David vs Goliath

In the old biblical story, the small chappie (David) disposed of the big guy(Goliath) by confronting his weakness ie lack of mobility. Coetzee has unexpectedly moved Jean back to his best position at 12 to match up with the agile Lealiifano. This leaves de Jongh against the giant Kuridrani who at 1.96 metres and 104 kgs must surely be among the biggest centres in the game.

What will happen? Well my guess is Juan will sail in and deprive Kuridrani of his legs. But will the huge man be able to catch de Jongh on the jink? I seriously doubt it.

Best call....history repeats itself.

Mozart

Big difference in David.  David was strong, agile and clever.   De Jongh is not strong and he is not a clever player.

History will not repeat itself in this case and De Jongh is going to be one of the reasons why the Stormers are going to lose this game..  

That Kuridrani looks pretty lethal - was very impressed with him last week. Good luck to wee de Jongh, he will need it!!

He was playing against Jordaan last week. This week he is up against the guy that destroyed Jordaan in the CC final.....I'm going with David.

My money is on Goliath everytime

Hahaha....surprising?  Nah.....what else can we expect from a Phillistine? The beautiful game played in the Cape and typified by fast small chaps like de Jongh and Aplon will prevail. I'm just worried about Jantjies.

Obviously our friend Saffex does not believe the bible...Dawie die Kaboutikie (sic) won...lol.

Dynamite comes in small packages sometimes.

On a lighter note...Saffex would never have fitted into King Arthurs Knights of the Round Table...Might is Right replaced by Right is Might...unfortunately a misconstrued idealogy in law today...SA govt is classical example just to mention a few...in the right context.

Even Pocket Rocket Kockett had his say...

Kockott, second highest scorer in the southern hemisphere championship this season with 110 points, pleaded guilty to slapping flanker Adam Thomson from visiting New Zealand side Highlanders at the weekend.

The incident four minutes from full-time had a comical edge as diminutive Kockott floored much taller and stronger Thomson with a strike to the face and South African referee Phillip Bosch raised a red card.

the real david goliath battle is the kings vs crusaders in christchurch.

fanatsy participants must give some serious consideration to recruting players from the most succesful super rugby team ever, especially after they destroyed the tiny wee team of davids from loftus last week, -_o

Yeah Mozzie, Phillistines live in their own world. Obviously our friend Saffex does not believe the bible...Dawie die Kaboutikie (sic) won...lol.

Dynamite comes in small packages sometimes.

On a lighter note...Saffex would never have fitted into King Arthurs Knights of the Round Table...Might is Right replaced by Right is Might...unfortunately a misconstrued idealogy in law today...SA govt is classical example just to mention a few...in the right context.

Even Pocket Rocket Kockett had his say...

Kockott, second highest scorer in the southern hemisphere championship this season with 110 points, pleaded guilty to slapping flanker Adam Thomson from visiting New Zealand side Highlanders at the weekend.

The incident four minutes from full-time had a comical edge as diminutive Kockott floored much taller and stronger Thomson with a strike to the face and South African referee Phillip Bosch raised a red card.

Mozart

When did De Jongh destroy Jordaan in the CC Fiinal - you know you are talking crap here - De Jongh did not break one tackle in that game and Jordaan ran around him like he was not anywhere in sight.   Jordaan did not miss a single tackle last week - Useless De Jongh will be run over - beside from all the other bugger-ups normal in his game.   Likely to do a Twickenhm again - just go where the ball will never go and stand around doing nothing,  He has no ball sense at all.

By the way Jordaan was far away from him when he went through to score the try you constantly brag about - his first try in two years in CC.   Jordaan scored a much better try earlier last year - when De Jongh was directly opposite him and could not keep up in pace with Jordaan.   That try is on Google and you can go andd watch what happend and see what happened to De Jongh as well.  

Yeah you might have got away with one small chappie in the backs - but 5 is a stretch......Joe, Aplon, de Jongh, Jantjies and Duvenhage......ag nee man!!

That monster 8 is going to have a field day running at Duvenhage and Jantjies.

Seb, was Thompson auditioning for Neighbours?

Baby Jake versus Fattex Saffex from South Africa...an overweight professed international rugby player who works as a legal expert in London but resides in a beautiful county of Suffolk 2 hours away by railway transport that is unknown to Saffas because Toyota Minibus taxis have bribed the government to not allow trains to operate so that urban and indigenous infrastructure can enhance the developement of indigenous people...Mozart and Intelligent Mike sit on the panel of judges...Saffex roars to small little  Baby Jake...come on and get me...Kobus Wiese who is BJ's mentor (They are in the coffee bar business together). Baby Jake comes in ...a few short stabs to the belly and one cracking uppercut sends this mountain of a man staggering...Kobus Wiese understands this...I think when you are small and tough, big and heavy people respect this and indeed admire this and yes it is true when you are small and see huge giants around you you have to stretch to your limit and defeat them.

Well Sebastian you are certainly into this topic....nothing more satisfying than taking out the bigger chap. That Kockott story is one I had not heard.

Ou Mike Jantjies never broke one tackle in that game??????  I bet Coetzee and Daniels would love that to be the case. Here it is again by way of a Saturday preview, I just wish Demetri was playing as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZBJUDh709Y

Jabo, Mozzie the Ex Leeutjie boytie from the suburds in Joeys, in the voetsteps of King Rose (actually only a humble Earl) was a miscalculated judgement of Capie boytie Coetzee wat brei van die koringland van Maalamsborie (sic). Cat the Greek boytjie was a gift to the Queenies who have earned and changed their status to the up and coming Kings despite their obstacle of that shit-stirrer Cheeky. He has a talented son that sadly brought demise to his rugby skills although most civilised and respectful Saffas have attoned him for his los lippe, except in places like Ventersdorp, Weenen and Pofadder that have eventually received the news of a renegade elected Springbok wanted to puke on the beloved jersey thats been changed.

Anyway thats it...you have got to have a sense of humour where the State President got through Std 5 (Grade 7) with honours. If Saffas cannot laugh about our sensitivities you will end up by either having a stroke or a heart attack.

Saffex has the ideal set-up, living in Pommieland, where a big dark hand cannot steal his pension fund and beautiful colonial mansion and shout ...Kom die Bokke...die Bokke... although, it would not be understood in Suffolk where they are still trying to speak English...worst than Devon, Ireland or remote Scotland.

 Dr Moz you do err greatly in your analogy here. It was God aiding David that led to the demise of Goliath - as David himself well knew.

Without that same divine aide, the Stormers will struggle to contain the brumbies who will be completely over their jetlag. Neither the pack nor the backline has been correctly selected.

However I am still hoping the Stormers can win dispite all this. The pack is better than the one fielded by the sharks by some margin even if not at full stength. If they can dominate they will cut down on the brumbies backs opportunities. The microlights backs must then hang on. Kolis must cover the backline etc.

The use of the bench will be very significant. He has two big backs there in Taute and Allende to call on.

How will van der Heever adapt to left wing. I wish him well as the guy has talent and has been really wanting a chance.

Moart

I have seen that video on the try 20 times - but you keep raving about it.  Why was that the first try in two years scored by De Jongh.  After two years of bugger-all a flash in the pan is all the Mozart eeds to go into raving phase.

Shall I disillution you a bit right here.  Read the following stats on De Jongh's performance in the Twickenham test:-

I think the above broke he Stats record of players by a mile.  Have never seen so many zeroes ever in stats.  With those the Springboks performed excellently with the 14 players they had on the field.

Also google Paul Jordaan and a try came up scored by him against WP.  Look at that one and try and figure out where De Jongh was in that case.   Coming from the right of the screen he missed and attempte tackle and vanished.     Incidentally that was a much better try than the one scored by your hero.

Take another look Mike ou pal.....the player that misses Jordaan was not de Jongh, it was the flyhalf. It was certainly a fine try, but not in the class of Juan's CC winning effort.

Mozart

Any comments on De Jongh's stats for the Twickenham test?   Your David has feet of clay.

By the way if De Jongh had to run the distance Jordaan did in his try,  he would have been caught halfway towards the goal line.   And I clearly saw the visage of De Jongh when the attempted tackle was made.   Maybe I was wrong - because he is too slow to be anywhere near when Jordaan finally scored  

Pfffffffhahahahahahhaha....."maybe I was wrong". You got the wrong player just admit it and stop trying to twist your mistake into another attack. How can we take anything you say seriously when you can't admit your own errors?

Mozart

OK I admit - I thought De Jongh made that attempted ttackle - so you can have that one in your favour,

Now let me ask you AGAIN - ANY COMMENTS ON THE STATS FOR THE TWICKENHAM TEST?  I have never ever seen stats that bad so na center in a test match - so you think they are acceptable - otherwise why the silence on the issue pertaining to a player you constantly punt for seletion for the Springbok team.

Big question - is your David going to vanish into thin air again tomorrow like he so successfully did in the Twickenham test?

Mike you are wrong about de Jongh - he has plenty of pace, a great step and his open field tackling is very good.

The issue with him is his size, he is too small for centre at the highest level of rugby and for that reason, I would never consider him for the Boks and I would not play him ahead of players like de Allende, Howard and JP du Plessis at the Stormers.

de Jongh can beat his man in space, we see too little space in the modern game and therefore centres in particular have to impose themselves physically both on attack and in defence. For me that applies equally to 12 and 13

Had de Jongh weighed 98kg with his skill set and pace, he would have been a world beater. Sadly he has the skill but not the size and you need both in the modern game

Saffex

Mozart refuse to answer - because he is cornered.

De Jongh has the skills - what skills?   Being able to vanish fom sight like he did in the Twickenham test?  Sure that is a skill - it is insurpassable.

I studied De Jongh carefully over the past two years and wrote in detail of the results elsewhere.  Final assessment - he does not possess the skills needed to off-set the deficiencies sttached to his small size.   You know I study player performances - and when I did the Steyn study - I turned out to be justified.   This one I am more than happy that I am correct in my assessment.   You will remember that I said "I am unhappy with Steyn's performances" - this time I said "I am horrified by De Jongh's performances".  Huge difference - Steyn can still improve - De Jongh cannot do so. 

Mike de Jongh's stats are 4.1 metres a carry, one try and 43 out of 46 tackles in 6 tests. Those are the stats you never mention.....yours is a biased effort costing you credibility. Dave may be right that he wont succeed.....I would certainly agree with that at 12. Thirteen is up for debate, I think he could be a contributor at 13. But whatever the answer to describe him as skill deficient is a nonsense.

Moffie: "Pfffffffhahahahahahhaha....."maybe I was wrong". You got the wrong player just admit it and stop trying to twist your mistake into another attack. How can we take anything you say seriously when you can't admit your own errors?"

The irony hangs heavy in the air! Do the names Taute and Hougaard ring a bell?

"And just to make sure, a bit later, he (Jaco Taute) rushed inside way too early leaving Conrad Smith with a trot in try."

Does anyone remember Moffie admitting he got the wrong player here?

No I'm sure nobody remembers that RooiAAS.....because I never got the wrong player....you did. And you laboured over it what....maybe 30 of your first 40 postings here as the Fruit. Talk about obsessive.....and especially obsessively wrong.

You can find the incident at minute 4.20 of this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIAXDEKqQwgy

I said Taute came inside. In fact he planted allowing a huge space for Gear to run into. Both Hougaard and Kirchner seeing the mismatch in midfield ran inside, but too late.

Mozart

Those are the stats from ESPN Scrum  - go there and you will see for yourself.  I did not compile the stats and from what I have seen during that match - they are 100% correct.   My creditability is not affected at all - at least I am not biased like you are I stick to facts and not fiction.  .   I publish facts not selected facts.    l

To make it more comprehensive  - here is the stats on the Scotland test as well:-

Not a house on fire - but better than the Twickenham test.   He did carry the ball 4 times - that is a fact and he did make 12 meters - also a fact - beat 2 defenders in the process and made 4 tackles and missed 1. The fact that the Scottish stats are correct - make me believe the Twickenham stats are also correct.  I would say the rating for the Scotland test will be 4 out of 10 and for the England test 1 out of 10.     Shocking performances anyway - irrespective of how you look at it.   Incidentally the stats does not include the fact that De Jongh actually knocked on the first ball passed to him - a further reason for the 4 out of 20 rating.

Incidentally Jake White on Boots & All said the Stormers will have to score tries if they wish to win and I believe that he thinks they are incapable of doing it.   The De Villiers - De Jongh center combination is an absolute guarantee tries will not be fortcoming and my forecast is a Stormers loss by 12 points.   If De Allende was at 12 and De Villiers at 13 - I would have called the match 50-50.

So you are back on your selective stats kick. One or two tests  is selective stats. That's what you gave us. His averages for all his starts is not....that's what I gave . Those Scottish and Pom stats are included in the de Jongh averages I gave up above. And don't worry Mike I haven't forgotten your prediction of a Stormer loss.....but I must say 12 points is bold. Time will tell. 

I know Moffie, but then when I asked how a player can cut inside too early and "plant" at the same time you went a bit quiet. I'm still waiting to know how that's possible because the two actions sound almost the opposite of one another.

I said a long time ago, it would be a lot easier for you to admit that you confused Francois Hougaard (who did cut inside too early) with Jaco Taute but here you are, applying typical double standards and being a sickening hypocrite.

"I said Taute came inside. In fact he planted allowing a huge space for Gear to run into"

"Both Hougaard and Kirchner seeing the mismatch in midfield ran inside"

Yes . . . ummmmmm . . . in other words, you got the player wrong and refused to admit it . . . pretty much what you're squawking about ou Maaik doing here. The difference is, ou Maaik is man enough to admit when he stuffs up while you're still pretending you didn't make a dick of yourself months later.

Actually Hougaard did not cut inside too early. He cut inside too late. The only way to stop what was a massive overlap created by Gear coming in from the off wing was to take man and ball. By planting Taute allowed  Gear huge space to run into and Hougaard came inside too late. If he came in any later as you advise,  Carter could simply have trotted over the line. But at least Hougaard made Carter pass, even if he was too late for the smother tackle.

As for your monotonous  whining about my mistaking Taute and Hougaard....no I didn't. When I said Taute came inside I took that view because of his alignment relative to Carter and Smith.....not because of the player rushing in from way off the screen to the left. That player was never going to be a centre.

But if you want proof..... look at what we saw on the screen when the try was scored.....from minute 4.17 to minute 4.22. The part where Hougaard comes inside is  cut off. And if you look at the replays which show Hougaard coming in, Taute with a big 13 on his back is right next to Jean.....hard to confuse who that was.

No I wasn't confused....so away with all your tedious bother.

Mozart

Must I spell it out for you to understand clearly.   The stats is NOT selective.   After two years of rugby rubbish by De Jongh - he scored a try in the CC final in 2012.   You make him out to be the best 13 in SA and Meyer has the idiocy to select him as no 13.   What follows is what did De Jongh produced after that selection  - in other words after he was selected in 2012 - not before that.

I am not interested in stats of years ago - what counts is what has the player produces that makes him the player he is at present.   You do not need to go back 3 or 4 years to find that out - look at recent appropriate history.

Earlier I looked at Francois Steyn and said for nearly a year now he was sub-par- that was OK by you.   But when I say for the past year De Jongh was sub-par - that is not OK - and you have to run around to find figures to prove otherwise.  

Get real - the man is a rubbish player - has been for the past two years. 

Earth to Mike .....he hasn't played this year. We have to rely on prior  stats,  you idiot.

Mozart

Don't get personal - it can only backfire badly.  

De Jongh's stats for Super Rugby in 2012 was the lousiest of any center playing at 13.  His stats in 2012 playing as a Springbok was the lousiest imaginable - the Twickenham stats was the worst I have ever seen of any player who played for 80 minutes.

You previously refused to accept the stats of De Jongh over the past two years - because it was so bad. 

Really - Mozart - be realistic - what makes you think that the tooth fairy will do a magic trick and suddenly transform a lousy player into a success story.    De Jongh is a lousy player his stats in Super 15 over the past two years is conclusive proof of that.  

Anyway Mozart - you have a fixation about De Jongh and I suppose nothing will change that one.   Lets wait ad see how De Jongh performs this weekend.  I expect he would do a Twickenham and vanish for sight - or he will do his normal - buggering up comprehensively.   The Stormers is going to play eiher with 14 players on the park (ala Twickenham)  or 14 players and a handicap.   That is why they have no chance of winning.

Not personal, factual.   Anybody who wants this year's stats from a player who hasn't played yet....is losing it big time. I also note that having given you all the relevant stats about de Jongh's test career, having had you accept that a few days ago....you are banging on about selective stats again. Mike it seems the little grey cells are abandoning ship and there weren't that many of them at the outset.

My advice Mike....in your case,  give up all stats and rely on observation and hearsay.

Mozart

Talking about grey cells - are you sure you are alright?   In De Jongh's case I mentioned strictly that I looked at his stats iro of 2012 - both for test and Super 15 rugby.  I never ";looked at stats of a player that did not play"  .   so don't try and sidetrack the issue.

However - we can come back and discuss this player after the match tomorrow - and I will be objective and look at 80 minutes of play and not one incident only.

Watching the highlights of that test again, its clear that the try resulting from Taute's failure to find touch, which was damn close to being a good touch finder, had much to do with poor Goosen limping his way across in cover defence and not being in a position to take Whitelock out.

Then we have the Dagg goose step to throw Taute off on the outside, but Bekker's miss on Dagg was even worse than the Taute miss. Taute got less hands on Dagg than Bekker did - Taute was beaten, Bekker just missed a standard tackle.

Now for that minute 4.20 try - I'd say Jean was the main culprit here. He sprints out of line and ends up getting the decoy runner in his face, leaving Gear with space to create the overlap - Hougaard and Taute had no chance - its space created by a decoy and additional runner. To be frank, no Bok player was to blame as it was more about a great try created by the AB's.

The only way to create space in modern test rugby is by employing decoy runners, having additional players running great angles/lines (Gear coming from the blindside to join the line, after the decoy created by the loosie), players looping to create additional personnel, like Cruden does for the Saders and inside backs throwing the flat long pass to put players into space.