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Criticism of Morne' Steyn - Who was our best 10, and why?

Started by MonsterBok7 REPLIES612 VIEWS· 17 Sept 2014, 04:36
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MO
MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
17 Sept 2014, 04:36
#1
17 Sept 2014, 04:36#1

Hi all,

I too share that same view of most on this forum regarding Morne' Steyn, he clearly doesn't tick all the boxes when it comes to the perfect 10. I'm interested to hear from anyone willing to comment on who they thought was our best 10 and Why?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Sept 2014, 12:12
#2
17 Sept 2014, 12:12#2
 Monstrbok
This is a rather open issue you raised here.   Are you referring to the present scenario only or going back in history in asking that question?   
I have started having serious doubts about morne Steyn many years ago.   In the final of the Under 21 Worls Cup in Argentina - I think it was in 2002 or 2003 - I saw Morne the first time playing at flyhalf.   He had an absolute shocker in that game and nearly cost us victory - for instance he did not convert a single kick at goal.   Our Juniors was the better team - Delport and Ruan Pienaar were top notch at scrummie - and we scored valuable tries - enabling us to win.  Morne had all the problems with his kicking out of hand game that became endemic in later years.   Where he did immprove was his kicking at goal - the rest of his game showed zero improvement or the years.  
Morne's main problem is in the mind more than anything else.  He really has decisionj-making problems and in some cases execution.   He has to eb told in advance what to do druing games.   If h is told a kicking game is required - hw would kick every ball he gets and never consider other alternatives.   If he is told in advance a passing game is required - he would pass the abll despite the ened to from time to time kicking may become essential.   In essence a robotic player - who can be countered with ease by opponents - the lack of variation remains a serious probem in th case of Morne.   
Desp[ite all the criticism of Goosen and Lambie on this site - they do have a better understanding and reading of the game than Morne - but they have their own deficiencies as well.    However, in essence both are better all-round flyhalfs than Morne. 
I think Morne has shown a serious deficiency - that has bedevilled his game furhter over the past year - a tendency to not find touch when kicking penalty line kciks.  It cost us badly in the past and was a disaster against the Australians.   The other problem is that Morne is already 30 years of age and he is not going to improve in future - it is more likely that his game will keep deteriorating.
I cannot see Morne playing a furth er role in Springbok rugby and I doubt whether he will in fact be in the EOYT squad of Meyer.    
    
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Sept 2014, 15:45
#3
17 Sept 2014, 15:45#3

Our best 10's are Goosen, Lambie and Pollard for the simple reason they all posses an allround game.........all have good rugby brains, have the ability to attack or set up an attack, are solid defenders and have good boots.

 

Morne on the otherhand only had a good boot and that's where it ended - hopefully we will NEVER see him play for the Boks again

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Sept 2014, 15:48
#4
17 Sept 2014, 15:48#4
 Best 10's what?
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Sept 2014, 01:02
#5
18 Sept 2014, 01:02#5
Totally with most of you regarding Steyn. He did have a good spell where kicked really well, as we all know. Though as far as every other aspect of his game goes i have never felt he was on par or even close. It's a dire situation when one prefers Jaintjies...and goodness knows i ain't a fan of that guy. 
Lambie is a tricky one for me due to last years horrid performances, even when kicking for touch from penalties, during the Sharks Super 15 campaign. I've still not had my faith in him restored.
Currently i'd go for Pollard, then Boshoff. And finally Frans Steyn. Yeah i know kinda left field but i like what he did at the Sharks this year and i felt Jake White used him well. 
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
18 Sept 2014, 02:21
#6
18 Sept 2014, 02:21#6
 Plum agree with your selection.
My best #10 of recent times was Honeyball.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 Sept 2014, 02:31
#7
18 Sept 2014, 02:31#7
Someone posted this on another forum in July:

"So, I tried to check up on some of the figures in general, just to confirm a suspicion I had about certain people's perspectives (Perceptions once again)

 

I am including some other names from the past, when we played less tests too, to make the comparisons complete

 

Most tests:

1. (56) Morne Steyn

2. (42) Butch James

3. (35) Henry Honiball

4. (32) Jaco vd Westhuyzen

5. (32) Pat Lambie

6. (31) Andre Pretorius

7. (28) Naas Botha

... (25) Piet Visagie

... (22) Joel Stransky

... (13) Jannie de Beer

... (10) Hansie Brewis

 

Not bad for a useless player in such an important position.

 

Averages, as a totals comparison is not really fair to anyone.

Points scored per game:

1. (13.9) Jannie de Beer

2. (11.7) Morne Steyn (660 points total)

3. (11.14) Naas Botha (second most total points for a flyhalf 312)

4. (10.9) Joel Stransky

5. (5.4) Andre Pretorius

6. (5.2) Piet Visagie

7. (4.46) Henry Honiball

... (2.1) Pat Lambie

... (1.6) Johan Goosen

 

An interesting point here, is that in his last 13 starts, Morne Steyn's average was 13.38, which indicates an improvement, directly opposed to the alleged "slump in form"... If I include his few minutes (5) as fullback replacement, it is 12.42 points per game average over the last 14 matches.

We can also add the fact that the average number of tries scored by the Springboks in Morne's last 13 starts was 4 per match (52 tries in total).

 

 

Average tries scored per match:

1. (0.27) Joel Stransky

2. (0.24) Piet Visagie

3. (0.15) Jannie de Beer

4. (0.15) Jaco vd Westhuyzen

5. (0.143) Morne Steyn

6. (0.1) Hansie Brewis

7. (0.07) Butch James

8. (0.07) Naas Botha

... (0.03) Pat Lambie

... (0) Johan Goosen

 

In terms of numbers, Morne scored 8 tries, Piet Visagie and Joel Stransky 6, Jaco vd Westhuyzen 5.... And the great running flyhalf Homiball a full one! Even Honiball's sub (Franco Smith), scored 2...

 

Another interesting point from this, is that Danie Craven had the following to say about probably our best running flyhalf, ever (Piet Visagie)... "He reminded me of Tony Harris in many ways - a player who seldom broke but when he did, it usually led to a try."

(I selected Visagie because he only played against the top rated teams and never played against the "weaker" teams like Argentina, Italy, Samoa, etc.)

 

I was was going to make certain deductions from these figures, but I will leave it up to you to make up your own minds about these players."


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Sept 2014, 03:10
#8
18 Sept 2014, 03:10#8
No amount of stats will change the fact that morne is a very average rugby player who made a career out of being a good boot.
Offers next to nothing with ball in hand and his defence has got progressively worse.
He should never have won a single bok cap
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