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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Oct 2014, 20:14
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26 Oct 2014, 20:14#1

Ex Sport 24

Cape Town - SARU has confirmed the date and time for the announcement of the 36-man Springboks team for their end of year tour.

The team will be named on Monday, October 27 at 11:30.

Springboks end of year itinerary

Saturday, November 8 v Ireland - 19:30
Saturday, November 15 v England - 16:30
Saturday, November 22 v Italy - 16:00
Saturday, November 29 v Wales - 16:30


I am concerned about the forards. Will Meyer persist with wee matfiled 106 kg. Will oupa play? The tighthead position is also a bit of a worry. Three weak forwards could be fatal.


With Malherbe and Marcell out will Jannie have to start as Meyer will lack confidence in starting anyone else..

The Bok pack fielded against the wee abs are inadequate for the NH.

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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
26 Oct 2014, 20:24
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26 Oct 2014, 20:24#2

Are we going to see any new faces?


If so, who will it be?  

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Oct 2014, 20:32
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26 Oct 2014, 20:32#3
 I think we will see the three Lions props. Meyer will probably not take young Du Toit?
Carr might make it. I wonder if Elstadt might not also make it he is the physical type of forward one needs in the NH? Whitely Kriel? He should take Willemse.
Will he take three scrummies and three flyhalves? Three hookers as well.Could that Lions reserve hooker be a bolter?
Its going to be an interesting selection as this squad plus injured players should form 90 of percent of the RWC squad.






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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Oct 2014, 20:43
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26 Oct 2014, 20:43#4
The 36 I would take:
15. Willie / Taute

14/11. JP / Senatla / Sithole / Kobus v/Wyk
13/12. JJ / de Allende / Mnisi / Serfontein / A. Esterhuizen
10. Pollard / Goosen / Lambie
9. Hougaard / Reinach / v/Zyl
1/3. Beast / T. du Toit / Coenie / Malherbe / Nkanyane
2. Bismark / Strauss / Cooper
4/5. Etzebeth / Willemse / Lood / Lewies
6/7/8. Vermeulen / Coetzee / Kriel / Carr / J. du Plessis / Mtembu / CJ. Stander

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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
26 Oct 2014, 20:43
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26 Oct 2014, 20:43#5
 

 Yeah, agree on Carr and Kriel, I think they are likely to get a shot, I just wonder if Carr will be seen as a back up 6 or 8?


Louw is still injured as far as I know, so Kriel has a good chance.


I wonder if Meyer will take three Lions props, He might only take one Lion loosehead and one tight head, I think Redelinghuys may lose out with v d Merwe and Dreyer getting a shot.


I think we might see Senatla and JJ going, but we need a back up for WIllie other than Lambie.

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ChippoPro3,372 posts
26 Oct 2014, 22:38
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26 Oct 2014, 22:38#6
 @saf... players in bold = dont agree with...
The rest... ya.

15. Willie / Taute

14/11. JP / Senatla / Sithole / Kobus v/Wyk
13/12. JJ / de Allende / Mnisi / Serfontein / A. Esterhuizen
10. Pollard / Goosen / Lambie
9. Hougaard / Reinach / v/Zyl
1/3. Beast / T. du Toit / Coenie / Malherbe / Nkanyane
2. Bismark / Strauss / Cooper
4/5. Etzebeth / Willemse / Lood / Lewies
6/7/8. Vermeulen / Coetzee / Kriel / Carr / J. du Plessis / Mtembu / CJ. Stander

My picks, over and above yours:
15 - Kolbe - just to gain some experience
Wings - Bit short in depth there... but why no habana? Is he injured? Thoughts on Ruan Combrink?
13/12... JJ (LOLOLOLOLOL)... not at the mo buddy, maybe next year. Mnisi is a bit slow in my opinion. Even for 12 he is too slow. I wouldnt mind seeing Juan de Jongh in the squad.
10. Man I am not the biggest Demitri Kat fan, but I think he has BMT. Maybe nit as expansive at Pat or Pollard, but hell I'd love to have him on if we need 3 points with 2 minutes to go .
9. Very tough here. But i really dont van Zyl has been anywhere near Bok form. Maybe as a 3rd backup. We dont have much quality depth here at the moment.
2. I wouldnt be too upset to see Akkers in the squad. He may offer some delight off the bench.
1/3. ruan Dreyer? Schalk van der Merwe? They have smashed whoever has been put in front of them this year.
Loosies. I am a massive D Minnie fan. Id pick him before J du Plessis of CJ. I dont wanna make people laugh, but any thoughts on Mufasa Britz making the squad. Warren Whitely? He surely deserves to be in the mix? Maybe not the best for NH rugby, but he turns it on in any conditions.
4/5 - Elstadt?
I think he has the physality and decent lineout prowess. ALso good cover for blindside?
@saffex... Just to let you know... Im not looking to be insulted by you, but would love to have an adult debate without slander, if possible.



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Oct 2014, 23:12
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26 Oct 2014, 23:12#7
 Piss poor selections by ou snapster. The oak has no clue! 
Isn't Malherbe out of the tour in any case?
I will give you a decent team tomorrow some time snapster. In the meantime go and have a good think about yours. I am sure you can do better. At least I hope so! Bwahahahhahahahahhaha
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JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
27 Oct 2014, 05:31
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27 Oct 2014, 05:31#8
Taute?

Are you joking me? 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Oct 2014, 06:09
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27 Oct 2014, 06:09#9

Dave would say "Taute...I kid you not". Just like Captain Queeg the nutter in the Caine mutiny. This slow motion slide away from reality is kind of pathetic. We have Taute the fullback who can't run, JJ the centre who can't tackle, Coenie the prop who can't scrum...and other assorted characters in perhaps the worst squad ever named on these Boards. Oh and the  i nclusion of Esterhuizen fresh from his humiliation at the hands of Mnisi, who is also included in spite of engineering WP's CC winning  try, is a delightful surprise. Perhaps they could room together and swap notes on how to defend 12 channel.

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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
27 Oct 2014, 06:39
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27 Oct 2014, 06:39#10

Tackle report from the Ellispark test last year.


 On the other hand, the Boks had to make just 77 tackles – and missed 33 – or a success rate of 70%. While nothing should be taken away from the All Blacks execution in getting five tries at Ellis Park, defence will be a massive factor for the team when they get together again before the end of year tour.


And what about the individuals? Some players were crucified by the public and pundits afterwards for their contribution, and while some were blinkered, there is a lot to be concerned about in the missed tackle stats for the Springboks.


Despite being booed off the field, Zane Kirchner was not the worst defender on the day. In fact, his defence stats read pretty well if you consider that 33 missed tackles equates to two a player in the side.


And while nobody will give Kirchner that credit, he did miss two tackles – but he was hardly the biggest culprit on the day.


The statistical analysis shows that the player forced to make the most tackles was flyhalf Morne Steyn – who succeeded with nine out of 13 tackle attempts – showing how the All Blacks targeted his channel.


JJ Engelbrecht – another to have been hauled over the coals – made six tackles and missed only two – hardly the stuff that lynching mobs are made up of.


In fact, the player with the worst tackle statistics is one who is seen as one of the heroes in the Ellis Park game – Willie le Roux. According to the post game statistics, Le Roux made only one tackle, missing four, in a defensive performance he will have to look at.


Other notable tackle stats see Jan Serfontein - widely acknowledged to be out of his depth and out of position on the wing, making three and missing three tackles in the game, while the two front rankers Jannie du Plessis (made 2, missed 3) and Tendai Mtawarira (made 3, missed 3) are also high on the error list.


Captain Jean de Villiers, who was electric on attack, also missed two tackles – one which led to a try.

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JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
27 Oct 2014, 07:15
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27 Oct 2014, 07:15#11
That's a clueless squad saffex

I wouldn't start some of these players but these are the players that is a class above those players and have more to offer, its the players that you have not named.

Kolbe over Taute

Habana/ Hendricks over Kobus Van v Wyk, Sitole and Senatla

Redlinghuys/Dreyer/Van Der Merwe over Malherbe, Connie and Nkanyane

Michael Rhodes/ Willie Britz over Mtembu, J. du Plessis

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Oct 2014, 11:45
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27 Oct 2014, 11:45#12

Ok Chip, here goes

 

I like Kolbe, but would only consider him as a wing. He is too small for fullback and would be exposed there physically at test level. Great little player though and I'd be happy with him in the squad as a wing.

 

Taute proved his class long time ago and that well taken try confirmed that. 

 

Kobus v/Wyk is the real deal, mark my word......he is being wasted on the wing by WP as he is a centre, but has the x factor......I want to see him at 13.

 

Sithole has been in good form this year, brings pace and physicality to the game and can cover wing and 13.

 

Habana, been there done it. He has not shone this year much like Jean has not.....time to move on and have a look at something new. He remains in the picture though, had a good game for club on the weekend.

 

Combrink has impressed me of late, but does not look test material......looks like a good S15 standard player.

 

JJ is still the best 13 I have seen for some time at test level. There has not been a better performance by a Bok 13 in years, as was his display with ball in hand against NZ. Meyer did him a massive disservice dropping him as he did. He suffered under the Bulls this year but to his credit seemed to have rediscovered his mojo in his last two CC outings for the Bulls

 

de Jongh - never, not nearly physical enough for a test centre and is often exposed physically at S15 or CC level. A nice little player in space but test rugby is not about space. de Jongh would never smell my squad for the simple reason you don't see 87kg outside centres playing test rugby for a good reason.

 

Esterhuizen is a real talent that needs refining, his strength is second to none and we need him operating in the SBW way. He would not play in the tests given the numbers, but I'd take him on board with a view to the very near future.

 

Mnisi too slow, what utter nonsense......you base that on what exactly? He is no slower than the likes of Jean or Frans for instance and besides, 12 in not about raw pace.....its about guile and finesse......something Mnisi has displayed plenty of.

 

Catrakillis over Goosen is insulting......I'll leave it at that

 

v/Zyl is a class act but struggled with game time and injury this year. We have depth at 9, look at the likes of Groom and not to forget the very impressive Faf de Klerk, sadly injured at the moment.

 

Akers looks a good bet, would be happy with him on board as I would Scara

 

Yeah the 3ions props have been good and worthy of consideration, especially v/d Merwe. But my guess its more down to a collective scrum than individuals and they have been helped by the fact that most of the current first line props in SA are out injured or not playing because of Bok duty.

 

I like Minnie, but doubt he would make an impression as a 7 at test level. Britz, you have to be kidding.

 

Jacques du Plessis is the real deal, his physicality is unrivalled amongst the SA 7's.....he makes yards on every charge and is the perfect replacement for Alberts. I like Rhodes, E. Oosthuizen and Elstadt as 7's as well.

 

Mtembu is a real talent, he brings real skill to the loosie role, I am a huge fan. I like Whitely but I prefer Mtembu.

 

Elstadt is not a lock, we have locks to burn so certainly do not need him at lock. I'd be more than happy with him in the squad. He is the one player that keeps getting overlooked by Meyer, has not even made an extended training squad under Meyer - pathetic really.

 

CJ Stander is a class act, set the world alight last week at 8 for his club......MOM stuff.

 

So in conclusion I could entertain some of your options but not Combrink, de Jongh, Cat, Minnie, Britz or Elstadt at lock

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