I truly can't remember .
Did Bryce ever apologise ?
Even if he did make mistakes (and I'm still to find even one indignant and finger-pointing South African ref-basher who can articulate these alleged mistakes he made . . . the only blatant mistake I remember from that game is Bryce Lawrence not allowing James O'Connor to retake a conversion when the Springboks charged too early) . . . but I digress, even if he did make mistakes, do you see rugby players apologising for knock-ons or other mistakes they make on the field? Do you see flyhalves apologising for missed kicks? Why is it different for refs? It's not a truth and reconciliation commission for crying out loud, it's a game of rugby and this idea that a ref has to apologise for alleged mistakes after every game is just plain ridiculous.
Bryce Lawrence was never fired or relieved of his duties because of incompetence or poor performance. He did state that he was not prepared to travel to South Africa to ref games after he received death threats from blubbering excuse-making little crybabies who chose to blame Bryce Lawrence for that RWC QF defeat rather than blame the pathetic game plan that involved Victor Matfield and Schalk Burger being used as the flyhalf and the inside centre. The IRB obviously couldn't have a member of their panel refusing to ref in a specific country so that is why he stepped down.
Bryce Lawrence was (and probably still would be) a world-class referee . . . easily one of the top 10 referees in the world . . . a decent rugby-loving man just trying to do his job, whose career was ended in one of the most shameful, embarrassing and disgusting episodes in South African rugby history.
Bull-s h i t Rooi Rooi
Bryce had one of the worst games by any referee in any rugby game, not just a world cup rugby game, any game.
It was both disturbing and disgusting what he let the Aussies get away with in that game, expecially in the last 15 - 20 mins.
South Africa did not do themselves any favours either with the quality of rugby they put on offer that day.
If you call that effective reffing though, then you have no concept of right or wrong.
He justly deserved the harsh criticism that he got regarding his reffing, and that's it, but he manned up to it and admitted getting a few things wrong and thats ockay by me.
Accepting you did something wrong is one thing, but trying to intimate that nothing wrong happened at all like you have done here, is just plain ignorance and stupidity on your part, when the man himself admitted his mistakes in that game.
Read these you stupid moron
http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/10/11/lawrence-blunders-his-way-out-of-a-rwc-semi-final/
http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/story/157918.html
CLAIMS by New Zealand referee Bryce Lawrence that his controversial handling of the Wallabies-Springboks World Cup quarter-final last year was affected by criticism of him by John O'Neill have been dismissed by the ARU boss.
In one of the most extraordinary matches in World Cup history, Australia defeated South Africa 11-9 in Wellington a year ago despite the fact the Springboks spent 76 per cent of the match in Australia's territory a nd forced the Wallabies to make 147 tackles to their 57.
Lawrence made a number of critical decisions in Australia's favour, repeatedly awarding David Pocock penalties at the breakdown, some of them within metres of his own tryline.
On his return to South Africa, retiring captain John Smit, normally one of the most diplomatic figures in the game, lashed Lawrence's performance. "I suppose one of the positives is that I will never have to be reffed by Bryce Lawrence again," Smit said.
Within days of the match, a Facebook petition to stop Lawrence refereeing another match had attracted 60,000 hits and such was the volatility of the emotion against him in South Africa SANZAR this year decided not to appoint him to matches in the republic.
In the end, Lawrence this week quit the career he loves to take up a role as the NZRU's high performance referee reviewer. He has no doubt it was the Wallabies-Springboks game that effectively ended his career. "There was some pretty nasty political stuff going on about that appointment," he said this week.
"I refereed Australia versus Ireland (in the pool round) and Ireland had won but behind the scenes guys like (Australian chief executive) John O'Neill were kicking up a massive stink. I knew a bit about that and it was enough to affect me, and it probably made me freeze on the biggest stage." O'Neill, who will stand down as the ARU's chief executive at the end of the month, yesterday rejected Lawrence's assertion.
"Let's face facts," he said in a statement to The Australian. "I did not appoint the referees at the Rugby World Cup. The reality is that Bryce was given the quarter-final to control and he was the one in the middle, not me.
"Just as pertinently, his performances were judged by refereeing assessors, not by me."
Lawrence also admitted that pre-match media criticism of the appointment of a non-neutral referee for last year's Reds-Crusaders Super Rugby final also influenced his performance.
"Again, I didn't make decisions and let the outside pressure change what I do," he said.
Ewen McKenzie, coach of the victorious Reds, admitted Lawrence took a laissez-faire approach to the breakdown in last year's final but insisted neither side benefited.Ironically, he submitted a three-page critique of Lawrence's handling of the return game with the Crusaders in Christchurch this year, a match controversially won 15-11 by the home team. SANZAR refereeing manager Lyndon Bray, himself a former NZ Test referee, last night expressed sympathy for Lawrence.
"At different times in every one of our careers, the mental card becomes the critical one," Bray said. "Do you become aware of external pressure? Yes, you do and at times it plays a part in how you perform. I've no doubt Bryce was aware of that pressure. He wouldn't be talking about it if he wasn't."
Admitting and shifting the blame? Yes
Apology? Never in a million years.
You make some valid points Wardad, but saying Rooi is on the money is not one of them.
Rooi wouldn't see sense if it bit him right between the eyes, swelled his head to twice it's size, and turned the colour Yellow.
He would think all is well with the world
Enuf said
Again very good points, and with a lot I agree
But this
"Even if he did make mistakes (and I'm still to find even one indignant and finger-pointing South African ref-basher who can articulate these alleged mistakes he made . . . the only blatant mistake I remember from that game is Bryce Lawrence not allowing James O'Connor to retake a conversion when the Springboks charged too early)"
"whose career was ended in one of the most shameful, embarrassing and disgusting episodes in South African rugby history."
Is the kak I am talking about
Bryce ended his career all on his own, period. He did himself no favours with that game. He is still involved with rugby, and all very the best to him.
Failing to recognise when mistakes really were made is the crux of this debate, nothing else.
I don't give a toss now what happened then, but to try and convince people nothing actually happend is just plain stupid and ignorant
It's like........ being a complete idiot like someone called Rooinek
Well there is this:
'THE Wallabies are banking on a fair deal at scrum time from controversial referee Bryce Lawrence tomorrow night after the whistleblower admitted he bungled several key decisions in their loss to Ireland.
Lawrence will referee the Wallabies for the third time in the World Cup tomorrow when they meet the Springboks in Wellington, having so far caned the Wallabies 21-12 in penalties in games against Ireland and Russia.
Many of the Kiwi referee's decisions in the 15-6 win by Ireland at Eden Park - particularly at the scrum - appeared to baffle the Wallabies, and allowed Ireland to knock over decisive penalties or repel Australian pressure.
But in a crucial twist, The Daily Telegraph understands Lawrence later made admissions he had got several calls wrong at the scrum - including one that led to an Ireland penalty goal - and conceded other decisions were also inaccurate.
IRB referees boss Paddy O'Brien declined to comment when questioned on Lawrence's admissions last night. The revelations place Lawrence fairly in the spotlight for tomorrow night's game and the Wallabies would no doubt be desperately hoping to get an overdue break from the referee.
Including the Tri Nations win over the Springboks, Lawrence has blown 33 penalties against the Wallabies and only 18 in three games this year."
Our pals the Wallabies had Bryce thoroughly softened up before this game. The mental warfare was rife. And Bryce obliged....starting with the Pocock kick through the ruck from an offside position which led directly to the Horwill try. Then there was the denied Lambie try....a drift pass call which 90 per cent of refs would have called for the Boks. Jean was stopped at the pass, but he would otherwise have been two strides ahead of Lambie when he received the ball....ie it was drift.
Bryce may be a decent bloke and I would never condone any physical threats, but he made crucial mistakes. Mistakes I believe he was more likely to make because of the kind of pressure you can read above.
Reffing is a professional activity. Fans should expect the refs to get it right....and when all the wrong calls go in one direction, they have a right to be suspicious.
Stop moaning about Bryce Lawrence. He may have made a few mistakes - but with that team of fat, over-aged and useless geriatrics as a team - there is only one way we could have gone in that WC and that is o ut. The selections amde determined the outcome an early exoit by the Springboks.
A pity is you want half ogf that uiseless bunvh in the Springbok team - not surprising that we think you are touched upstairs.
Oh well, no point in crying over spilt milk. Before anyone say's that's contradictory, all I'm saying is those of you who are supporting Bryce Lawrence are ignorant.
Lawrence allowed Pockock to get away with murder and he failed to allow the Boks the same leniency.
I was at the game and to repeat a story, the morning after the game standing at a set of lights waiting to cross the road, a total stranger(ozzie) who noticed my Bok jumper, looked at me and remarked that Lawerence had done the wrong thing by allowing Pockock to transgress in the manner that he did. I don't know the fella, he was and remains a total stranger and I'll rest my case on that note.
We could death threat any of the following refs, yet after all our mutterings, we concede that the Fault lies entirely 100% with the ABs and Saders for not winning the game within the 80minutes given (even though sometimes the ref allows extra time to continue and the ball going dead TWICE after full time in 2000 to allow the Wallabies to win - Jonathan Kaplan I am looking directly at you).
Fact is, there was nothing to fear from your 2011 Springboks unless of course they had signed a contract with Suzie Catering Co to provide nutritional services to the ABs
It was so bad it could not have even been an off day. Bok management counted 46 errors.
His sole objective was to hand Oz a victory and remove the Boks.
No less a person than Prof Tom Noakes called for an enquiry. It would seem that behind doors one was held. Fortunatley the IRB acted and brycy was fored from the IRB panel of elite refs. The kiws tries to brazen ot out and in a disgusting mocve made bryce their ref of the year removing any remaining doubt of just how bent they are. The other party to the crime was Paddy O'brien another nz oak who also was removed after the world cup. This was the most obviously rigged RWC ever. Unfortunately our own Craig Joubert was also part of the problem handing the RWC to a poor nz side (outplayed by France by some way on the day) on a platter.
There should be no lamenting wee brycys departure by any honest rugby fan. Rugby cannot survive refs of that type.The IRB needs to be very vigilant re refs and in partcular bent down under refs - most particularly bent kiwi refs who are the pits.Ou hacked waaugh and the kbbs complain bitterly about one forward pass and seek to equate this with brycy's appaling efforts. Bwahahhahahahahahaha no go kbbs. I would have taken Wayne Barnes long, long, long before that rotter brycy.
Beeno compeltely intolerant of bent refs. Away with them they have no place in the beautiful game.
Ou maaaikie your take on the game is totally rediculous. A comment WORTHY OF CERUDUNCE WINDPOMP. This half wit come to the conclusion that because Danie made an error to allow O'Connor to slot the winning goal kick we cant complain. The half wit ignores all that went before. Given a normal competent ref it would have been disappointing to win by less than 20 points at a minimum.Brycy I belived mentioned he made errors but never apologised. The apology should of course come from the NZ rugby board but never will.
This surely was the most disgraceful episode ever at international level and ended any doubts in my mind about the cynical approach of nz to the game. The cumulative evidence was overwhelming. Not even Oz were as bad. They have had some bad eggs like Dickinson etc.Away with bent refs!
Clearly Beeno is Daffy & he is pointing everyone in the wrong direction as usual, lol
Evidence provided by JW surveillance systems
If you cant see how bad brycy was there is NO help for you.
End of story.
46 errors is not bad its apalling particualry when there is such very evident BIAS. Dan Retief counted five hands in rucks by the Wobblies when we were near their line. They got away with it in all 5 instances. No excuses. What happened was a total disgrace. That he could be made nz ref of the year was disgusting. How much egg landed on nz when brycy was fired and where is he today - gone and rightly so. I am not saying brycy couldnt ref a game. He just chose not to.
Tolerate this and rugby would collapse.
This world cup left a very bad taste and many thought it was rigged by nz. A total disgrace and may it never happen again. Unfortunatly the favouring of Nz sides has continued right up to the the recent matches against England B.(Super 15 sodes also get favoured)
One senses a change in attitude with Kaplans comments. If so it's about time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Away with the wee abs RAWs!
Thanks cerudunce windpomp foir this nice article.
The Boks have seldom ever been as dominant againt oz as they were in this game!!!!
Get, a grip Mike you are way away out! What a stupid viewpoint.
AS FOR ROOITWIT HE HAS BEEN A SUPPORTER OF BAD REFFING ALL HIS TEDIOUS LIFE. Wapred DUD keep squealing about that one forward pass.
Bryce Lawrence was there to eliminate the Boks which he did and was accordongly made nz ref of the year as a reward. Look to the beneficiary to understand what happened - wee abs were playing poor rugby as they were outplayed even by the poor French team.They could never have beaten thsi bok team that was buuilding areally good head of steam. They knew it and had planedd for this eventuality - the plan was bryce lawrence.This was not a meltdown by a ref who could ref if the chose to.
Case closed!
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