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Craig Joubert: Why I ran off the pitch at Rugby World Cup

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Jul 2016, 04:18
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08 Jul 2016, 04:18#1
Mick Cleary, Rugby Union Correspondent

Craig Joubert offered his hand in the lobby of the Goring Hotel in London. Next, he offered to buy a drink. A beer. The bartender was duly asked what beers he had on offer.

“We’ve got a lager and a Scottish beer, sir.”

“Scottish beer and a glass of Sauvignon for my friend here,” said Joubert.

“Don’t think you can curry favour with an entire nation just by buying their beer,” I said.

It was a risky gambit with a man I had met only two minutes earlier, knew only from a distance as an international referee, and with a sensitive subject up for discussion.

Joubert looked at me, I looked at him, and we both laughed.


That conversation took place three days before Joubert made his return to the international scene in the England v Wales match on March 12.

His previous Test match, also at Twickenham, had been the Scotland v Australia World Cup quarter-final, with its dramatic finale and subsequent furore.

On Monday of this week, Joubert was named on the panel of officials for rugby’s return to the Olympics in Rio.


The following day he was on a flight to New Zealand for Super Rugby duties, beginning in Christchurch on Friday.

He had been open and accessible when in London for the Six Nations Championship but did not want his comments to distract from the match itself. Finally, this week, with the Olympic roster confirmed, an appointment about which he admits to “being thrilled”, he felt able to go on the record about events last October.

As many will tell you, from fellow refs, to players, even to the Scots, Joubert is affable, amenable, level-headed, highly regarded and accomplished at what he does, a rugby man to his very core, without ego and without edge, generous and popular, too, no matter that it was his decision to award a contentious penalty in the last minute of that bristling, edge-of-seat World Cup quarter-final that denied the Scots a chance of a famous victory.

The goal was kicked and a nation sank to its knees in despair. Scotland captain Greig Laidlaw looked a broken man. There was more. At the final whistle only seconds later, Joubert dispensed with the customary handshakes and headed straight down the tunnel, disappearing from sight. That act in itself angered many.

Gavin Hastings hurled a mouthful of abuse in Joubert’s direction. So, too, Matt Dawson. They were not alone. The following day, World Rugby issued a statement stating that the wrong decision had been made.

It should have been a scrum, not a penalty. That is by-the-by. It was the abrupt exit from the pitch that drew so much criticism. There is a simple question to be asked. Why? “In my head was a desire to avoid any possible unseemly confrontation that would mar what had been a wonderful occasion,” Joubert said.


“I had it in my mind somewhere that there had been an incident between the official and the England coaches [Andy Farrell and Graham Rowntree, for which they were later fined] in their match against Australia and I just didn’t want any of that to happen, not because I don’t understand the emotions of the moment for players and coaches, their desire for answers to questions, but just because I did not want that to become another possible incident. That was my thinking, not for myself but for the situation.”

Reasonable, plausible, if not entirely exonerating Joubert.  There is another question to ask. Before I can, Joubert poses it himself. “In hindsight, would I have reconsidered that decision?” he says. “Absolutely.” 

But he had no chance to reconsider that decision. Nor to explain it. For referees are not allowed to speak on any matter without approval. If anyone had reason to be enraged by the outcome of that match, it was Vern Cotter, the Scotland head coach.

Instead, it was Cotter who took it upon himself to ring Joubert a couple of days later, with the critical storm raging all around, and tell him he understood the complexities of the decision in real time.

It was sport and everyone just has to accept what happens and get on with it. There was no anger, no spite, no desire for an inquest, just one bloke to another putting it in perspective.

They all met again in Dublin on the final weekend of the Six Nations, Joubert running the line for the Ireland v Scotland game. “I had a coffee with Vern before the game and a beer with Greig [Laidlaw] afterwards,” said Joubert this week.


“They were very natural and typical interactions which I enjoyed.” Joubert is like that himself, a man reared at the side of a rugby field, watching his dad, Des, referee matches, absorbing the atmosphere, revelling in the nature of the sport.

The 38-year-old from Natal is still like that. He loves the tradition of the Six Nations, loves the fact that there is still a Friday-night dinner for referees and officials, that there are caps and presentations after matches, that there is fierce tribal rivalry, inflamed emotions, but still, he insists, respect for the referee.

Joubert is a companionable and rounded figure. When officials arrive in Durban to referee, he insists on hosting them, taking them on trips up-country to the historical battlefields of Rorke’s Drift and Blood River, explaining the history of his country to them.


This is not a man to be reviled, as he was in some quarters. Joubert has no objection to people questioning decisions. Mistakes will happen. More is the pity that he was not allowed to articulate his views at the time and then this would not have festered.

Joubert is a decent bloke. That is the nub of all of this.

The return to Twickenham was not without its stresses. “I was definitely aware of the increased scrutiny,” said Joubert. “But I cherish these big occasions and once the game kicked off I felt calm and assured back in the arena.”  Back where he most belongs, no matter the noise and clamour.

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
08 Jul 2016, 08:06
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08 Jul 2016, 08:06#2
 Craig being the consumate gentleman that he is.
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
11 Jul 2016, 01:01
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11 Jul 2016, 01:01#3
 See, now if Bryce Lawrence had the same approach, hell, he'd never receive any death threats.

Well done Craig.
You f&cked up badly, but you are approachable and acknowledge the public

Well done

True SAFFA that.

Would it be inappropriate to say "give that man a Bells"??
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XaviPro1,924 posts
11 Jul 2016, 18:59
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11 Jul 2016, 18:59#4
 @ Chippo.. 
I think the Scots would tell him to f£ck off and get a bourbon or Tennesee mash.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
11 Jul 2016, 19:51
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11 Jul 2016, 19:51#5
"An officer and a gentleman" a great man who is honest but admits his vulnerability to a game that has it's complexities...a task that few could handle...takes criticism like a man but is not influenced by the crowd or popular result.

As much as I was gunning for the brave and deserving Scots he did what he thought was right cursed by his delegated IRB rules of not being able to consult the TMO.

Nevertheless this erring might open and set a precedent and change this ruling.

Craig and Nigel Owens are the best refs we have today. I believe he is respected by all teams, including the Les Bleus...refereeing today requires great character and guts to go against the flow.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
11 Jul 2016, 20:09
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11 Jul 2016, 20:09#6
Haha. I got nothing more. Just haha. The Scots might forgive him but France never ever will. And i mean never.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
11 Jul 2016, 20:33
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11 Jul 2016, 20:33#7
Well Plum I was gunning for the French as well...I had them to create an upset and yes it was too close for comfort, Trinh-Duc miss let NZ off the hook sadly and there were the criticisms on his lenient stance of referring on both sides despite the small score...that's rugby...even a WC final is not the end of the world to me, maybe to the fanactics...it's a very tough world. I too sympathise greatly with France but we move on.

Every close final has it's ifs and buts but rugby (and every sport) has it's controversies and it is really naive and perhaps even stupid to think of favouritism and match fixing...incidentally Joubert has French ancestry...Jouberts in SA came from Huguenot background.
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
12 Jul 2016, 11:32
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12 Jul 2016, 11:32#8
 There's only one reason he ran off the field. He was sh*t scared of the crowd after robbing the Jocks of a semi spot!Gutless behaviour from Joubert. He's had some shockers as a ref. He would have been lynched in NZ if the ABs had not won the RWC Final in 2011 despite his best efforts to hand the game to the Frogs on a platter. Lucky for him the ABs played with cool heads and didn't react to the Frog's foul play that Joubert conveniently ignored. Just too classy I guess.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
12 Jul 2016, 11:46
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12 Jul 2016, 11:46#9
 Simply useless.
An embarrassment to South Africa.
Incompetent and blatantly bias. 
They should remove him from the mix.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Jul 2016, 14:20
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13 Jul 2016, 14:20#10
 Typical one eyed nonsense about the French ,just where exactly did they miss out ? And while your at it tell us why that little french git with his fingers in McCaws eyes shouldnt have been carded ? Give me examples where France was hard done by as compared to NZ .There isnt any is there its just the usual confirmation bias because its the ABs.Amazing how many suddenly discover their  love for france when they play the ABs .Maybe Joubert should have kicked the 2 penalties the useless frogs missed eh ? would that help ? And people forget the sh!tload of stuff that went the Scots way in their haste to have a go at Joubert ,strange we dont see much about him reffing the 2014 S15 final eh ?Hi Cloudy ! If anything a few Kiwis should be narked at Joubert ,the 12-12 draw against Oz in 2012 saw him freeze because of all the nonsense thrown at him .He barely played any advantage for either side for example and had a very pe dantic game quite unlike him .
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Jul 2016, 17:25
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13 Jul 2016, 17:25#11
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/rugby/out-of-control-scottish-commentator-blames-joubert-s-mistakes-cheating-mccaw-for-letting-all-blacks-win-2011-world-cup-avid-060a2b340101010501010f1013-000000-0396832be2df0094-c65f0060dd44-a8b1 Hehe
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Jul 2016, 17:30
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13 Jul 2016, 17:30#12
There's 3. Also, did you ever watch that autopsy of the 2011 final WD? Dunno why you think I have it in for the ABs. Have only ever made two negative comments against specific players. Anyway, I watched the autopsy of that game as a neutral and there were some very bad calls. There's a video also where it clearly shows Joubert clearly looking at 3-4 on the ball penalty infringements and he does nothing. There are ample examples. I don't really care if you thibk I have it in for the ABs. I know that what I really dislike is poor reffing affecting big games. I've made posts about it on here ample times before...against refs who make bad calls in SAs favor too.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jul 2016, 18:24
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13 Jul 2016, 18:24#13
 Well, atleast we didn't name him SA Reff of the year, or did we?
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WardadPro6,663 posts
14 Jul 2016, 02:11
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14 Jul 2016, 02:11#14
 Plum you are on record as disliking any positive comments about the ABs by us NZ fans so hardly a neutral.And that garbage you put up is the usual crap that ignores any french transgressions and looks only at supposed NZ transgressions .Fact is france got off with just as much and more ,especially with that arsehole and his eye gouging.And still no actual examples from you .Bloody envy is all it is.France had ample opportunities provided by Joubert but were not good enough ,if you like conspiracy theories ask yourself why the french  buggered off as possible and avoided dope testing .Hell even their own past players and management have admitted drug use .So as a supposed neutral you might want to check something that doesnt support your bias but thats not what your after is it ?Hehe.
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
14 Jul 2016, 05:57
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14 Jul 2016, 05:57#15
Sorry CJ is a prick of a ref - infatuated with Richie and the kiwis (wouldn't be surprised if has a nice little cayman islands account brimming with kiwi dollars).
His disdain for aussies is just ridiculously blatant and takes it upon himself to ensure every game reffed against the aussies is 70/30 at best.
I have lost complete respect for ARU and their lack of gonads regarding choice of refs. 
The fact kiwi refs were used in all of the nz v oz derby game last week is just appalling.
The only ref that actually is a proven, totally and completely impartial is Wayne Barnes and funny thing is the kiwis hate him because they're use to ref always helping... 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Jul 2016, 08:55
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14 Jul 2016, 08:55#16
 Craig Joubert is the nearest we have to a bent down under ref. He handed the RWC to nz on a plate in a very bad display of biased reffing. Not nearly as bad though as the all time worst Bryce Lawrence  - whose father started the get the jarpy campaign that continues to this day!
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
14 Jul 2016, 12:44
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14 Jul 2016, 12:44#17
 Never mind Hasbeeno. After all, the ABs have been "getting the Japie" and have had your number for 100 years mate. Surely by now you must accept the Boks are just not up to it and haven't been since neutral refs were introduced!!
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 Jul 2016, 14:01
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14 Jul 2016, 14:01#18
 WD Nah, you missed the point. I am on record as saying that Saffas will shred our own players if they deserve it and many kiwis on here will raise their opinions on Saffa players too...and we are fine with that because we don't be default treat people saying things against our players as biased liars. But the moment anybody says anything about a Kiwi player than it is jealousy, bias, anti AB etc etc blah blah. But sure, I can understand how you might chose to missions interpret that to suite your opinion. Go and check your "records". When you do check them you will find that I am dubious about Ben Smith in the air and agree with many who think Ritchie did more than just bend the rules though I still rate him as a player. I am also on record as saying that Joubert failed to ref the WC Final between France and NZ correctly. The video I am talking about shows numerous example where France are penalised for exactly the same thing that NZ got away with on multiple occasions. Strange though, how many kiwis bitched when he screwed up the S18 final? Very very many. Joubert had to write a letter of apology to Ritchie and the boys. Say what you want mate, but the video doesn't lie.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
15 Jul 2016, 07:50
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15 Jul 2016, 07:50#19
 Plum there are just as many videos out there showing what france got away with ,if you think they were hard done by you need to open at least one eye mate .Your just one of many who carry on this nonsense about france being hard done by when truth is the probably were given slightly more of an advantage than NZ .If I couldbe arsed I could show you that for every supposed penalty he missed for france he did the same for NZ ,others have already refuted this but you just look for whatever suits your bias.The Kiwis on here have long forgotten the S15 final but you are still droning on about something involving NZ and france ,maybe you need to look at the real reason for your "france wuz robbed " garbage if your honest its because you cant stand the thought of the ABs winning .Especially when your team is out of it .As for Kiwis commenting on SA players and teams there is actually very little of that at all ,hell I have been in to bat for some of your own team who were having sh!t poured on them by you Saffas !Joubert sure as hell didnt apologize because Kiwi fans were cheesed off either .Doubt if he comes on here much .
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