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De Allende's injury is Hendricks good fortune.

Started by Mozart11 REPLIES189 VIEWS· 04 Jun 2014, 19:11
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Jun 2014, 19:11
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04 Jun 2014, 19:11#1

I think the combination at centre was supposed to be Jean/de Allende. But injuries have brought in Fran's and JP....and Hendricks. Meyer has pushed the reject button on Steppie, JJ, Jordaan and de Jongh. None of them have been solid enough. The Bools are outplayed every week, and Jordaan followed some nothing games on attack, with a poor defensive game against the Stormers. De Jongh has been effective on attack but has oddly been guilty of some shoddy tackling.


So I believe Meyer is solidly merit based in his thinking. Why the Stormers switched Jean to 13 with de Allende in the more technical 12 role is unclear. But a Jean/de Allende combination will take the international stage some time this year. So JP needs to up the intensity at13..Hendricks may  just stake a strong claim

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ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
04 Jun 2014, 19:21
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04 Jun 2014, 19:21#2
Keep a close eye on Hendricks.JPP'son performances are well below par and I would like to say he was color selection...but that would be unfair gi en his merits and talent.But yeah he needs to gear up if he is going to be in the side for much longer.Hendricks scored everytime he came on as a replacement for the Cheetahs.He was a brilliant sevens player and it shows in his fitness.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Jun 2014, 21:24
#3
04 Jun 2014, 21:24#3
 Mozart
The good fortune of De Allende is that he is not involved in a backline that is bound to fail and for which he is likely to be blamed.   The 2012 backline failed miserably in all tests but the Aussie one - because the Steyns were not involved in that one and there was no Willie le Roux in them.  
The two Steyns combined are poison for any backline and that is a fact.   The dead backline syndrome started with them as the main reason.
Better for De Allende to wait longer for the time when the present madness dies out - as will inevitably happen. 
Arizona
Don't worry about Hendricks - he will never see the ball in games unless he collects kicks of the opposing teams.   Pietersen failed at 13 for the Sharks in 2012 and was as a result was replaced by Jordaan and he put back at the wing.
Between the Steyn's and JP they will fluff any backline play and Hendricks will have no chance to show anything of value.   Sorry for the guy - but he has no chance to do anything and will ultimately drop out of contention.  
Willie might help a bit - but I am sorry for him as well.   He is going to have no support in whatsoever he attempts.    
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Jun 2014, 21:37
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04 Jun 2014, 21:37#4
 Look you fool. You were producing the same sort of rubbish last year, predicting we were going to lose against Oz...then against Wales and France. All your player picks come up bad. Your match predictions are a disaster. Your prediction of Meyers team was way off base. You didn't even know Morne was involved in both Habana tries at Ellis Park.
For some reason or other this Board sees fit to take your incredibly stupid, crude views seriously....I don't....Oompie.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Jun 2014, 21:48
#5
04 Jun 2014, 21:48#5
 Mozart
For one - we had Morne Steyn in the backline together with De Villiers and and the team did not include baggage like the present two locks.  They lent some assistance and value to the backline performances.   With Francois Streyn the Sharks backline is dead and Morne is not used by Stade Fracais because he is really clueless in backline play.  
Pietersen was removed by  the Sharks from the no 13 position because he failed in that position.   He does not pass balls accurately in the rare cases where at 13 he did pass balls and that is a fact.   That backline is from an attacking perspective a horror story - they will achieve zero on Satu rday and the same against the Welsh.   
The best we can hope for is that they defend well enough - but between the Steyns and JP I have a suspicion that there will be serious deficiencies in defense as well.             
FO
ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
05 Jun 2014, 00:34
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05 Jun 2014, 00:34#6
 Yeah it does some what bother me that JPP'sons failed 5mins in rugby terms as a centre is now suddenly the solution to our 13birth.I think...That all this bravado is a test that Meyer is utilising as a yard stick to see who has what it takes.I like Frans...he has been a great young player but this centre combination is a joke,and absolute joke.If they wanted they could have called on Sadie and Ebersohn R as a duo but this...leaves a bad taste in any fans mouth about Meyer.The other massive failure is snail Pienaar.How on earth is he selected above Reinach?Its insult to injury really.But the weakest link in 12&13.One has an incurable injury that other teams will exploit,ready to see a steam of inside runners attacking Steyn inside channel and JP will have to cover multiple defenders...and so the partnership will come undone.Fekitoa will ruin Steyn F rugby career,mark my words...as much as it breaks my heart.We need some one that can run equally capable with both legs.End offffff.This is international rugby...not Affies vs Grey Bloem. And Mike,with all do respect...de Alende is the incumbent,sad thing is as soon as Fourie J is fit he will warm the bench.I see a long year ahead for this talented youngster.Hendricks will be a stand out.You watch.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Jun 2014, 00:46
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05 Jun 2014, 00:46#7
 Well it looks like JP's move to outside centre could be permanent. He lacks pace for a wing. If he sorts out his defence he could make a fine 13:Ex SupersportP Pietersen’s shift from wing to outside centre in the Springbok team for Saturday’s friendly international against a World XV could become permanent if his performance lights up Newlands. (He is strong and does have the ability to break a line)

The Sharks wing and veteran of the 2007 World Cup was shifted inside to accommodate newcomer Cornal Hendricks, who now gets an opportunity to graduate to Springbok colours in the conventional code after excelling for the Bok Sevens team.(Hendricks has real pace and skills. Needs to just up his work rate)

The Newlands game is not a full international so Hendricks won’t get capped, but Meyer said he had been impressed with both the form Hendricks had shown for the Cheetahs in Super Rugby and in training this week and wanted to see if he belonged at the higher level.

I know I said I never wanted to experiment, but this game is a good time to try something new and Cornal was brilliant in Sevens and he was awesome at times for the Cheetahs in Super Rugby and he has potential that excites me,” said Meyer.(Agree)

At the same time, and I didn’t know this before, JP has informed me during one-on-one interviews that he actually prefers centre. It is his preferred position. He has played there before for the Sharks and he also play club rugby in Japan at outside centre. He says he enjoys it and I told him I would give him this chance to see what he can do and at the same time it gives me a chance to look at Cornal.” (Fair enough Meyer)

Asked if the switch of Du Plessis was permanent, Meyer responded: “We will see how he goes on Saturday. It is in his hands.”

Hendricks was delighted with his selection and told the media afterwards that it justified his decision to move back to the conventional code after being the Sevens Player of the Year in 2013.

“Heyneke only told me this morning about my selection and I was extremely excited to be told I would be playing on Saturday,” said Hendricks.

This is a dream come true for me and it helps that I am playing in the same back three as Willie le Roux and Bryan Habana.(Lots of pace and flair in this back three) I am not really a nervous kind of person, but Bryan has been a big calming influence this week and he has helped me a lot. Willie and I have known each other for a long time as we played SA Academy together and both come out of the Boland.”

EASING BACK INTO THE MIX

This being a non-test, there is an element of Meyer easing players back into the mix, and this applies particularly to Fourie du Preez, who finds himself on the bench this week even though he is one of the team’s vice-captains.

Du Preez hasn’t played any rugby since the end of the Japanese club season a few months ago, and he will be eased back as he was in the test match against Argentina at Soccer City last August.

Actually Ruan has been out for a while too and has only just started playing again. Ruan is very fit at the moment so we thought we would start with him and bring Fourie off the bench. I had a long conversation with both players about it and we were all in agreement that this was the way to go about it,” said Meyer.

I will probably play them a half each. And I will be looking to do that at lock too, with Bakkies Botha playing a half and then Flip van der Merwe playing a half.”

Botha gets reunited with his long-time second-row partner, Victor Matfield, at Springbok level for the first time since 2011.

“We understand each other really well so I don’t think it will be a problem for us that we haven’t played together for a while. I just look at Victor and can tell by his body language what he is about to do,” said Botha, who played in the test against Scotland on the last end of year tour.

With Johan Goosen likely to start against Wales in Durban the following week, but Morne Steyn starting in this game, what we could see is the team adjust to the starting lineup for that game later on in the Newlands clash in some combinations.

Goosen is on the bench for the World XV game.

“A week ago I had the intention of starting Johan at flyhalf in this game but I changed my mind because of the injuries that have robbed us of experience at centre,” said Meyer.

I know Frans Steyn has played a lot of games for the Boks at inside centre, but he hasn’t done so for a while. And Johan hasn’t played since 2012. So I thought it wiser to pick Morne for this first game of the season just from the viewpoint of stability. Frans hasn’t played for a while and this will be the first game that JP is playing as a centre at this level.”

The match will represent a comeback to the green and gold for the two Schalks, Burger and Brits, with both players playing off the bench.

The starting team shows seven changes from the Springbok team that ended off last year with a win against France in Paris.

Springbok team: Willie le Roux, Cornal Hendricks, JP Pietersen, Frans Steyn, Bryan Habana, Morne Steyn, Ruan Pienaar, Duane Vermeulen, Willem Alberts, Francois Louw, Victor Matfield (captain), Bakkies Botha, Jannie du Plessis, Bismarck du Plessis, Tendai Mtawarira.

Replacements: Schalk Brits, Gurthro Steenkamp, Coenie Oosthuizen, Flip van der Merwe, Schalk Burger, Fourie du Preez, Johan Goosen, Lwazi Mvovo.

It all depends how good the World 15 is and whether the weakenesses in the Bok set up will be tested. 



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Jun 2014, 00:47
#8
05 Jun 2014, 00:47#8
 Looking foward to the game and seeing how certain players go. 
FO
ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
05 Jun 2014, 00:55
#9
05 Jun 2014, 00:55#9
 I think...humble pie and humiliation is waiting for Meyer.I don't want to see it happen.I was one of those that thoroughly supported Meyers selection and appointment as Bok coach.But things are not looking good.Do t care about reputations.In my line of work,reputations don't save lives.At 36 any rugby player should be playing golf...not International rugby.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Jun 2014, 01:00
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05 Jun 2014, 01:00#10
 Arizona
Believe me I wish all players well and look at rugby objectively.  However, I also look criticallly at present performance and that is where players like Francois and Morne Steyn come short.  I used to be a great Francois Steyn admirer - but he went sour in France and came back s poor player.  Have not performed for the past two years on anything but a satisfactory level.   Morne prored over and over that his deficient reading of the game has let us down in critical games.   
Pietersen sklowed down badly in the soft Japanese club environment and is only now starting to get back as a player,  However,  Pietersen was never a player looking for work and as I said previously he failed at 13 for the Sharks in 2012.
Problem with him is he is a wing that has despite Meyer's remarks about 4 matches in total as s 13 player and he failed in all four to make any impression whatsoever.
What really upset me is the total disregard of performance in most of Meyer's selections.  Very few of the players performed well in Super 15 and none of the performance records of foreign club players can really be assessed properly so their present performances are at best guesses.   That is dangerous and can lead to player and consequently team stagnation.      
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Jun 2014, 14:48
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05 Jun 2014, 14:48#11
Of all the new players clueless Meyer could have brought in, he decided on the very average Hendricks - it about sums the clown up  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Jun 2014, 15:00
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05 Jun 2014, 15:00#12
 The problem is there has been a lot of talk about Pietersen at 13 in the past.  That came to naught because he failed badly as a 13 when he actually was tried out in that position by the Sharks.  he can play at 13 in the soft club scene in Japan - but that does not mean he will eb a successful 13.
The story about Steyn is bullshit of the first order.   Steyn played at center for the Sharks for the year in 8 games and he was a serious flop in 7 of those.
Morne had very little playing time gor Stde francais and was a flop most f the time.
Hendricks is a weird selection to say the least.  One wonders whether the real selection norm for Meyer is as follows:-
*   Rugby geriatrics comes first*   bench players come second*   flopped super 15 players third.    
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