's said and done, they pat themselves on the back and celebrate their achievements.
What cracks me up is when fools like Just Win speak of winning graciously and how we and the rest of the world should take lessons in this from the men in black.
23 May 2014, 23:53#30
What's "clainming"? Not in my dictionary....Perhaps you mean claiming? As in Sprigboks scalps by the ABs??
