CWC lessons for our RWC

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Jun 05, 2019, 15:39

The Proteas are experiencing another terrible start vs India. The top order totally imploded again. Maybe Rabada can make a match of it, but it seems unlikely. How did we get into this mess.....once again under performing our ranking:

1 Firstly we haven't got enough competitors in this team......guys who really welcome the pressure. Faf maybe, Tahir....who else. That's why we need guys like Willie, Faf de Klerk, Etzebeth and Louw in the team

2 Small deer in the headlights types like De Kock and Duminy will be smaller and more frozen at a WC. Quintie could have been out 5 times today. He should bat at 6 like the slogger he is.....move the ball and he is undone. Read Jantjies, Papier, Kleintjie Kriel.

3 Don't over play the old pros coming into the WC....Steyn clearly put too much pressure on his dicky shoulder. He could have made a difference. Let's not do the same thing to Vermeulen.

4 WCs are no place for frivolity.....van der Dussen should never have been playing a reverse sweep at that critical stage. The Boks should mostly take their points....our mauls aren't working that well.

Above all, the Proteas were dismissive of the Banglies....but when the pressure came on we imploded. Respect each opponent....but be determined to take them apart. When you only have 7 or so matches you have to play each like it's the last.

In truth the Proteas couldn't count on beating India and the Poms.....but they had to put the Banglies away. Likewise the Boks can't count on beating the ABs in the pools...but they have to put away the rest of the pool ruthlessly.

Jun 05, 2019, 16:29

 Lesson number 1

Never pick reputation players without real performance credentials Meyer style  -  selection should never imply a holiday in the UK and in the  case of rugby in Japan with only performers having to play game after game. 

Lesson number 2

Don't pick rugby geriatrics and layer who have nor play any real rugby over an extended period.   Therefore Amla, Steyn and Duminy should never have been in the team.  Avoid an selection recommended by Mozart like the plague - they would always FAIL

Lesson number 3

When Mozart criticize players watch out - they are better than the duds he praises.     

Jun 05, 2019, 22:16

Oh boy ....what we wouldn't give for HMs results at the CWC. Smith, Kallas, Morkel, Steyn....gone, and not before so-called fans agitated for their departure. Only to be replaced by this lot....only 35 year old Faf looks at all like he belongs

Jun 06, 2019, 02:49

What have Smith and Kallas done at WC's bar failure.   They were not under d9iscussion anyway - what was were your constant criticism of the players who actually performs.   And now Du Plessis the one player that missed a sitter catch today is being praised and the player with the highest batting score average is being criticized by you.

 Are you always a fool or just sometimes?

Jun 06, 2019, 03:30

'The player with the highest average is criticized by you'.....not so......I have not criticized van der Dussen. Get your facts straight you dumb old fool.

Jun 06, 2019, 07:37

The problem we have with our cricket (apart from quotas) is the reliance of the elderly to do what they clearly cannot.

It has cost us dearly in rugby over the years and the call to pursue this foolishness further will result in yet another disappointing rugby WC.

The only way forward is to target the youth and to select on merit.


Jun 06, 2019, 09:27


Mozart is set on selecting the elderly and useless and that remains his obsession - remember what happened in the WC squad in 2015.

Jun 06, 2019, 09:32


You have never criticized Van der Dussen - how about the following:-

How many centuries has De Kock made in ODI's compare to the Great Graeme Smith - dimness?  

And you never criticized  Van der Dussen - how about the following:-

"4 WCs are no place for frivolity.....van der Dussen should never have been playing a reverse sweep at that critical stage. The Boks should mostly take their points....our mauls aren't working that well."

Now poor Dale Steyn who has not played in anything bar one game in  2019 is "putting too much pressure on his shoulder.   First of all he should NEVER have been in the squad anyway,

Jun 06, 2019, 10:14

It is a perpetual cycle where the coaches are forced to pick players of colour. What happens is that you players of colour who the talent are thrusted into the team with never proving themselves or having gone through a few low points to build mental strength.

The politicians need to calm down with there demands and allow our sporting bodies to nurcher our raw talent.

On the proteas. There is not a single player in that team that shouts world class except for Radebe. But he had been overplayed completely.

None of them have proven they can cope with the pressure.

Jun 06, 2019, 16:23

I was dead right in that comment van der Dussen should never have been playing that reverse sweep. He was well set, need for a high risk stroke.

That's not a criticism of his capabilities. He has looked comfortable out there.....Quintie has been an absolute deer in the headlights the last two games.

De Kock has a poor record in WCs, averaging 21 and being out for 10 or less half the time.

Put him at 6 where his slogging has a chance.

Jun 06, 2019, 16:40

No criticism of Van der Dussen - LMAO 

Jun 06, 2019, 18:17

Quintie.....a 73% strike rate. I remember the day when you were all over Amla for a 90% strike rate. De Kock a small chappie looking smaller.

Jun 06, 2019, 19:53

Moz, lots of what you say is on the money, but to deride QdK is absurd. Probably the best opener in ODI's ATM. He wins more matches than he loses. He is not the problem ATM. Faf's minor successes as a captain went to his head too soon and JP should have stopped playing three years ago. wasn't good enough for years.

Our problem lies in how cricket is managed in this country, no accountability. and no grit..I guarantee you, if they give this team to Graeme Smith to coach, with absolutely no interference, we will be the best in the world in less than 2 years and probably win the next WC. We need discipline...ons ouens is slapgat en windgat.

Jun 06, 2019, 21:30

Not in the ODIs that count Draad, as he is showing us again at the WC. At home, against average bowling Quintie is a world beater....not so much at the WC.

Because I see his flaws doesn't mean I'm deriding him Draad....for a small guy with dubious technique he has done well. I just have no faith he'll come through when it counts.

Our problem is grit, but that's up to the players....could the Proteas have come back from 5 for 79 to score 288 against the Windies....and it took one of the great catches by Cotterel to limit them to that.

Jun 07, 2019, 14:00

Same as Smith and Amla - both were useless ion the WC's they played in - but never a word about their problems.    Amla did very well for a while - but in the last two years the magic is gone.  Smith lasted four years until he got found  out by the bowlers and then went sour fo9r 6 years before he was dropped from the squad.

Your attacks on De Kock started in 2013 and has been going on unabated for 6 years - grow up please.    

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