It started will the Boks vs AB's.......I got to the point where Bismark was pathetically red carded by a massively incompetent ref, effectively ending the match as a contest. I was impressed the Boks contained the score as they did given the 14 men.
But my day got worse, I left after the Bismark card to go watch my little man play who lasted all of 10 min on the field before dislocating his shoulder in the act of making a tackle.
So all in all a really shit day on the rugby front
Sorry to hear about your son's injury Saff. Hope he gets well soon.
Saffex: sorry to hear about your son's injury, hope he recovers soon and is not put off the game.
No jokes today. Know the angst when the yong ones are hurt. Strongs to you and the son, hope he heals quickly.
As for that ref, there are no words to describe his stupidity and French attitude. Hopefully he will get some visit from aunty karma.
Hope your boy is okay and recovers soon, Dave.
On another subject, have you seen a SA youngster called Sebastian de Chaves play for Leicester Tigers? He's a good mate of my son's and he started for the Tigers this weekend. Unfortunately, they didn't show the game here but please let me know if you hear any news or interviews or anything like that.
Thanks Vlag and Just......yes thats the biggest challenge now is working on him overcoming the fear of it happening again. It was not a good experience for him as the pitchside paramedic and my mate a doctor could not put it back in.............so we called for an ambulance which took over an hour to get to the field.
So the poor lad had the shoulder out for well over 2 hours and when an A&E doctor put it back in, she did it with ease.
But the trauma of it all has really scared him and his comment was that he never wanted to endure that again. Its going to be tough convincing him that all will be ok and him being involved in contact again is going to be a hurdle no doubt.
I spent my whole rugby and cricket career popping my shoulder back into place.......so I have that experience to draw on. He is a tough nut, so hopefully all will be ok
Rooi, I know of de Chaves, he was a rated up and coming lock in SA.......will keep you posted. Why did he leave SA?
Thanks for the support, I know you had your share of injuries with your boy
De Chaves' family is still in SA. He's only overseas because he kept getting overlooked by the Lions when he was on their books. He started with a French 2nd div team called Stade Montois but he's got a big opportunity now with Tigers.
My son and De Chaves played a lot of rugby together but my boy had to give up rugby in his matric year after he picked up 3 concussions in the space of about 4 months. He had represented the the Lions at age group already so it's a great pity but I'm pretty sure we made the right decision.
Yeah I remember you telling me about your boy and the tough decision to pack it in.
Its been a double blow for my little man, he was meant to have county cricket trials next Sunday, that's gone out the window.
What is it with SA and young locks.........we let the likes of Quinn Roux, Jandre Marais, Ettienne Oosthuizen, Carl Wegner and De Chaves slip the net only to invest in the likes of de Kock Steenkamp, Franco v/d Merwe and Marco Wentzel........makes no sense at all.
Will keep an eye out for him
It is not uncommon for the medics/doctor not being able to get it back in immediately. Sometimes the muscles are still all tensed up for various reasons. They then inject a muscle relaxant and then puts it back in. Sometimes the muscles relax quite soon (or they use enough force) and they can them put it. IMO, it is the best to wait for the muscles to relax and then put it back in, rather than forcing the issue. The doctor could probably have put it back in if he really put enough effort in it, but at some stage he would decide that it is better, in the long run, to wait.
I have seen a boy dislocating a knee on a rugby field once and there was also a doctor friend of mine around. He just tried once, and then said that they should get a car to take him to hospital. He started chatting to the boy in the mean time and calmed him down a lot, and when they arrived with the car, he had the boy relaxed and made a few jokes, while they were busy puting the seats of the car down, etc. Just as we wanted to help getting the boy into the car, he gave it another go, and it went back in straight away. He then explained all of this to me.
Funny thing is, my mate the doc has had no luck with either of us now. My shoulder used to always pop when I played rugby and I always popped it back in myself. It has happened a few times in cricket when I have thrown the ball and once or twice bowling gentle offies.
I was playing indoor cricket with the doc and in the heat of the moment I threw the ball and my shoulder popped. I tried to get it back in and it was the first time I really struggled. I thought I was in safe hands given my bud the doc was about but sadly he was no better at getting it back in. I eventually got it in and took the piss out of him for failing as a doctor. But as he explained, he is a GP, they dont handle dislocations, that's the job for A&E.
With my little man, he was in such pain that they could not really move his shoulder, so the method they were trying on the field was never going to work. They plied him with plenty of gas and morphine but he was still in agony everytime they tried to move him.
In hospital, the doctor, obviously used to treating dislocations, just raised his arm really slowly and it popped back in. His greatest fear was the anticipation of them putting it back in given how sore it had been and the time it had all taken. Poor thing had hours of agony and his whole demeanour changed to pure relief once she popped it back in. We both high fived her.
What was really touching was the support he got from his team mates, coach and parents, everyone stuck around waiting for the ambulance. My son high on gas provided much entertaintment with the comments he came up with..........one of which was equating his trauma with one of his teachers lessons
Dave I haD the same thing happen....my scrummie partner helped me pop it back in. After that it was unstable for a while.....your son shouldn't play for a long time. I eventually had some cortisone shots which reduced the irritation. It's a shame, but this is a slow recovery
Saffex that hurts like allmost in a physical way when its your kid out there ! Hope he's up and into it soon mate .Its tough being a parent and being on the sidelines watching that ,its why there are so many brawling parents at junior sports ,emotion runs high !
He has to go back to hospital tomorrow to find out how he is to best aid the recovery process and how long he will be out for.
His body will heal but my biggest concern is the mental side of things. Its was a terrible experience made worse by the duration of it all. Had it been popped in there and then he would have suffered little, instead he had hours of discomfort thanks to a lack of properly trained medical staff pitchside and budget cuts leading to less ambulances available. Poor showing really.
But as I said its his mental state that concerns me when next he takes contact. The game has to be played with 100% physical and mental conviction, I just hope this experience does not lead to him losing that conviction.
Its times like this when you realise that they are still just kids, he has only just turned 16, is playing 1st team rugby, but he cried in pain and was openly scared of the prospect of them popping it back in.
Its all so sad as we have his schools rugby festival in 5 weeks time where all the best schools in the UK come play for a weekend and its such an honour to play in that.......at the moment it looks like he will miss that unless 5 weeks is enough time to recover.
My shoulder used to be sore for a good week after it popped but I am sure I used to play the following Saturdays...........but we will know tomorrow
I watched the Leicester game, he played well. But that was a crazy game too....Tom Youngs was Yellow Carded for being pushed over by a team mate !! Austin Healey was getting rather annoyed by the Ref, I have to say. I'll keep my eye out for him, Rooinek.
The angst after injury is one thing we dealt with in Sports Psych. It's difficult to overcome that fear, some never do and no-one should ever judge anyone for that.
But it's early days. And, once the pain subsides and you start to heal, a lot of us just want to get back out and get cracking on again :) No-one should force it. Just have to talk around the subject and ease the conversation along into the fear of what may or may not happen. The problem is, one can never make guarantees.
The poor boy had a horrible time though. And at least Saffex knows all about popped shoulders ! The poor love has had enough of those to last a lifetime.
My Mum dislocated her shoulder twice, she was 11. The village we live in doesn't have it's own Dr's Surgery still. First time, she had to walk with her Dad to have it put in. Second time, he made her cycle there on her own !! Poor little girl !! She said it is pure relief when it is popped back in, but the ache afterwards is horrid. In those days, they didn't give you any pain relief during or after.....she's only 65, by the way, not ancient...ha ha !! Just had to whack it in a sling. She was just out playing with the boys when she did it. Had to have stitches shortly after, in her chin, when she fell out of a tree !! Bit of a tomboy was my Mum :)
I cracked my collarbone, similar ache post injury, so I'm told. Nasty :(
