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Does Ludeke never learn?

Started by Saffolk 39 REPLIES625 VIEWS· 29 Jan 2014, 14:44
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Jan 2014, 14:44
#1
29 Jan 2014, 14:44#1

He has selected an A and a B side to play warm up games against the Lions and Stormers.

 

 

Bulls v Golden Lions: 15 Clayton Blommetjies, 14 Travis Ismaiel, 13 William Small-Smith, 12 Ulrich Beyers, 11 Jesse Kriel, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Piet van Zyl, 8 Jacques Engelbrecht, 7 Jacques du Plessis, 6 Jono Ross, 5 David Bulbring, 4 Paul Willemse, 3 Frik Kirsten, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 Marcel van der Merwe.
Replacements from: Bandise Maku, Juan Schoeman, Hencus van Wyk, Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg, Wiaan Liebenberg, Rudi Paige, Tian Schoeman, Waylon Murray, Ryan Nell, Jacques-Louis Potgieter.

Date: Saturday, February 1
Venue: Peter Mokaba Stadium, Polokwane

  Bulls v Stormers:
15 Jurgen Visser, 14 Akona Ndungane, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Jan Kick-off: 15:00 local, 13:00 GMT
Referee: Jaco van Heerden
Serfontein, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Louis Fouché, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies (captain), 7 Arno Botha, 6 Deon Stegmann, 5 Grant Hattingh, 4 Flip van der Merwe, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Callie Visagie, 1 Dean Greyling.
Replacements from:
Bandise Maku, Marcel van der Merwe, Hencus van Wyk, Jono Ross, Rudi Paige, Handré Pollard, Ulrich Beyers, Travis Ismaiel.

Why on earth does he persist with Werner Kruger and Dean Greyling ahead of Frik Kirsten and Marcel v/d Merwe at prop.........both proved far better in the CC, with Kirsten being rewarded with a Bok call-up on the EOYT.

 

 

Why is Jacques du Plessis still being wasted at 7 when he is clearly a lock?

 

 

How on earth can you play lightweight Hattingh at 5 ahead of Willmese in the A side? Surely Willemse at 4, with Flip at 5 would make better sense?

 

 

Disappointing to see Dries Swanepoel not making the B side at 13 ahead of Small-Smith or young centre Rohan Janse van Rensburg not getting a look in on the bench

 

 

Beyers at 12 is a quality player, but mostly plays 15 and 13. Jessie Kriel on the wing is a star in the making, he is usually at 15.

 

 

Ludeke fails to impress

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jan 2014, 15:56
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29 Jan 2014, 15:56#2
Dave can you see JJ keeping your former favourite Waylon Murray on the bench? You do remember when you told us Murray was a great centre prospect?  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Jan 2014, 16:42
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29 Jan 2014, 16:42#3

Murray was damn good, but injury got the better of him. He was a far better centre investment that Adi Jacobs or de Jongh.

 

 

He is now past his best days, but was pretty good last year when he did play  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jan 2014, 18:15
#4
29 Jan 2014, 18:15#4
Murray wasn't an investment....he was an expense. You lawyers just don't get accounting.
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sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
29 Jan 2014, 19:00
#5
29 Jan 2014, 19:00#5
Murray had one almost one season that he was not injured, for the rest of his career he just preparing for his next injury. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Jan 2014, 19:26
#6
29 Jan 2014, 19:26#6

 

Yep, better centre than Jacobs and de Jongh, but injury was the victor  

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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
30 Jan 2014, 12:48
#7
30 Jan 2014, 12:48#7
 At his best he was a useful player, not a great one. Better than de Jongh? I would say not.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
30 Jan 2014, 13:04
#8
30 Jan 2014, 13:04#8
 Beefcake Murray? ....must be one of the most ordinary of players I've ever seen.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jan 2014, 13:40
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30 Jan 2014, 13:40#9
Denny, cricket is your strength!!  
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
30 Jan 2014, 14:00
#10
30 Jan 2014, 14:00#10
 Who is that in your avatar Saffex? It reminds me of a young Yngwie Malmsteen. Another rebel type, but grand virtuoso guitarist.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jan 2014, 14:09
#11
30 Jan 2014, 14:09#11
Jim Morrison of the Doors  
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Jan 2014, 14:23
#12
30 Jan 2014, 14:23#12
"Who is that in your avatar Saffex?"

My goodness some of you people are ignorant.

Alucar . . . sorry, I mean Sun-Tzwat . . . you should be embarrassed not recognizing one of the most famous and well known musicians of all time. It's Jim Morrison, chump . . . and if you're going to ask me who Jim Morrison is, rather just google him, okay?

Phew!
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Jan 2014, 14:24
#13
30 Jan 2014, 14:24#13
Saffex, you beat me to it . . . and you're a lot more tolerant of morons than I am!
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
30 Jan 2014, 14:30
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30 Jan 2014, 14:30#14
 Jim Morrison? Why would I know him? I know the best of the best musically and he is not amongst that pantheon.

Halavato needs to cool down and lower the stupid level.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Jan 2014, 14:36
#15
30 Jan 2014, 14:36#15
"Jim Morrison? Why would I know him? I know the best of the best musically and he is not amongst that pantheon."

Waaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!

Wait, Aluca . . . sorry, Sun Tzwat . . . let me guess . . . your "pantheon" includes Justine Bieber, Miley Cyrus and Nicki Minaj?

Stupid  little snot-nosed punks talking crap about a subject they know nothing about . . . "Jim Morrison? Why would I know him?" . . . LMAO!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jan 2014, 14:43
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30 Jan 2014, 14:43#16
Sun your best of the best when it comes to music sounds like something my late grandmother would listen to  
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
31 Jan 2014, 00:00
#17
31 Jan 2014, 00:00#17
Saffex, answer your own question boet. Fuck Ludeke, the real question is: Does Saffex never learn??
Keep touting dead beat players. Maybe in your dream team you can have jantjies at 10, Mnisi at 12 and Murray at 13...ha ha idiot.
Rooipoes, why do you only rear your ugly head to have a go at someone. Never just to interact. Are you that bored and unhappy in your life?Interesting statement around tolerance of morons. This does serve to explain why you are so unhappy from the core out. Perhaps you are showing signs of self intolerance.
Fuck Jim Morrison. He may not be everyone's cup of tea just like Bryan Adams or Kurt cobain. You must remember, you have 65 years on most of us. If you have so much energy to type, why don't you reach over and turn off the machines that keep you going you decrepit old bastard.
Why don't you tell us a happy story like when your drunken father took you to meet Amelia Earhart as a teenager in 1937 before she embarked on her flight!  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jan 2014, 11:09
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31 Jan 2014, 11:09#18

CHICKEN, give it up man, your attempt at being smart or humorous is pathetic......its embarrassing........pack it in man........go back to school or something.......join a knitting class........do something useful.

 

 

I see it did not take you long to bring up Mnisi again.......talk about thick as pigshit

 

 

Keep up the good work bright spark

 

 

 

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cwvdmerweRookie50 posts
31 Jan 2014, 11:55
#19
31 Jan 2014, 11:55#19
Saffex:  "Sun your best of the best when it comes to music sounds like something my late grandmother would listen to"


My fok, jou idioot. Jy weet nie eers wie Yngwie Malmsteen is nie... Jy luister nie daarna nie want JY is te oud, "nevermind" jou ouma.

Jim Morrison, gebore 1943, maak musiek in die 60's

Yngwie, gebore in 1963, maak musiek in die 80's tot nou toe

Praat van naam gat maak!
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Jan 2014, 13:32
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31 Jan 2014, 13:32#20
Smallcock, if I do only rear my head to "have a go at someone" - which is not true at all - then at least I have a go at different people. You on the other hand have become fixated on Dave and you no longer talk about anything else. Dave is your first waking thought and the last thing you think about when you cry yourself to sleep every night.

I know you've probably gone all red in the face and you're about to have another childish and foul-mouthed little tantrum, but think about it for a moment . . . you've assumed Dave's avatar, you created an account using Dave's name, you tried to phone Dave and on this message board you never talk about anyone or anything other than Dave anymore. You are utterly obsessed with Dave and I'm guessing the rubber cock that you keep under your pillow is called "Dave".

So you have a think about that, little chap . . . and if you still want to have a pop at me (and of course my family members) after that, then you go ahead. Okay Smallcock? You're nodding your head? There's a good little chap.
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
31 Jan 2014, 13:44
#21
31 Jan 2014, 13:44#21
" I'm guessing the rubber cock that you keep under your pillow is called "Dave".

LOL! Thats fokking genius. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jan 2014, 14:02
#22
31 Jan 2014, 14:02#22
The great thing about our mate CHICKEN, is that he genuinely does not know how thick he is or how stupid he comes across with his obsession with me........got to love it
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
31 Jan 2014, 19:50
#23
31 Jan 2014, 19:50#23
 Wait, Aluca . . . sorry, Sun Tzwat . . . let me guess . . . your "pantheon" includes Justine Bieber, Miley Cyrus and Nicki Minaj?

My pantheon includes the greatest musicians in human history as well as the greatest guitarists and other instrumentalists. Yours?

Stupid  little snot-nosed punks talking crap about a subject they know nothing about . . . "Jim Morrison? Why would I know him?" . . . LMAO!


You really should hold your insults until you have all the facts at hand! I started playing piano and violin at age 6 and started guitar at age 11. I continued my study of music which includes such topics as melody, harmony, counterpoint, form, orchestration and performance. I listen to genres that span many ages, that amongst contemporary writers. My knowledge of the subject is deep, but of course, you being the resident deity you must know better than me. But I will say this, I don't listen to music because it makes me feel young and I don't name drop bands as though it's some label that help me look scene with the youngsters!

PS: Saffex, I know you enjoy this little bad-boy, rebel facade, but it remains precisely that; a cheap image of a middle-aged man hanging onto his fading youth by the skin of his teeth and more. Your little lists are at best tame and would get laughed at in the presence of the more hard-edged styles - take it to Wacken and see how your bad-boy image holds up. In short, you are what we call a poser.





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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Jan 2014, 21:09
#24
31 Jan 2014, 21:09#24
Waaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!
Your knowledge of the subject of music is "deep" but you've never heard of Jim Morrison?
Listen, chump, that's like some opinionated arsehol e saying something like "I'm a real boxing aficionado and I know pretty much everything there is to know about boxing . . . but say, who is this Muhammad Ali person they keep talking about?"
You're a pretentious joke, Alutwat. That's about as nicely as I can put it.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2014, 01:12
#25
01 Feb 2014, 01:12#25
Sun my taste is music is just that......mine, the shit you listen to is just that......shit

There is a reason the music I listen to is popular and there is a reason yours is not......you work the maths out



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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
01 Feb 2014, 01:15
#26
01 Feb 2014, 01:15#26
Nah, rooinek, I do give Saffex a hard time as it's so easy but I never made that profile on him. I have never made a profile other than "boklogic" and I will take that to the church. Why would I use his pic as my avatar under Boklogic if I had it under another name.
I will change it now that it's coming to rugby season but I love the fact that it pisses him off so much. I don't have the time or desire to create multiple profiles. I have nothing to prove to anyone online so I will be loved or hated under 1 name.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2014, 01:22
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01 Feb 2014, 01:22#27
CHICKEN, how did you work out that you having my photo as your avatar pisses me off?

Is this you just being your usual stupid self.........Its a great photo, I'm a good looking guy and proud........keep my photo for as long as you like.

You really are the board idiot

Damn right you have nothing to prove........for there is nothing, wink wink......how is Dave?
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
01 Feb 2014, 01:28
#28
01 Feb 2014, 01:28#28
Well Saff, u would not go on about it if it didn't piss u off.Good looking photo. Um, not so sure about that. It may be ur best but doesn't make it any better looking. It's good to be proud though. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2014, 01:35
#29
01 Feb 2014, 01:35#29
I have said very little about it other than question your obsession with me......plain and simple.....but given how stupid you are.......I'll spell it out for you......it does not piss me off at all........it serves only to confirm what a prick you look for using my photo.......I insist you keep it there.......it serves a purpose.

Damn right I'm good looking, the birds love me.......there is no doubting that chap in the photo is a handsome bloke!!

Your comments smack of jealousy.......for we have all seen what an ugly mug you are
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2014, 01:48
#30
01 Feb 2014, 01:48#30
Ah yeah Rooi, I forgot to say.......loved your accurate take on Smallcock.......brilliant post
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
01 Feb 2014, 01:54
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01 Feb 2014, 01:54#31
 Omg is that sad soul still going in about you saf? 
Shame boet.. Maybe you should have just signed his rugby ball all those years ago.Ive seen a lot on tv recently about disgruntled fans obsessing over their idols who didnt sign their autographs and their memorabilia.
People get locked up for attacking their idols after incidences like that.

Boklogic go away brother. If you have nothing of use to post then rather go back to your play room and keep cutting out pictures of your idols and sticking them in your autograph book 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2014, 02:00
#32
01 Feb 2014, 02:00#32
Yeah Chippo.......old CHICKEN is in love with me......don't scare him off his perch......he adds value to this board!

Much like a fly to dung
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
01 Feb 2014, 02:44
#33
01 Feb 2014, 02:44#33
Chippo, remind me who you are again??Are you one of "those birds" that love Dave?? 
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
01 Feb 2014, 12:15
#34
01 Feb 2014, 12:15#34
 Boklogic... No im not in love with Saffex.
BUT if you go take a look at the back of your mothers closet, you'll find some nice old pictures of a man that looks remarkably like you (though 4 shades darker) hugging and frolicking with your ol lady.

That person would be me...
And the person I am froliciking with would be the bird that I am in love with...

Now run off into the sunset my son. Be free.

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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
01 Feb 2014, 12:32
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01 Feb 2014, 12:32#35
Listen, chump, that's like some opinionated arsehole saying something like "I'm a real boxing aficionado and I know pretty much everything there is to know about boxing . . . but say, who is this Muhammad Ali person they keep talking about?"
Hasn't it sunk in yet? Once more you jumped the gun to throw an insult but once more on a subject that you are totally ignorant of. But then you are far too conceited to conceive of the notion that perhaps there is an entire world outside of your own empty head, perhaps what you call great is not even a blip on the map to others. Yes, you are extraordinarily conceited. Jim Morrison is not even remotely that of Ali in stature in the music world, to suggest as much exposes your own lack of understanding - just like your assertion that only 1% of South African rugby fans visit Keo.co.za!

You're a pretentious joke, Alutwat. That's about as nicely as I can put it.

Here is the actual truth. I was brought up and educated to be a civilized human being; you were dragged up out of the gutter, kicking and screaming, by the scruff of your collar. Is that clear enough? But I shouldn't be too concerned by you, by all accounts a worn-out has-been or never-was projecting his frustration and anger out on the world. I know your type, the unhappy gloomy type. I have what you never will, and that satisfies me greatly. Goodbye Rooi.



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2014, 12:35
#36
01 Feb 2014, 12:35#36
Wrong Sun, Jim Morrison is easily up there with Ali in music stature..........where the hell have you been? You are clearly out of touch........much like Goosen as a fullback!!!
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
01 Feb 2014, 12:49
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01 Feb 2014, 12:49#37
Do you know Joe Satriani? Yngwie Malmsteen? Uematsu? Weiss? Probably not. There in lies the problem; you like something, therefore you elevate it and place it on a pedestal. Now that's fine, if you like Morrison and the like so much that it leaves such an impression on you, then good for you. But the arts are expansive and your deity may in fact be a small fish in a large ocean to others from an academic or artistic point of view; now that is my point. In short, the music you like does not satisfy my love of melodic music. That's my own personal taste and preference. I'm not arrogant enough to dictate what others like, but Rooi and yourself have fallen into the trap of doing so yourselves. Doing such reflects a complete lack of understanding basic principles of the arts overall. That's all I have to say on this matter. Look at all the mud sling just because I dared to ask a civil question about who was in your avatar.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2014, 13:00
#38
01 Feb 2014, 13:00#38
No I don't know them which is much like the majority of people out there.......there is a reason those names are not known, they are not mainstream or popular.
Don't kid yourself, you are one arrogant individual and you should learn to practice what you preach.
Its you that arrogantly informs us that Morrison is a nobody in the music world, when facts dictate otherwise.......you quote names very few have heard of only because you rate them and you call us arrogant??????
I don't profess to understand the arts, I have no wish to.......I do know my music, ie the music that appeals to me........I don't have over a 1000 CD's because music means so little to me

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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
01 Feb 2014, 13:23
#39
01 Feb 2014, 13:23#39
  The majority of people out there? Do you realize that virtually every person in the guitar community idolizes Satriani? Do you know the relevance of Uematsu - unpromoted - across many cultures? Weiss is a composer who has outlasted dozens and dozens of genres. But you speak on behalf of people you do not know and cultures you do not know. I merely informed that Morrison is not integral to music; that is something apart from popularity, i.e., people who like to hear music, not necessarily listen to it. While we are on the subject of popularity, how like you Nicki Minaj? Surely more popular than The Doors. And there goes your argument for justifying your taste over others! When thinking music, think genres and think cultures. The lesser known bands out there tend to have the most loyal fan base, whereas the most popular are just trend hopers. But apparently all this is integral to the study of music! Without Morrison the pillars of music education are naught! Screw Walter Piston and the like. And as for all those jazz masters that you never heard of either? People who have advanced the study of harmony and melody, how we use scales, modes and chords, instrumentation... who have directly influenced the genres you call popular.. just crusty old nobodies hey? That's where we differ on music. I was influenced by a study of people who have actually had an impact on music itself, being popular doesn't mean anything more than a label promoted something well. It's just marketing. To change develop the components of music is an entirely different prospect. Do you know how the Romantic period composers expanded harmony? Do you understand the relevance of this today? No because you just want something to hear. You call me arrogant, but I have every right to talk with authority on a subject that I am actually educated in. It is in fact arrogant to try to do likewise when all that you know is what you like to hear. Do you see now? And at what point do I belittle others for their tastes? When you listed your favourite music on a thread you posted, I never even posted; you on the other hand would most likely have jumped right in to 'set the record straight' and tell so-and-so why their taste is garbage and what real music is. That's the point to this whole argument; Rooi and yourself over-extended yourselves.
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
01 Feb 2014, 13:51
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01 Feb 2014, 13:51#40
 Who?
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