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Dagg might make a move to the Chiefs & Nonu not wanted by the Highlanders

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Dagg might make a move to the Chiefs

A three-week ban for a dangerous tackle means Ma'a Nonu's Super Rugby season is over, and he may have played his last game for the Highlanders, with the southern franchise not keen on having him back.

Crusaders fullback Israel Dagg is another senior All Black looking to move, possibly to the Chiefs.

Dave Rennie has seven spots to fill for next year's Chiefs squad, and he's open to one of those being taken by Dagg.

"We're well aware of his situation, that's he's keen for a change, but whether we've got room in our group is the question," says Rennie.

The All Blacks fullback was talked out of moving to the Chiefs last year by the Crusaders' senior players, and the coaches expect him back next year.

"According to my spreadsheet, he's contracted to us," says Crusaders assistant coach Tabai Matson.

He is, but it's understood there's a clause that allows him to shift franchises, with the Blues and Chiefs the most likely destinations.

The options are thin for Nonu though. He was sacked by the Hurricanes two years ago, walked out on the Blues last year and may now have played his last game for the Highlanders.

The Chiefs are holding a spot open, but that's for Sonny Bill Williams.

"Bundee's going great guns for us," says Rennie. "We've got guys like Andrew Horewell, Charlie Ngatai, and Tim Nanai-Williams can play there as well, so we've got a fair bit of flexibility around that position and it's pretty tight."

The Crusaders need some punch in their backline and with Richie McCaw set to play a full season next year. Nonu might play for the red-and-blacks as he does for the All Blacks.

"We haven't spoken about him at all – no," says Matson.

Matson wasn't impressed with Nonu's ill discipline against the Crusaders – red carded then banned for three weeks, and an off-field yellow card for a dangerous tackle on Dan Carter.

"I can't comment on someone else's mental state, and probably in one incident he clearly had a brain fart and has to pay the consequences," says Matson.

Meanwhile McCaw's not expected to return to the Crusaders until the playoffs. A club game next weekend is probably his first match this year.

two huge possible movements for prominent All Blacks, first regarding dagg, i hope that dagg does leave the crusaders for the chiefs and in the process i hope two things happen, one the chiefs win it this year and then never again while they have dagg and two, the crusaders finally win another super rugby title to add to their collection which is already the best in the comp bar none.

when dagg left the hihglanders for the crusaders, the trade off was the hihglanders got colin slade, big whopp, its not hard to tell who got the better deal there.
i will always cheer for NZ teams, but i do feel for the higlanders who get their players pillaged by the other frnahcises more often then not, so a little payback on the crusaders would make me go tehehehehe, :oP
i wonder if dagg is moving though cos he feels he can better win a title with the chiefs then he can with the crusaders, not unresaonable considering the retirment of the two greatest players in the modern era king richie and dan carter are on the horizon, then again he does have a connectiuon with rennie smith who was his tutor back in the rugby academy and rennie has hure rapport with his players, its why robbie robinson left the highlanders and cruden left the chiefs.

but as for the nonu dramas, i think tabai matson should just keep his big overrated mouth shut, stupid assitant needs to know his place.
nonu is a game breaker, but i can understand why the rumours about him not being wanted by the highlanders might be true, though i donth think this has any merit as jamie jospeh and nonu have a pretty good wellington connection.
with tamtai ellsion leaving the highlanders after the super rugby season, highlanders cant afford to lose nonu, but i guess nonu hasnt done himself any favours.

if hammet wasnt such a fuckwit, i would love to see nonu back at the hurrivanes, IMO they are missing a physical ball crasher and bateman who has bee their 12 of choice in 2013 has been found wanting many times, especially against the bigger oppopnents who have treated him like a speed bump and nothing more.

IMO all nonu needs is that experienced player whos own aura and rugby image is just as big if not bigger then nonus, someone like carter inside him or conrad outside of him, its no coincidence that nonu always playes exceptionally well for the All Blacks and not super rugby and IMO this is part of the reason why.

interesting to see that the choefs are still holding out for SBW, foxsport released an item not long ago saying that SBW had agreed to another handshake agreement with the roosters.
the problems that crusaders are having with fruean would make nonu very valuable IMO, imagine nonu under the crusaders enviroment, it brought out the best in rua tipoki when he had his short stint there, no reason why it cant do the same for nonu.
at the end of the day, while his superXv form may not show it, nonu has tremendous value and if the right person cou;d harness his nonu power, their faith would be repaid 100 times back, hes always repaid us All Blacks fans, that should be ebough of a reason IMO.

Gods blessings be with u nonu, ur still a legend in my books, :o)

@mikey,

it will be interesting to see what the chiefs do but ive got no doubt what so ever that if they could they would sign dagg up in a heart beat, anscombe maybe the better form in spXV, but israel dagg is a proven All Black level star, check out test 2 and 3 against the french to see dagg was back to his best and know one in their right mind would pass on the opportunity to get dagg back in their squad.

as for anscombe, he was signed on a one year contract i beleiev and cos he plays ITM for auckland, the blues will get first crack at him next time round in 2014. this means kirwan if hes smart will sign up anscombe and make him the blues marquee flyhalf. noakes has been good, but hes got big problems in his game whcih anscombe under the guidance of rugby guru dave rennie has developed nicely.
chiefs also have robbie robinson who has played himself back into the incumbancy IMO and rennie is now spoilt for choice when it comes to selection with the finals around the corner.

regarding nonu, i am surprised that highlanders might not want him, like the All Black tests proved, he has tremendous value and if u harness that potential and make it work for u, u wil have struck All Black gold.
im sure jamie jospeh wouldnt wnat to let go of nonu only for him to start playing like he did when hes with the All Blacks and then let out a homer simpson DOH, and IMO thats exactly whats going to happen.

@mikey, daggs first test was much like his 2013 spXv season, kak, but the turnaround in test 2 and three was huge where he had standout performances, the class is permanent and form is temporary argumet is very applicable with dagg in 2013m its why i would want him in my All Blacks starting team every time, and also why the saffas wouldnt, after all Boks still dont know how to contain him, lolz. blues didnt make a mistake in letting anscombe go, he was useless for the blues under lam and both noakes and baden kerr the backup 10 had outstanding ITM seasons, so when kirwan came in and made wholesale changes, anscombe was one i agreed with. many saffas here are still unfamiliar with just how good a coach dave rennie is, theres a reason why the chiefs are the spXV champions and why when he was reinstated as coach, players like aaron cruden and robbie robinson left their other respective franchises to reunite with their NZ u20s coach, even though the chiefs finished last in the NZ conference in 2012. rennie has the potential to be an All Black coach, but then so do a few others, but he took the potential that was always at the chiefs and gave them the blueprint to their maiden title and his ability to get the best out of people like anscombe who was kak before rennie is one of the best ive ever seen in rugby. personally i would rather dagg go back to the hurricanes, but IMO he will most likely stay with the crusaders, though ive got no doubt in my mind that all 5 NZ franchises would gladly take him in given half the chance

Sasuke, I'm starting to wonder if Israel Dagg isn't just a one-season (or strictly speaking a two-season) wonder. He was fantastic in 2010 2011 and he's looked pretty ordinary ever since.

 

Forgetting about Ben Smith's ability to play at wing or outside centre for a second, if you had a straight choice between Israel Dagg and Ben Smith for the All Black #15 jersey, who would you pick? I don't even think Dagg would make my All Black bench . . . would you pick Dagg in his current form before Charles Piutau?

 

Ma'a Nonu is just plain crap. No speed, no ball skills, no desire and no discipline. I can't think why any S15 franchise would want him. I know you say he still performs for the All Blacks but apart from one tackle bust that led to a try against the Frogs, he looks as useless in a black jersey as he does in a blue-and-yellow one.

 

Agree on Dave Rennie. He's producing the goods and it seems all the top NZ players want to play under him.

@rooy,

hard to say bro,but if say the wing spots were locked up by others and the only position left was fullback with dagg and ben smith the options, then for sure i would go with ben smith in a heartbeat.
but at the moment the dagg 15 and ben smith 14 combo is one that works very well, especially with corey jane in the injury ward.

in the chocie between dagg and piutau, then it depnds on who were playing, if were playing the Boks, wallabies, france or england, then i would pick dagg over piutau every day of the week and twice on sunday, but with test matches against the pumas coming up oin the 4nats/TC, i dont see any reason why piutau shouldnt get a crack in the 15.
piutaus time will come, but i still have plenty of faith in dagg to delivver when it counts.

ur assesment on nonu is the nicest compared to what some of the other kiwi folks have been saying, LMFAO, :oP
but i have a lot of faith in nonu too, but he definately needs to get his shit sorted, cos hes not making the nonu franchise inviting for other spXV clubs, worst case scenario he can go play for an OZ club, those guys cant get enough fo the kiwi players.
like dagg i have faith in nonu, but im still hoping that SBW returns next year and the chiefs are currently in talks with SBW at the moment.
i really like the idea of SBW/nonu as a midfield combo, but i maybe in the minority of one with that opinon, lolz.

the uchiha clan are a 100% behind dagg and nonu, :o)

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