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Cricket ODI - Pakistan vs SA

Started by clevermike18 REPLIES344 VIEWS· 30 Oct 2013, 17:09
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Oct 2013, 17:09
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30 Oct 2013, 17:09#1

The latest SA score is 72 for 5 after 22 overs - what a disgrace.   Problem is the SA team is made up of all the wrong players - They have some really good test players - slow in batting run rates - and trying to turn them into ODI players - while also including some real failures of the past in the team.

 

The SA ODI series is on the go and a number of players drafted in has been weak in the local competition.

 

I would say the team should be as follows:-

 

1 Rilee  Rossouw

2 Quinton De Kock

3 Amla

4 De Villiers

5 Miller

6 Elgar

7 Duminy

8 Van der Merwe

9 McClaren

10 Steyn

11 Morkel

 

 

That will give them 6 batters (all big hitters of cricket balls), 4 all rounders (all big hitters), 2 spin bowlers and 4 fast and medium bowlers  - an ideal mix for ODI's.   Steyn and Morkel can all hit sixes and fours as well.

 

Whether you like it or not Smith, Ingram, and the rest of the squad are just not ODI players anymore or have never been.  

 

 

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
30 Oct 2013, 23:47
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30 Oct 2013, 23:47#2
....not so clever mike the chokers forum is down the bottom under the rugby forum... Seven thousand six hundred odd posts and you still haven't noticed it ...might be time to get your eye sight tested mate...
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Oct 2013, 00:21
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31 Oct 2013, 00:21#3
 Hey bry cy I might be wrong but arent the minnow black caps battling it out against the minnow bangladesh oaks?
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Oct 2013, 00:29
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31 Oct 2013, 00:29#4
 Hahaha. Beeno, you hit the nail on the head.

1st ODI: Bangladesh v New Zealand at Dhaka - Oct 29, 2013

Bangladesh 265 (49.5/50 ov); New Zealand 162 (29.5/33 ov, target: 206)

Bangladesh won by 43 runs (D/L method)

Scorecard | Commentary | Report | Article index (11) | Photo index (18)




1st Test: Bangladesh v New Zealand at Chittagong - Oct 9-13, 2013

New Zealand 469 and 287/7d; Bangladesh 501 and 173/3 (48.2 ov, target: 256)

Match drawn

Scorecard | Commentary | Article index (32) | Photo index (59)

2nd Test: Bangladesh v New Zealand at Dhaka - Oct 21-25, 2013

Bangladesh 282 and 269/3 (89 ov); New Zealand 437

Match drawn

Scorecard | Commentary | Article index (28) | Photo index (43)


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
31 Oct 2013, 00:58
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31 Oct 2013, 00:58#5
 Relax.................. the one day circus is just that  & the results remain a blur .  Does it bother anyone when we get the occasional pakslae from some minnow brigade at sevens ?
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Oct 2013, 01:09
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31 Oct 2013, 01:09#6
 I don't give  a flying  f... about one day stuff. To me cricket is  about test cricket and NZ could  not manage  more than  a draw.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Oct 2013, 09:17
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31 Oct 2013, 09:17#7
Too true windpomp - more egg for my good friend brycy.
Pakistan, chasing a modest 184 to win, were cruising along nicely at 165-4 but lost their last six wickets for just 17 runs off 39 balls to be bowled out for 182 in 46.3 overs.What says ou brycy now? Hahahahahahahahaha
But take a look a this decision that led to the dismissal of Faf! I dont know how to upload the clip but here is the Supersport reference:http://www.supersport.com/cricket/sa-team/news/131030/Proteas_rally_to_snatch_thriller

Was the ref a nz oak? Bwhahahaha ha





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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Oct 2013, 09:29
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31 Oct 2013, 09:29#8
 brycy will no doubt go on again about ball tampering but consiider this article by Haze on superpsot
Last time I checked you can't be half pregnant. You also can't be caught half ball-tampering.

The punishment handed down by match referee David Boon is confusing. All of the officials involved in the second test reported Faf du Plessis to the match referee for ball-tampering after the third day’s play in Dubai. He subsequently pleaded guilty to the charge of changing the condition of the ball and was handed a lenient fine.

This is where it all gets muddled. Following footage that went to air and was noticed by the television umpire, Paul Reiffel, the standing umpires immediately seized the ball, changed it and awarded five penalty runs to Pakistan.

That act alone screams guilty. If the umpires deemed the damage inflicted on the ball to be severe enough to act immediately and confiscate it as evidence, then surely the case is already half closed and the expected sentence severe.


No, wrong. We heard no more about the ball, let alone laid eyes on it, so none were the wiser regarding the damage, and Boon merely slapped Faf on the wrist. As has been pointed out, Harbhajan Singh was previously fined 15% of his match fee for wearing coloured shoe laces! Robbie Petersen and Adnan Akmal got the same fine as Faf for pushing and generally faffing around in the first test.

In a nutshell, although the zipper footage shown certainly looked incriminating, the team of umpires it seems overreacted.

If the act of ball-tampering happened, as it appears it did, surely the evidential damage to the ball would have backed up the claims. Clearly this was not the case and Faf played on.


The worrying aspect to me is that because of the poor handling of such a sensitive issue this time, some nefarious characters in the future might risk acting similarly, as a precedent of negligible punishment has now been set.

The umpires confiscated the ball. Evidence was presumed severe. Faf pleaded guilty. He did not contest the fine. No hearing took place. David Boon said there was no prolonged or deliberate effort to manipulate the condition of the ball.


I don't get it. Faf either did or didn't.

Well well well! Something very fishy here. Obvioulsy there was in the end no real evidence of the condition of the ball being altered by Fafs action. Why no real sanction for this serious offence? 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Oct 2013, 09:33
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31 Oct 2013, 09:33#9

Beeno

 

A fluke win - if ever there was one.  I am still disappointed by the batting performance of the Proteas - it really was dismal.    

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Oct 2013, 09:33
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31 Oct 2013, 09:33#10

Beeno

 

A fluke win - if ever there was one.  I am still disappointed by the batting performance of the Proteas - it really was dismal.    

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Oct 2013, 09:46
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31 Oct 2013, 09:46#11
 A gutsy performance ou maaaikie so give some credit please. You should know with ODI cricket one gets these days. L ets see how things go. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Oct 2013, 10:37
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31 Oct 2013, 10:37#12

Ceradyne and blobbok

 

Test cricket is appreciated by the connoisseurs - ODI's and 20 Over cricket is for the masses to enjoy.   Test cricket can be very boring - for matches lasting all of five days and often enough are draws because of weather conditions - and not really a spectator sport.  Without the more popular versions - cricket will not survive as a sport, much like the croquet of the past   Best advice - if you do not like it - it is obviously a personal opinion and you are welcome to it.

 

Most people are interested in all formats of cricket and the international competitions seems to indicate that.   There is no WC for test cricket - but such for other formats - showing how important those are in the cricket fraternity and the maintenance of the game as an international sport.   To be really competitive in cricket in all formats of the game is important - and we are not really up to scratch in the shorter versions of the game.   We should upgrade those versions as well - because without it we ultimately are going not to make the grade in World cricket.      

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Oct 2013, 16:37
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31 Oct 2013, 16:37#13
No Mike McClaren and v/d Merwe should not be in the side, both are crap  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Oct 2013, 17:32
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31 Oct 2013, 17:32#14

Saffex

 

I am open on that one on McClaren - why not Morris instead?  And who would you like as a second spin bowler that can also bat aggressively ?   

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Nov 2013, 16:43
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01 Nov 2013, 16:43#15

McClaren is just an average bowler who never fronts up with the bat, he is a sad excuse for am allrounder. Play Philander instead.

 

 

We don't need a second spinner as the SA spinners are all poor. JP Duminy does as good a job as any of our orthodox spinners and Tahir is our best bet as a test spinner.

 

 

Parnell is our best bet as a young allrounder, would rather see him in the side than McClaren or Morris.

 

 

I want to see de Lange back in the test squad as well and they need to invest in David Miller as a middle order test bat

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
01 Nov 2013, 17:31
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01 Nov 2013, 17:31#16
 Philander is past it. He is already 28. Time to get a 20 year old in his place.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Nov 2013, 17:43
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01 Nov 2013, 17:43#17
Vlag you are so fucking funny  
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
01 Nov 2013, 17:50
#18
01 Nov 2013, 17:50#18
 Thanks.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Nov 2013, 20:19
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01 Nov 2013, 20:19#19

My selections proven to be correct once more,   Ingram clean-bowled in second over - he is nowhere near international level.   Smith is batting way too slow - last time I looked he had 14 runs from 30 balls - when the run rate required is 4.2 - since then out for14 off 35 balls.   Duminy is not a no 3 batsman - his run rate at 3 is also atrocious when bating in that position.

 

Saffex

 

If Parnell could bowl more accurately and be more of a wicket taking bowler - I would agree with you.   He is not a frontline bowler - far too expensive and inaccurate.   Today was just another example.   I still think Morris is a better bet.  

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