Crusaders Consider Name Change

The Crusaders are open to discussing a potential name change following the mass shooting at two mosques in Christchurch that killed 50 people.

The Canterbury-based club adopted their name 23 years ago when rugby went professional, but questions have been raised over its associations with the medieval religious wars between Christians and Muslims since the attacks.

The franchise, which has won a record nine Super Rugby titles, issued a statement on Saturday defending the name but chief executive Colin Mansbridge said on Sunday they were open to initiating discussions about a change, in time.

“The first thing for us is things are still fairly raw,” Mansbridge told TVNZ on Sunday.

“We’re in a state of shock. We’ll acknowledge the feedback we’ve had. It is appropriate.

“In the context of what’s happened it is pretty hard to sort of elevate this conversation at the moment.

“We’ve heard it... and we do want to have a conversation about it.”

The Crusaders’ clash with the Highlanders in Dunedin on Saturday was cancelled after discussions between the teams and police.

The third cricket Test between New Zealand and Bangladesh, that was due to start in Christchurch on Saturday, was cancelled after the tourists narrowly avoided being caught up in the shooting.

New Zealand’s top professional football team, the Wellington Phoenix, did play their A-League match with the Western Sydney Wanderers on Sunday.

The side commemorated one of those killed, Kuwait-born Atta Elayyan, the goalkeeper for the New Zealand futsal team.

“My heart goes out to the futsal community,” said New Zealand Football chief executive Andrew Pragnell.

“They are a very tight-knit group and this news of Atta’s death will be devastating for all involved in the game. We feel their pain and their grief.”

All Blacks captain Kieran Read had earlier urged his fellow New Zealanders to reject bigotry and support the country’s Muslim community after the shooting.

“That this hate filled atrocity has happened in our back yard is beyond words,” Read, who was caught up in the city centre lockdown at his daughters’ school on Friday as police searched for the gunman, wrote on his Instagram account.

“Our strength lies in our diversity and while acts such as this are orchestrated in an attempt to divide us, love and unity will always prevail.”

FoxSports.com.au

It's this kind of pandering that is making Westerners such easy pickings. 

I was wondering when the "Crusaders " name would become an issue. Strange that it took such an extreme event to start off such a discussion.  When will the name of the city be too offensive as well?

So right Organhuffer. This comment reveals how thoroughly brainwashed the nz public is by Globalist brain washing: “Our strength lies in our diversity and while acts such as this are orchestrated in an attempt to divide us, love and unity will always prevail.” How much diversity is allowed in islamic counties"? These mongs had better starting thinking a bit more.

Open borders and multiculturalism are key policies of the globalists as they seek to destroy nation states. The Europeans are now rebelling against the destruction of their countries.

nz of course is a back water and it will take time for the oaks there to wake up.

They could change the name to the caliphate crumpets?

Draad its about to become Mohammedmosque in time. Wonder how Cloudy will look in her burka.

She still trying to say we agree with the killings. No we don't but we are deeply aware of the threat islam represent . How dumb do you get. Remarkable really. Shows the scary power of brain washing. Poor Cloudy is a slave to Globalist propaganda. Probably walking around right now in her hijab.

What has happened in Europe and America and indeed around the world in respect of Jihad is not propaganda and neither are the clear teaching of the Quoran that advocate Jihad. This is just like the fools in Hitlers day refusing to take Mein Kampf seriously.

By the way its come out now the loon doing the shooting hates Trump.

Diversity is codeword for ethnic cleansing. When will we see Islam (which means "submission") be held into account for its mandate to entirely eradicate all of humanity who refuses to fall under its submission? Remember, Muhammad taught that we are all born Muslim, thus any who are not thereafter are apostates. Apostasy is punishable by death as they are not classified under Qu'ran as innocent. It's their mission to impose this submission. A Mosque isn't merely a place of worship either, it's the governing body of a Muslim community by which an entirely separate legal system supersedes any local jurisdiction. It's also where jihad is orchestrated, and where Saudi Arabia has spent millions (most likely billions over the years) all over the world to prepare these Islamic centres for their holy war. 

This is in fact a topic raised previously by Cloudy and she agreed with me about my contribution:-

"That would be absolutely wrong - one should not try and match political correctness sayings - especially based on what radical Muslims wanted done -  in a totally non-religious environment, .  That has nothing to do with  rugby at all and match the kind of thing happening when politicians interfere with sport such as the case is in SA - here Whites are discriminated against and murdered in their homes after torture and raped of especially women."        

Extremists are such romantics. Always the glorious dream of civil war, that noble struggle where they quickly shoot the shit out of whoever opposes them and then go home to their families to live peacefully in the newly created utopia.

Really Beeno....you don't agree with the Muslim killings but cheered when 185 Canterburians died in an earthquake? Got it.”

They have both been singing from the same hymm book, Mein Kampf.

As a side note beenshit wants to remind everyone that the next meeting is on Tuesday night at 7:30pm, dont forget your white sheets and anyone late for the cross burning will be fined 50 SA pesos 

In other news blacks are now welcome as long as they hate Muslims as they have found someone else to hate even more.

It still goes without saying no women are allowed along to these gatherings as they hate it when the room of 500 twats has a total IQ that exceeds 42 because when this happens they lose the ability to think like sheep

Seig Heil Fuhrer Beenshit

Cloudy, Beeno never cheered people lost in the earthquake or made light of the loss of life. ..he made a silly reference about the Allblacks quaking in their boots shortly after the earthquake. It was insensitive and completely un-tactful, but also not what he is being accused of.

I se e some people having to make some hard choices in the not too distant future. 

Barbarians....yuk, that needs a change as well....

Really Beeno....you don't agree with the Muslim killings but cheered when 185 Canterburians died in an earthquake? Got it.

Cloudy you are Ihnorant real basket case. You obviously don't know that I made a post expressing my sincere condolences to the people of Christ Church. But of course I did make a post saying I hoped the wee abs would be quaking in their boots when they next met the Mighty Boks. Two entirely separate post for which I offer NO apology. Long may the wee abs quake last!

Poor old Cloudy, she has just made an absolutely terrible accusatIon that sImply wont stIck because the people there at the tIme know its all total BS. Bhahahahahhahahahahaha keep dIggIng the hole you are now in!!!!

Cloudy fudges fudges matters all the tIme and refuses to see the truth starIng her In the face.

Sorry Cloudy I shouldn't mock these great Muslim traditions you so heartily encourage. 

How hilarious it would be for you to spend a few years in Iran and then watch to see you abjectly apologize to all here for your abysmal foolishness. 

You don't know what you are embracing Cloudy. Your nai vity is astounding and no facts are allowed to penetrate that head of yours. Hope you don't lose it one day. 

Sorry Cloudy I shouldn't mock these great Muslim traditions you so heartily encourage. 

How hilarious it would be for you to spend a few years in Iran and then watch to abjectly apologize to all here for your abysmal foolishness. 

You don't know what you are embracing Cloudy. Your nativity is astounding and no facts are allowed to penetrate that head of yours. Hope you don't lose it one day. 

Seems to me our good friend Cloudy is up the creek without a paddle. 

Love the spirit she has but my is she misguided. The product no doubt of a nz globalist "education"  

Cloudy enjoy your cuppa. You need time out to consider all the facts presented to you. Carefully consider all the points I made, it could lead to your becoming a far wiser woman. 

The attempts to educate poor Cloudy continues but is she learning anything

Cloudy you are a positive person but alas it's positively crazy

Hahahahaha. 

Cloudy I suppose I have to let you know I don't hate kbbs but love to wind them up. Their indignation is priceless. 

But also to say you guys are being led by the noze by globalist propaganda which will end the nz you now cherish. 

Cloudy  - Dear Girl

I am not a radical - but rather interested in history,   In fact I dislike radicalism on all things.   However, I am also a realist.   Will there amongst the radicals and their do-good friends a new campaign to change the game of Christchurch because it is a "Christian abomination".

Even though it may not be supported by the local Muslims - they have no choice when the Muslim leadership  decide on a jihad.   They have to obey or die.   So will the new name for Christchurch be Medina????   

Well, how about Londonistan ... not to mention all the name changes we have had here in the oh so wonderful new SA.

Westerners don't have the faintest idea what they are dealing with. Their understanding of the Middle East and its history is appalling, all the more frustrating given they are so keen to poke their noses into their affairs.

Islam has itself to blame for this atrocity. How can one be a moderate Muslim? Can you be a moderate Ku Klux Klans man? How can you be part of a mandate to exterminate the entire planet and feel aggrieved when you become a target? Then to start demanding concessions from the country you dwell in? Go to any Islamic country, make any kind of request for them to make concessions for you and see what happens. I collected data throughout 2017, many thousands of people were murdered by Mulims around the world, nobody could speak out about it. A couple of mosques are attacked in New Zealand and now you must suppress your culture to make them happy. It's sickening. I have no respect for people who go along with this. 

Welcome back to another year of under performing aussie rugby... or is it? That Saffa ref certainly helped the Lions over the Rebels on Saturday night thats for sure...

Re Name Changes I hadn't even thought of this angle I guess sad state of political correctness that has gripped our society.

As a neutral party looking on with sympathy to all involved - I can't help but see the irony (or planning?) that this 'revenge attack' on muslims occurred in "Christchurch" with a Rugby team named "The Crusaders" who have been largely dominate over the years...

Crazy world - peace out

Redsman.

redsman

Welcpme back - hope you are fine.

Just one observation.     So three days after the hideous Christchurch attack we have the equally hideous attack on a bus in  Utrecht in the Netherlands by a certain Gokmen  Tanis from Turkey - killing 3 people.    The initial reports indicated four people was involved, but only one arrest was made,

Heavens help the Dutch Government - they already has a serious political problem - and here an attack took place by a Muslim on innocent people,   But it is not a terrorist attack, or so the Dutch Government will be forced to claim coming  two months before the EU Parliament elections and the Dutch politically correct Government parties facing a wipe out if it is admitted as a terrorist attack,  

The world is going crazy as was stated above.            

D uplication

Redsman, you need to cut Cheika loose, like an unruly brumby turned loose to its natural abode. 

@Herr Mike: All of this stirring is not with a guiding hand. The name of the game is a global conflict. A world war. The plan is for Israel and the Arab world to mutually destroy each other, dragging the entire world into the conflict. Out of the ashes will be their grorious nu empire: their "New World Order". As they say, it'll be the thousand points of light of the New Golden Age - in reality 7 flickers of scheiß. The globalists are awaiting their Maitreya, who is the Mahdi of Islam, the Vishnu of Hinduism, the Sananda of Theosophy (blonde hair, blue eyed false Yeshua), the Lucifer of Luciferians (real Biblical name Heylel ) et al. You get the picture. 

Did you ever hear of the new monetary system in India? It's a trial run for all of humanity. For their cashless society. Very disturbing. 

Heck Organhuffer you really do know your stuff. 

I don't get into that stuff here but have warned against the coming NWO and the rule of anti christ for 42 months as per Revelations. 

The Globalist Luciferians have been claiming for some time Maitreya is already here - decades ago I heard this and read some books on it. 

Now I just hope that the  very ignorant prat  ou Sharkbokkie doesn't butt in here.   Did you know this mampara thought Christ was crucified on Christmas day. The very ignorant loon loves to disparage Christianity from a position of complete i gnorance. In fact I would go as far as to say he is as blissfully ignorant as poor rooitwit.

Yes indeed Organhuffer the technology for having a cashless society is now all in place as is the technology to implement the Mark of the Beast. 

When you take the reestablishment of Israel, the Globalist attempts to move towards a one world government, the rise of the whore church, the political alignment of nations against Israel all together then one realizes we are far down the prophetic road, seven year period of  tribulation etc. That said it could be soon or some decades away but the biblical signs of the times are there there in clear view. 

Ou sharkbokkie is asking around what is this Bible being spoken about. Whatever it teaches I don't agree. 

I see a bitterness in the attacks. I wonder what the nature of that bitterness is. When dealing with atheists, you first have to teach them about their beliefs and then what Christianity is. They can't quite separate cultural/biblical Christianity or paganism from one another. This affects their understanding of thousands of years of history spanning the entire globe. 

It becomes easier when they take up the position of morality; a very common tactic. Then one must remind them that pure atheism cannot manifest without the total abolition of any moral code. If there is no creator, there is no reason for our existence. There is no meaning of life. There is also no value to it, and no reason to concern ourselves with any kind of consequence outside of our material existence. Who is to say what is right or wrong? Morality becomes a social construct of the weak, impeding the strong from full asserting their strength. A mental shackle. Murder, theft, rape et al are just the byproducts of our struggle for survival to carry on our genetic heritage. This brings us back to The Book of the Law:

"Do what thou wilt, and let that be the whole of the law."

Right back to Devil worship; a relative perspective of reality and a hearkening back to Genesis:

"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

The deification of mankind. 

Needless to say, total atheism is the most dangerous of all belief systems. Albert Pike, the much revered Grand Master Mason, stated that a devastating social cataclysm would ensue, and the atheists would be unleashed. This to make a spectacle of absolute atheism. Only then would the pure doctrine of Lucifer be unveiled. It's remarkable how it has al played out.

Wasn't there a name change in the States with a team with a Red Indian name?

The Washington Redskins. No, though there is an outcry from non-Indians. The NFL franchise owner said it would never happen, and I believe it's family run. So, it's very unlikely to happen . It's funny how privileged white tweens feel they are entitled to take on these issues on behalf of the little man. 

Tx Card.