care to step up to the plate?
Captain12,893 posts
23 Mar 2014, 05:33
#1
23 Mar 2014, 05:33#1
De Jongh Knockers.....
Started by Denny28 REPLIES828 VIEWS· 23 Mar 2014, 05:33
Pro4,146 posts
23 Mar 2014, 05:36
#2
23 Mar 2014, 05:36#2
De Jongh is a great player. He just needs the right coach to make use of his talents. In NZ, Benji Marshall needs to move to the Chiefs from the Blues. Talented player but bad head coach.
Captain49,914 posts
23 Mar 2014, 05:45
#3
23 Mar 2014, 05:45#3
The main knocker in question simply doesn't have the integrity to step up
Captain12,893 posts
23 Mar 2014, 06:02
#4
23 Mar 2014, 06:02#4
Ja, no need to name drop.....pretty disgusting really!
Coach57,555 posts
23 Mar 2014, 06:14
#5
23 Mar 2014, 06:14#5
Mozart
One swallow does not make the summer. De Jongh has been poor last year - the worst defender imaginable. He did two good things yesterday - now suddenly he is the best player around. I do not like one-match wonders - like you do. I still have serious reservations about him and he will not last the season without bombing out - to weak a player to perform on a continuous basis.
One swallow does not make the summer. De Jongh has been poor last year - the worst defender imaginable. He did two good things yesterday - now suddenly he is the best player around. I do not like one-match wonders - like you do. I still have serious reservations about him and he will not last the season without bombing out - to weak a player to perform on a continuous basis.
Captain49,914 posts
23 Mar 2014, 06:21
#6
23 Mar 2014, 06:21#6
As I said Denny, the poor, frail ego doesn't permit the poster in question to be objective. Nobody gets it more wrong, more often, with more silence.
Coach57,555 posts
23 Mar 2014, 10:53
#7
23 Mar 2014, 10:53#7
Mozart
Nothin personal - I recognize only facts - not fiction. I do not accept one match wonders - the series will tell us what he can produce. Based on the past two years - the signs are not promising. Sp lets discuss the question next week again.
Nothin personal - I recognize only facts - not fiction. I do not accept one match wonders - the series will tell us what he can produce. Based on the past two years - the signs are not promising. Sp lets discuss the question next week again.
Coach57,555 posts
23 Mar 2014, 10:53
#8
23 Mar 2014, 10:53#8
Mozart
Nothing personal - I recognize only facts - not fiction. I do not accept one match wonders - the series will tell us what he can produce. Based on the past two years - the signs are not promising. So le ts discuss the question next week again.
Nothing personal - I recognize only facts - not fiction. I do not accept one match wonders - the series will tell us what he can produce. Based on the past two years - the signs are not promising. So le ts discuss the question next week again.
Captain12,893 posts
23 Mar 2014, 11:16
#9
23 Mar 2014, 11:16#9
Mike, Just try your damdnest to say something decent about De Jongh....just one thing, that's all I ask, surely it can't be that hard.
Pro2,471 posts
23 Mar 2014, 11:32
#10
23 Mar 2014, 11:32#10
De Jong is limited by his really poor decision making.
Club Pro713 posts
23 Mar 2014, 13:46
#11
23 Mar 2014, 13:46#11
As poor as Goosen's in leaving his guard role at the ruck? Hahahaha! You know how to call them Shezza
De Jongh was always a great prospect at 13, but was stuffed up at 12 for a long time and now he is in Death Valley for good backline players. He would be sensational at the Cheetahs or the Lions, or Sharks. Better than being a spectator for under the hapless Coetzee.
De Jongh was always a great prospect at 13, but was stuffed up at 12 for a long time and now he is in Death Valley for good backline players. He would be sensational at the Cheetahs or the Lions, or Sharks. Better than being a spectator for under the hapless Coetzee.
Pro2,471 posts
23 Mar 2014, 14:05
#12
23 Mar 2014, 14:05#12
I don't know how to respond to you, you're truly too hypocritical for one to comprehend.
Club Pro713 posts
23 Mar 2014, 14:17
#13
23 Mar 2014, 14:17#13
"I don't know how to respond to you" <Google Translator> "I insert tail between legs in fear of the egg that cometh like a thief in the night"
Captain49,914 posts
23 Mar 2014, 14:51
#14
23 Mar 2014, 14:51#14
De Jongh outplayed JJ when they meet head-on last year. A fact that was conveniently ignored. He is a better centre, because he understands the position...in all sorts of ways. He gets forward to make forcing tackles.....JJ hangs back. De Jongh goes low and finishes the tackle, JJ goes high.....every frigging time....and waits for help to finish the tackle. De Jongh runs much better lines.
You are right Shezza he is a not great passer like Jean or Bod....but neither is JJ.
I personally think he is more of a bench centre than a Bok starter, but the rubbish that has been directed his way is not cool.
Coach57,555 posts
23 Mar 2014, 16:25
#15
23 Mar 2014, 16:25#15
Mozart
You miss the topic here - it is about De Jongh not JJ Engelbrecht.
I think that players like JJ going high suffers from a serious technical deficiency - but they normally do not miss as many tackles as De Jongh does - his tackle stats showed it last year.
Problem is that De Jongh is really too small and light to play at center - the result is that players often enough run over or through him with his best endeavours going low.
I have reservations of my own about JJ - but I have even worse reservations about De Jongh.
You miss the topic here - it is about De Jongh not JJ Engelbrecht.
I think that players like JJ going high suffers from a serious technical deficiency - but they normally do not miss as many tackles as De Jongh does - his tackle stats showed it last year.
Problem is that De Jongh is really too small and light to play at center - the result is that players often enough run over or through him with his best endeavours going low.
I have reservations of my own about JJ - but I have even worse reservations about De Jongh.
Captain40,032 posts
23 Mar 2014, 19:21
#16
23 Mar 2014, 19:21#16
De Jongh has had so many chances. He has seldom delivered. Okay maybe it has been partly the team he plays for where the backline has failed to really funtion under Coetzee. De Jongh though has fatal flaws. His distribution is appallingly bad. By now that should be sorted. His defemce is medicore. Its not too late for him to come right but to me I would play him off the bench for the Stormers as I said before.
What baffles me is why Jake would recommend Alistair to succeesd him rather than Meyer!!! Look what Meyer did for the Bulle. The Boks backline whas poor when cochd by Alistair and hence Jake calling up Eddie Jones who made a big difference. I find this disturbing. Also disturbing was Jakes mocking of the Bulle style of play which has not been nearly as one dimensional as Jake suggested. It was downright insulting. Now look at the egg!
What baffles me is why Jake would recommend Alistair to succeesd him rather than Meyer!!! Look what Meyer did for the Bulle. The Boks backline whas poor when cochd by Alistair and hence Jake calling up Eddie Jones who made a big difference. I find this disturbing. Also disturbing was Jakes mocking of the Bulle style of play which has not been nearly as one dimensional as Jake suggested. It was downright insulting. Now look at the egg!
Captain49,914 posts
23 Mar 2014, 21:46
#17
23 Mar 2014, 21:46#17
HasBeen seriously. You say de Jongh is a weak defender. But his international stats show about 90 per cent of his tackles made, and I remember no test try he could have prevented. And then you rate JJ who let Barrett and the Bargie 13 through for tries. ...and was outfoxed for a 40 metre try by Adrian Strauss of all players.
My sense is you just don't like de Jongh.
My sense is you just don't like de Jongh.
Captain30,741 posts
24 Mar 2014, 14:39
#18
24 Mar 2014, 14:39#18
de Jongh's ran all of how many metres to score that try and handed all of one little guy off, it was a good try but hardly earth shattering and does not detract from the fact that he is too small for 13 evidenced s eason after season........there is a reason the guy no longer has a Bok contract.
We will shortly see how much he gets exposed, for no doubt useless Coeztee will elevate him to the starting 13 spot in the very near future and de Allende will find himself on the bench once again
Captain30,741 posts
24 Mar 2014, 14:42
#19
24 Mar 2014, 14:42#19
Ah Moz, so let me guess Jean and Morne had nothing to do with the Barrett try and Jannie had nothing to do with the Bosch try??????
This is about as accurate as JJ and Serfontein only having an inside step.......its a joke
There is a reason JJ has a Bok contract and de Jongh does not........do the maths
Captain30,741 posts
24 Mar 2014, 14:44
#20
24 Mar 2014, 14:44#20
Oh yes and de Jongh has NEVER out played JJ one on one............not even close
Coach57,555 posts
24 Mar 2014, 14:48
#21
24 Mar 2014, 14:48#21
Saffex
Can you remember how Mozart wrote praise songs like it was unbelievable after5 De Jongh scored the try in the CC final - and how it was the ebst try scored by any backline player for years - which obviously was BS
The hype was incredible and Meyer fell for it - only to see the lack of doing anything in the Scotland Test and t he Twickenham test where he went AWOL.
This is just a repeat of that episode - so we will have to live with it for the moment and have a really good weapon to aim at Mozart in future.
Can you remember how Mozart wrote praise songs like it was unbelievable after5 De Jongh scored the try in the CC final - and how it was the ebst try scored by any backline player for years - which obviously was BS
The hype was incredible and Meyer fell for it - only to see the lack of doing anything in the Scotland Test and t he Twickenham test where he went AWOL.
This is just a repeat of that episode - so we will have to live with it for the moment and have a really good weapon to aim at Mozart in future.
Captain30,741 posts
24 Mar 2014, 14:53
#22
24 Mar 2014, 14:53#22
I like de Jongh as a player, but he is not physical enough for a centre.......a centre needs grunt in the modern game to impose themselves physically in traffic.......de Jongh cant do that, he cant drive a player backwards in contact and gets bounced around in traffic with ball in hand.
He is good in space, has good pace and a great step, he also has a great tackling technique when effecting low open field tackles.
He is half baked......if he was 10kg's heavier, he would be awesome.
There is no place in modern rugby for a 87kg outside centre. I would play de Jongh on the wing
Pro1,870 posts
24 Mar 2014, 16:03
#23
24 Mar 2014, 16:03#23
I like JJ as a player, but he is not physical enough for a
centre.......a centre needs grunt in the modern game to impose
themselves physically in traffic.......JJ cant do that, he cant
drive a player backwards in contact and gets bounced around in traffic
with ball in hand.
He is good in space, has good pace and a great step, he also has a great tackling technique when effecting low open field tackles.
He is half baked......if he was 10kg's heavier, he would be awesome.
There is no place in modern rugby for a 95kg outside centre with skinny legs. I would play JJ on the wing
Captain49,914 posts
24 Mar 2014, 16:08
#24
24 Mar 2014, 16:08#24
Aint that the truth Matey. Every single time JJ makes contact with a ball carrier he goes backwards....anywhere from 2 metres to 12 metres.
Captain30,741 posts
24 Mar 2014, 17:30
#25
24 Mar 2014, 17:30#25
Maitey you are another thick prick
Pro1,870 posts
24 Mar 2014, 19:25
#26
24 Mar 2014, 19:25#26
Thanks Saff - I really feel like I've earned my stripes with you calling me names
Just trying to show that one man's De Jongh is another man's JJ.
Just trying to show that one man's De Jongh is another man's JJ.
Captain40,032 posts
24 Mar 2014, 21:20
#27
24 Mar 2014, 21:20#27
Moz my suggestion for JJ is he is best suited to wing - like De Jongh. His centre play has improved but he lacks clout.
Captain49,914 posts
24 Mar 2014, 22:20
#28
24 Mar 2014, 22:20#28
De Jongh is a centre HasBEEN....he plays like a centre. JJ feels lost without the touchline as his friend....this silly experiment has to stop, he has never converted from wing think to centre think.
Coach57,555 posts
24 Mar 2014, 23:50
#29
24 Mar 2014, 23:50#29
Mozart
De Jongh deserve credit for two runs - the one with a gaping hole in front of him - allowing to score a try. However, he attempted two tackles and missed one. Any comment on that?
He is starting off with a 50% missed tackle ratio this year - is he going to be worse than last year?
De Jongh deserve credit for two runs - the one with a gaping hole in front of him - allowing to score a try. However, he attempted two tackles and missed one. Any comment on that?
He is starting off with a 50% missed tackle ratio this year - is he going to be worse than last year?
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