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de Allende says it as it is

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Oct 2019, 13:33
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12 Oct 2019, 13:33#1
It’s only been four years, but Damien de Allende says rugby has changed immensely since the 2015 edition of the Rugby World Cup. De Allende was speaking at a media conference at the Nadahama Sports Ground in Kobe. Comments from the South Africa inside-centre shed light on the on-field changes – at least how de Allende sees it. “Not just me or South Africa, but the whole of world rugby has improved immensely,” said de Allende. “Sometimes Handre (Pollard) and myself watch old World Cup games from 2015, and back then there was absolutely no line speed on defence. And the skillset wasn’t under pressure or anything like that. “We’ve all developed in that sense, where we can play under kind of pressure – where guys are in your face and making decisions under pressure “The game has gone a bit more structured as well. I think that’s where you’ve got to learn and accept that you are not going to get a lot more turnovers, and there are going to be a lot more kicks on you. “So, it’s a lot more structured attack, and that’s where we have developed.” “We all have the licence to express ourselves on the field, but sometimes it’s quite tough – with the line-speed and the way teams have developed now with their skillsets under pressure. "Sometimes it’s quite tough to make a 50-50 pass, because you know that if that pass doesn’t stick, you will probably concede seven, five or three points. "You want to take a few risks now and then, if you really have to. If the opportunity is there and you feel like you can do it, then do it. "But I would say if you are in two minds and there's a bit of doubt, then rather tuck it and try to play one or more phases, and see if you can break the defence and get over the advantage line.”
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Oct 2019, 13:45
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12 Oct 2019, 13:45#2

Sensible guy Allende and unfortunately not appreciated by some who should know better after all my educating on the matter!!! 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Oct 2019, 14:05
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12 Oct 2019, 14:05#3
The majority of fools on here don’t get the change in the game. They bang on about how crap our centres are when in fact all test centres are in the same boat. No test centre stands out week after week, they have no room or time to impress with ball in hand, they constantly have to operate in traffic and that’s why it’s the big boys like Kerevi, Tuilagi, Laumape etc that make the most breaks through sheer power. If you want evidence of how hard it is to impress at test level for a centre look no further than Huw Jones of Scotland. Last year he was regarded as the best 13 in the game, this year he could not make the Scottish WC squad
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
12 Oct 2019, 14:11
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12 Oct 2019, 14:11#4

That's rich coming from Damian, he was under pressure throughout the 2015 season, having statistically the worst defensive stats in super rugby and failing throughout the remainder of the ye ar. Consider his line speed versus Nonu, so he must assuredly be speaking of himself.

Rugby has changed quite a lot though, the attack figures have increased significantly, as I've showed repeatedly over the past year - a trend the Boks haven't been following under Rassie. Structurally, the shape of the game up north has hanged radically, but they have retained the fundamentals. The SH has deteriorated more in terms of defence and set pieces, the basics. Teams are more even for this cycle, even the tier two teams are in excellent physical condition and coached to a very good standard. It's quite remarkable. However, defence is not as strong as it was four years ago. The Bok and Welsh defence of four years ago - even with the turnstiles Damian and Kriel - were superior to any team in this year's competition, especially Wales. Going further back to 2011, and the physicality and defensive solidity was even better yet. The SANZAR big three of today would struggle mightily to compete against the 2011 sides. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Oct 2019, 14:15
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12 Oct 2019, 14:15#5
You miss the point you fool
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2019, 17:46
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12 Oct 2019, 17:46#6

Lizzie 

A lie is a lie and if repeated it still is a lie about that Nonu incident.   There was no way De Allende could have prevented Nonu from running diagionally across the field all he could do is run after him and tackle him which he did.  A physical impossibility and your repeated the stupidity raised by liar Strzok constantly.

So now the attack is ion Erasmus again and not the piss poor Meyer who managed to lose the Japan game,   Under Meyer the Springboks struggle to score tries and the 2015 series was a typical example of it - under Erasmus they manage to double the number of tries scored in the 2019 RC and even though they lost the game against the AB's they did score one against the AB's and for the rest beat the other teams they played against by huge numbers.  

Although it is outside of the WC the Springboks did play the Japanese in Japan before the series and now look at the stats comparison between the latter game and the 2015 loss against Japan in 2015.

                                    Tries scored            Tries scored by Japan/other opponents,

2015                                     4                                    3

2019                                     6                                    1

All other WC opponents 

2015                                     22                                   4

2019                                     27                                   3  

The weird part is that the above figures include the 2019 AB game - which is here comparable to what happened in the 2015 series.   The Springboks lost the AB game which was not really a disgrace in their first WC game in 2019 and in the first WC game in 2015 they were disgraced by Japan.    In 2019 game the AB's scored 2 tries to 1 - in the 2015 match the Springboks scored 4 tries, but still lost the game because the Meyer favourites gave away  3 tries and 12 penalties of which 5 were converted - bad news that as well. 

So the rugby of other countries improved - but the village idiot Lizzie - the lia r - claimed that the improvement under Erasmus  the "trend the Boks haven't been following under Rassie" 

One has to wonder when the Idiot Speaker Lizzie will wake up to reality on site,  

 He is and remain a total Idiot Speaker,   LMAO.              

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2019, 17:46
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12 Oct 2019, 17:46#7

Lizzie 

A lie is a lie and if repeated it still is a lie about that Nonu incident.   There was no way De Allende could have prevented Nonu from running diagionally across the field all he could do is run after him and tackle him which he did.  A physical impossibility and your repeated the stupidity raised by liar Strzok constantly.

So now the attack is ion Erasmus again and not the piss poor Meyer who managed to lose the Japan game,   Under Meyer the Springboks struggle to score tries and the 2015 series was a typical example of it - under Erasmus they manage to double the number of tries scored in the 2019 RC and even though they lost the game against the AB's they did score one against the AB's and for the rest beat the other teams they played against by huge numbers.  

Although it is outside of the WC the Springboks did play the Japanese in Japan before the series and now look at the stats comparison between the latter game and the 2015 loss against Japan in 2015.

                                    Tries scored            Tries scored by Japan/other opponents,

2015                                     4                                    3

2019                                     6                                    1

All other WC opponents 

2015                                     22                                   4

2019                                     27                                   3  

The weird part is that the above figures include the 2019 AB game - which is here comparable to what happened in the 2015 series.   The Springboks lost the AB game which was not really a disgrace in their first WC game in 2019 and in the first WC game in 2015 they were disgraced by Japan.    In 2019 game the AB's scored 2 tries to 1 - in the 2015 match the Springboks scored 4 tries, but still lost the game because the Meyer favourites gave away  3 tries and 12 penalties of which 5 were converted - bad news that as well. 

So the rugby of other countries improved - but the village idiot Lizzie - the lair - claimed that the improvement under Erasmus  the "trend the Boks haven't been following under Rassie" 

One has to wonder when the Idiot Speaker Lizzie will wake up to reality on site,  

 He is and remain a total Idiot Speaker,   LMAO.              

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Oct 2019, 18:04
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12 Oct 2019, 18:04#8
Allende was well behind Pollard who brought up the line, slow off the mark and then got stood up by Nonu....gifting an easy try to Barrett and taking us out of the WC. Now apparently centres can't do anything. Tell that to Goodhue who saw the chance..slammed on the gas dropping Allende.....took the pass in the clear scoring the try. Sure the set defences are tight, but they have been all the way back to Jake's rush defence, which would still be cutting edge today. Talented players find a way, that doesn't include Dud.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2019, 18:17
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12 Oct 2019, 18:17#9

Liar Strozk

You came up with that myth yourself and then claimed that you are one of the best rugby analysts in the world since nobody else came forward with that BS,   The BS is that if De Allende was nearer to Nonu when he  started the run across the field taking into account the angles involved her may not tackle him in the end - the tackle you originally claimed was never made. 

The Goodhue try was also a lie - to be expected from you.  There is NO WAY cDe Allende could remedy the BS caused by Vermeulen - he would have had to have wings to attain what you claimed he should.

You keep repeating lies - have you  no shame?     Stop being an Idiot Speaker it will imrove you image on site,  LMAO  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Oct 2019, 18:26
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12 Oct 2019, 18:26#10
Absolutely right Queer, there was no way Dud could keep up with Goodhue......his brain was slower to react and he was too slow.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2019, 18:35
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12 Oct 2019, 18:35#11

Strzok

Listen doos - De Allende  was meters away from him when Goodgue without the ball ran past him at full pace.  He would have to turn towards the AB tryline and start a run - impossible to catch up physically,   It is really amazing that you are always the only one that comes up with BS like this when it comes to certain players.

And aside from that Steyn made 4 tackles and missed 3 in his last test against Canada amd you tried to produce a BS excuse for that.   That makes you the total Liar in site,   Rugby ig norance runs strongly in you.               

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Oct 2019, 19:34
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12 Oct 2019, 19:34#12
Wow there is so much rugby ignorance on here Most can see the game has moved on somewhat and that centres find it hard to shine If Goodhue was that good week after week he’d be on everyone’s lips He is just like every other centre out there that have their moments which are few and far between FACT Wake up to the fact that this post is not about the individual it’s about the change in the game as a whole Centres had space to operate in in the past they no longer have that luxury
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Oct 2019, 20:13
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12 Oct 2019, 20:13#13
Rugby centres try scoring: Manu Tuilagi 31 starting tests....16 tries....1.94 tests per try Kuridrani 51 tests.....22 tries.....2.3 tests per try Lienert Brown 22 tests.....9 tries....2.4 tests per try Crotty 34 tests.....11 tries.....3.1 tests per try SBW 41 tests....13 tries....3.1 tests per try Goodhue 10 tests....3 tries.....3.3 tests per try Hadleigh Parkes 20 tests.....6 tries.....3.3 tests per try. Kerevi 26 tests....6 tries....4.3 tests per try Jonathan Davies 82 tests....16 tries....5.1 tests per try de la Fuente 38 tests.....7 tries.....5.4 tests per try Aki 22 tests......4 tries.....5.5 tests per try Allende 36 tests....5 tries.....7.2 tests per try ......... Allende is the lowest try scorer among major centres....significantly so. And there is a reason for that, he simply doesn't read the field, is slow to react and because of that is rarely at pace. He has been an anchor on Bok play for 5 years. The numbers make the point clearly .....game, set and match.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Oct 2019, 21:54
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12 Oct 2019, 21:54#14

And also many poor parts of DDA's play that don't show up in stats. 

Would be nice to see if any of the other Boks are as far below par in terms of scores.

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moolaaPro2,380 posts
12 Oct 2019, 22:13
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12 Oct 2019, 22:13#15
Saffex, ALB stars, week in, week out!
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Oct 2019, 22:48
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12 Oct 2019, 22:48#16

Listen doos - De Allende  was meters away from him when Goodgue without the ball ran past him at full pace.  He would have to turn towards the AB tryline and start a run - impossible to catch up physically,   It is really amazing that you are always the only one that comes up with BS like this when it comes to certain players.

Since you insist on repeating this little lie of yours, I will bust it for you again.

Lie #1:

He would have to turn towards the AB tryline and start a run

No, he was already turned as both he and Goodhue started chasing play. Exhibit A: On the top frame you can see both DA (circled in green) and Goodhue (red) facing the same way.

In frame 2 below you can see them both sprinting with DA 2m ahead, which busts lie #2 (impossible to catch up physically,). He didn't have to catch up, he was ahead.


Exhibit B, below: 6m on DA is still ahead by the same margin. The players are matching each other for pace at this stage.

As they reach the halfway line Goodhue makes his move and turns on the gas, starting to draw level . DA keeps chugging along.

Below: Within the 10m between halfway and the 10m line Goodhue makes almost 3m on DA to end up well ahead. There can't be such a great difference in pace between two centers going full tilt - that would mean Goodhue beats DA by 30m in a 100m race. One is slacking along. Guess who.

All DA had to do was chase the play hard and stay between Barrett and Goodhue to stop the pass. Mapimpi finally wakes up to the situation in the last frame and gets some fire up his ass, but far too late.

Look at his gap now, below. You want to tell me #12 green, who started out in front, has been pushing himself? Give me a break. He's given up 20m back already. Goodhue completely owned DA in this move.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2019, 22:56
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12 Oct 2019, 22:56#17

Strzok

The first 28 tests De Allende played in was when two of the worst coaches in rugby history (Meyer and Coetzee) was coaching the Springboks.  Under them the Springbok team had the worst try scoring records imaginable.   The way the games were played and the total ignorance about the role of backline play in attacking is the reason why none of the backline players has a chance to score tries.  

For you to blame De Allende for the abortion caused by the two coaches I mentioned is rich.   What is also rich is that you used to advocate they 90% of the functions of flyhalfs are to kick balls effectively nullifying the scoring of tries by backline players,  If you ever did I must have missed the posting.

Now Strzok what about the atrocious defense by Fat Fransie Steyn?  Did you ever congratulated hte team on the scoring of tries.   If you ever did I must have missed the posting.      

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2019, 23:12
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12 Oct 2019, 23:12#18

Dofdoos - Fact is should De Allende have tackled Goodhue without the ball?   That was the only tine he was within three meters from Goodhue.   The previous set of photos indicated a different scenario and now you have another set possibly a bit later indicating a later position.   

The reasoning of Strzok and you was NEVER mentioned by anybody else in the wide world.   That means it was BS discovered by you two and is basically distortion of the situation,  It is always about two players - De Allende and Du Toit,   If any other player buggers up badly like Vermeulen did in the case of the Goodhue try, the Perth test in 2014 or the missed tackle of Mostert on Sanchez always blame either of the two players,  

That is sick and you should be ashamed of yourself in distortions you two are capable of,   Lies and deceit is not qualities of ordinary honest people - and the honest part where you two fall short.     

            

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Oct 2019, 00:24
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13 Oct 2019, 00:24#19
This is NOT about individual players it’s about how the game has changed. It’s pointless quoting number of tries scored in number of tests played given some on that list started playing test rugby a decade ago Fact is, as de Allende and I have been saying for ages - defences are tighter, play is more structured, space is a rarity at test level - it’s far harder for centres to impress test after test hence the high turnover of centres at test level these days. Moola bulkshit does LB impress every test - what utter horseshit Fact is so many of you are judging centres based on the likes of the impressions BOD etc had on the game back then Put BOD in today’s test environment and he would be in exactly the same boat as all the modern test 13’s today If I was wrong then we would see the same centre pair appear for NZ, SA, Oz , Ireland, England etc test after test for a good few years. Reality is, it’s SBW at 12 for a week or two then it’s Crotty. Same applies at 13, it’s Goodhue, then LB or Crotty. Throw Laumape into the equation as well. Where is the loyalty and investment in a pair. It just does not happen as the coach is caught up with seeking that player who stands out week after week. That player does not exist in modern test rugby. At best these guys look solid, they spend most the time in traffic having to hit it up with the odd break thrown in to restore the faith. Unfortunately many of those breaks have a short life span as the cover defences are there to meet you. It’s hard being a test centre these days and it’s about time supporters took stock of this reality instead of bashing players all the time. We judge our centres harshly without looking at the reality of what is happening with other test centres out there. Huw Jones, Kurandrani, Laumape, Janse v Rensburg, Jessie Kriel, Teo, etc are feeling the pinch right now
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2019, 01:09
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13 Oct 2019, 01:09#20
But many on the list are much more recent than Dud.....Leinert Brown, Goodhue, Parkes, Kerevi, Aki......these guys don't seem to be struggling with the same issues that hamstring Dud. So what does he do, create tries? Nope in the last year including the Fall internationals in 2018 the poor bugger has one try assist.....against 14man Canada......a game in which Frans also had a try assist in his first full game in years. This article seems like a cry for help, he has no clue what to make of modern defences......frankly he is admitting defeat. Past time to moveon.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Oct 2019, 01:30
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13 Oct 2019, 01:30#21
An inside centre is not defined by how many tries he scores. It’s not a cry for help he does not need help for Coetzee before and now Rassie see the value in de Allende and they rate him for he remains in their squads. What he is saying is the reality of the modern day test arena where making a lasting impression is that much harder than even 4 years ago. Aki, SBW, Crotty, Parkes, Beale, Teo etc have not stood out more than de Allende over the past few years - for me he is better than most of those de Allende’s strength is his strength - he like Kerevi, Tuilagi and Laumape they have the physicality to bust that first tackle and carry the momentum forward. Most of them are not great at looking to offload as SBW did in his prime and for me that is de Allende’s shortfall. Against Italy however he offloaded 3 times which was good to see. Fact is the offload goes hand in hand with feeling good about your game and judging by de Allende’s current form he looks to be in a good place. Changing the centre partnership and 10 cannot help the cause. For a period it was Jantjies, de Allende and Kriel..... now we see Pollard, de Allende and Am. You can’t tell me it does not take time to get used to new players on either side of you. While getting used to the new I’m guessing de Allende sticks with just doing the basics which is head down take contact, get forward momentum and set up the next phase. A few tests in with Am and he is now in a better place and playing with more freedom hence the odd offload coming into the equation. This is how rugby players are wired
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2019, 01:36
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13 Oct 2019, 01:36#22
Nice analysis Pakie.....permit me to repeat the punch line that seems to escape the Dudosi. All Dud had to do was run Barrett into the defender by staying with Goodhue. But he gave up, it was all too much trouble.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2019, 01:38
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13 Oct 2019, 01:38#23
It's a point of view Dave, but I don't believe it for one second......scoring tries and creating tries defines centre play.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Oct 2019, 01:51
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13 Oct 2019, 01:51#24
Disagree, inside centres are not defined by the number of tries they score or the number of tries they set up - they are defined by how productive they are at creating forward momentum either through taking contact, making a break and offsetting a support player or putting a player into space through a good pass or kick and being both a solid defender plus marshalling the backline defence as a whole. The perfect 12 is a creative one who creates for his 13 to run off. Every run off does not lead to a try in fact probably on 5% do. So you can’t define a 12 by how many tries he creates or scores himself from structured play.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2019, 02:05
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13 Oct 2019, 02:05#25
Very convenient.....but when I beg you with tears in my eyes has Dud ever created anything for anybody outside him. Playing outside Dud is like Gobi desert.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Oct 2019, 02:19
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13 Oct 2019, 02:19#26
Yep he does as frequently as any other 12 out there for if he was not he would not be playing test rugby. 3 offloads against Italy would have created 3 opportunities as would his passing or taking contact and setting up the next phase One would swear all the other test 12’s out there create so much Keep dreaming Moz The joke is you think Frans creates more when in fact he can’t even get the basics right anymore. You bash de Allende yet find favour in an old man who since his return has done nothing of note except get exposed for being so slow and cumbersome
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2019, 05:02
#27
13 Oct 2019, 05:02#27

Strzok, Liza Page and Comey 

The two most rugby illiterate and prejudiced BSters on site.   They are a pair with Liza Page the third of the three Liarkreteers on site.   Meyer was wonderful in 2015 when loosing all RC matches and Erasmus was bad despite the fact that the Springboks won the trophy in 2019 with two large wins and a draw.   The point difference in 2015 was minus 23 in 2015 and plus 51 in 2019 - that obviously does not count at all.   All the three dolts did was not a word of congratulation to the Springboks winning the trophy at all - but an all-out attack on their normal targets -  Du Toit and De Allende.

I have never seen such BS in my life before.   If they cannot normally find incidents they invent them by writing totally unrealistic BS on site.  Whenever they suddenly open up issues that nobody else discovered, they thrive on BS in describing non-existent faults.   So you get absurd situations like -

*   Mostert missed a tackle - but blame Du Toit for the miss;

*    Vermeulen spilled the ball and the All Blacks get easy possession and scored a try - but lets not blame Vermeulen for it - blame De Allende for not making a totally irrational tackle;

*    Steyn missed tackle after tackle against Canada - but he makes real tackles De Allende make fake ones.

*    Meyer picked a dud squad containing 8 non-playable players in the 2015 WC squad - Erasmus picked according to them a worse squad because he included - guess who - Du Toit, De Jager, Kriel, Reinach and De Allende in the squad.

One can go on and on about their crazy descriptions and write a longer list stretching over 5 or more years and the same lies are repeated all the time.  That is why I wish them regularly a Happy Liars and Distortion Day - they thoroughly deserve it,  LMAO.

                           .  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2019, 05:38
#28
13 Oct 2019, 05:38#28
And happy provincial worker's retirement day to you Poofter.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2019, 12:31
#29
13 Oct 2019, 12:31#29

Ag himmell - the Liar does not even know I never was a "provincial worker" as he claimed,    As per normal he lies even about that one.   The man is an idiot supreme.  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2019, 12:31
#30
13 Oct 2019, 12:31#30

Ag himmell - the Liar does not even know I never was a "provincial worker" as he claimed,    As per normal he lies even about that one.   The man is an idiot supreme.  

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