Criminal stupidity has finally tanked the great Bok rugby machine...

No nation makes it harder for it's teams to succeed in the international rugby scene, and it now appears we have reached a tipping point....to quote the barmy warmers. 
We have appointed coaches in PdV and Coetzee, and among their supporting coaches who aren't as smart as their equivalents in our major competitors.
We have chosen and persisted with players who never had a prayer of being succesful internationals.....JJ, Reinach, Jantjies, Hendricks, Mvovo, Jaco Kriel, Mahoje, Mostert are examples. Players who may look good for a game or two but are simply too feeble to stand up in an AB test.
This flavour of the day penchant which pervades our rugby journalism and infects our fans has led to the current deconstruction of our team and the disastrous start to 2016.
 Mad hype abounds, eg at the start of the season about the gormless Du Preez twins, who subsequently were found to have hands of stone.

Then we have the quota tragedy, which anoints a raw player like Mahoje and creates a conspiracy around selection.....how can that build confidence and spirit. Just think back a few weeks to the hype about this kid.

Next we have the desire to play rugby just like NZ. England under Eddie are quite happy to play English rugby, which all their players get. We haven't even defined what this vague wish to play ball in hand rugby implies.....so they beat Oz, and we lose to them. Frankly English rugby as practiced by Jones suits our resources much better than AB rugby.
We could have had Jones, instead we have Coetzee....a pity.
 But whatever we do it has to be reflected in our major teams. We can't expect players playing with a more traditional approach to flip into the Lions game at national level. The national team is built on all our franchises ....not one franchise. 
Nor are there enough test potential players in that one franchise to form the core of a lasting national team...they were soundly beaten twice by the Canes, a team that is degrees weaker than the ABs.

We need much sharper thinking as the first priority, by our coaches and by our rugby reporters. If we continue to copy others or even the Lions and select the last player to have a good game, we will spiral down as we are currently doing.
It's a genuine crisis.

 This is a major crisis. And the written fallacies in the opening post can not cover it.

The crisis is the result of excellent men squandering SA resources to provide themselves with a luxurious life. Now the resources are gone.

The comparison to England is null for multiple reasons.

One is that England is still rich enough they can practise rugby as luxury. They do not aim to win because they can afford not to. Practising rugby in England is a net loss, it brings nothing, not even the honours of the victory. England though can still afford participating and not winning.

SA can no longer do that as so much resources were squandered to build a face.
SA rugby must win or no longer be.

Another is that England, like some other nations, are closer to complete the SA non white player quotas than SA is.
This is bewildering.
Rugby in England is played in private schools that are not filled up to the eyes with non white people. England starts with much less capital and yet manage to convert way more.

As days pass by, it is growing harder and harder to justify the professional rugby practice in SA.

Does it make the country richer? No.It is a bottomless pit that rushed the squandering of resources.

Does it bring honour? No. SA rugby is loser rugby. SA cant ape AB rugby (the winner rugby) or think of another rugby to win.

Does it represent the country? No. Training is poor in SA. Way too poor considered the means still allocated to it. Too many countries are doing better.

The reasons to keep doing XV rugby in SA are scarce. Time to stop the train wreck.

 What a crock of sh!t T!

 Unbelievable what some chaps believe.....life in a fog.

 Rugby is played in a lot of non private schools and since the 2015 rugby world cup there has been more inner city schools playing the great game. 

 Mr T amazes me, another example of spouting "opinions" with no regard for facts driven purely by prejudice. Most smart people at least try to use facts to support their opinion & try & validate the"facts". So I write thetraditionalist off as a lunatic whose only value is to make Beeno seem sane. 

 I blame crystal meth for Mr T's hypothesizing .......he couldn't write like that if he stuck to the weed .

 Mozart - back to your rant.   You left out Meyer from the list of dolts we had since 2008 as coaches.  You carry on about players who are test material - but left out those of the players Meyer used and stopped being test material years ago.   Please add Matfield, Alberts, Jannie du Plessis, Morne Steyn and at east 5 others to your list - then we will have clarity on the problems we face in rugby.   The main problem is that Meyer and De Villiers did squat to develop a reasonable and decent squad of players.    You said we reached that  tipping point now - while in fact we reached that point from the EOYT in 2014 and in the tests in 2015.   Remember Japan where Meyer fielded the most experienced team ever - and the experienced players flopped.   That was the tipping point!!!!!!!!!!!    

 It has a corrosive effect we can't really gauge. Where have the Jannie Englebrechts, Ray Mordts, Gert Mullers gone? We always produced big fast wings....today a player like Muller would struggle to get picked because of his colour. At what stage does this talent exit the system, in many cases before the public is even fully aware of their potential.....corrosive.

We are all big mouthed and full of bravado on this site, but here is the kicker! We are all talk and no action! We are all p!ssed off with the quota BS, but tell me this, how many of us here didn't turn on the tele and subscribe to the product they were selling us? You see, blacks and whites play the victim so well in this country, but I can tell you all one thing. We whities know sweet farckall about protesting! We seem to believe we have some sort of superiority, but what exactly has the rugby public done in the form of a protest? We biatch amongst ourselves, but FFS, we still sell out stadiums when the Boks play, we still invite all our mates over for a braai to watch the rugby on TV etc etc. 
Stop their cash flow, and they'll stop the bullshart. Until then, shut the fark up, and enjoy the crock of shart the rest of the world calls rugby! 
...and before you all start calling me this and that, notice I say " we"...including myself.    

mozart

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September 14, 2016, 14:13:59

At what stage does this talent exit the system, in many cases before the public is even fully aware of their potential.....corrosive.

 

That is a very sad reality

 Rugby is played in a lot of non private schools and since the 2015 rugby world cup there has been more inner city schools playing the great game.

Amazing the mental contorsions people are ready to get into.

Players playing for England are somewhat 20 years old. It means that their training happened 10 years ago at least.

2015? That is one year from now. It should be believed that a change in trend already bore fruit?

 Mr T amazes me, another example of spouting "opinions" with no regard for facts driven purely by prejudice. Most smart people at least try to use facts to support their opinion & try & validate the"facts".

Facts are observed, not validated. Theories are what is validated.

Smart people usually make themselves appear smart by:
-avoiding to deny obvious facts
-managing to deny facts credibly.

None of this is achieved in the quoted comment.

England has a far better conversion rate than SA. The number of non white players in the english squad is disproportionate when compared to the number of non white players in the SA.

People are free to believe that in England there are more non white people playing rugby than there are in SA.

TheTraditionalist

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September 16, 2016, 14:25:40

 Mr T amazes me

He is getting old now though.

He was at his best when he was in "The A Team"