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Dominating Tackles....separating the myth from the man

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Aug 2019, 14:58
#1
11 Aug 2019, 14:58#1
Minute 1.05 Mostert stops Bargie dead in his tracks....ball is lost backwards but recovered. Minute 1.10 Mostert has gotten up and made the next tackle out wide on the Bargie 13 in space, brings him down cleanly. Minute 1.23 Stephanie shoots out of line opening a huge gap for Sanchez, he runs through the space Stephanie vacated, outside his marker Mostert, who makes a diving tackle attempt but misses....Stephanie gets back to the next breakdown and fails to slow up the ball at his feet.....Bargie try. Minute 7.03 Mostert in joint tackle on Bargie....stopped dead. Minute 7.06 Stephanie a bit late to prevent Sanchez pass. Minute 9.41 Stephanie makes his first tackle and is carried back 2 metres. Minute 10.5 Mostert and Stephanie combine with others to stop 2 phases effectively. Minute 10.28 Stephanie tackles but is knocked backwards, good Bargie ball. Minute 26.06 The Bargies finally have the ball Mostert a joint tackle, no forward movement. Minute 26.12 Stephanie and Pollard joint tackle, Bargie driven back by Pollard who is in the stronger position. Minute 26.28 Tackle by Mostert, driven back a metre. Minute 26.48 Stephanie meets a stationary runner on the side of a ruck and pushes him back a metre. Minute 28.26 Stephanie backs up Kolbe's kickoff tackle, gets pushed back. Minute32.24 Mostert drives the Bargies towards touch in a joint tackle. Minute 33.20 Bargie runner cuts inside Stephanie , who has left too wide a gap Minute 36.06 After kick chase Stephanie meets Bargie high, who shakes him off and goes to ground. ...... And thus ends the first half. No evidence of dominating Steph or Mostert tackles. Two cases where the player was able to take the space Stephanie left on the inside.....one of which led to a try. The second half to be posted later. ....... Minute 40.10 Mostert man handles the Bargie receiver and puts him on the deck. Minute 46.00 Stephanie stops the first runner off the ruck effectively in a goal line stand. Minute 48.42 Mostert and Nyakane tackle, the runner makes a metre in the tackle. Minute 48.53 Stephanie and Etzebeth stop de la Fuente who makes a metre in the tackle. Minute 49.17 Mostert stops Alemanno dead. Minute 59.19 Allende tries to tackle Kremer and Mostert tries to hold him up from the top, but he breaks Allende's tackle and Mostert falls off as he makes 5 metres. Minute 59.30 ...In open field inside our 22 Stephanie badly dummied by del la Fuente, could have been dangerous ....but the cover gets him. Minute 60.19....Kremer round the corner at pace, Mostert stops him dead. Minute 60.33 ....Good line speed by Stephanie, Bargie drops the ball. Minute 62.46 ...Boks high kick Mapimpi and Stephanie tackle the receiver. Minute 62.55 Mostert and Malherbe stop a Bargie dead. Minute 65.39 Stephanie tackles from behind, Bargie breaks free but goes to ground. ...........by the way Stephanie's pass to Kolbe for the try was way forward....back to the... er ...dominating tackles: Minute 68.37 ..Stephanie grabs Bargie as he reverses off the ruck and he and Louw push him backwards for Louw to create another turnover. Minute 73.40...Anonymous Bargie breaks Steph's process tackle Minute 73.48 ..Stephanie makes a good ankle tackle. Minute 74.26 ....Mostert makes another head on dead stop tackle Minute 74.41 ....Mostert brings down Urdapilleta who is attacking the space outside him with an excellent low tackle. Minute 79.40 Bargies break from a broken scrum, Stephanie gets back to make a good tackle. ........... So that's it. My conclusions are the same as last year. There is no difference in the quality of tackles......they both defend well but Mostert is a slightly more secure tackler......especially head on where Stephanie's lack of lateral mobility is a risk. They are both lock/flanks, but oddly the smaller man Mostert is the better tight forward and lineout exponent. Which leaves us with Stephanie on the flank possessing no ground game and with some tackling vulnerabilities. It's hard to believe this isn't going to cost us at some point.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2019, 15:06
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11 Aug 2019, 15:06#2

Mozart

Take some advice from me.  Idiot Speak is easy to overcome - just give an honest assessment of what really happened and you will be freed from it,   This kind of interpretation is where you become an Idiot Speaker.      


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Aug 2019, 15:06
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11 Aug 2019, 15:06#3

Steph deserves a rest after an outstanding season. 

Wonder if Du Toit will get selected as an IRB player of the year contender. Huge engine and very rugged. 

Key player for Boks.

Send the mozcroscope off for much needed repairs. Faulty lense mechanism compromises effectiveness. 

Stick with Beeno and Rassie  on this issue! 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Aug 2019, 15:14
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11 Aug 2019, 15:14#4
Patience chaps....that's only the first half, perhaps your man will do better in the second half.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2019, 15:15
#5
11 Aug 2019, 15:15#5

No Mozart 

Your description is inaccurate and dishonest as well - if you give an honest account the Idiot Spe ak factor will vanish. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Aug 2019, 15:22
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11 Aug 2019, 15:22#6
Every incident is faithfully reported....but feel free to comment on each specific, they are time stamped for your convenience.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2019, 15:31
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11 Aug 2019, 15:31#7

Mozart

I will watch out what happened and do an accurate description of each incident - your descriptions are never a real account of what happened in matches,   So I have very r eal reasons to distrust what you write.       

 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
11 Aug 2019, 16:25
#8
11 Aug 2019, 16:25#8

Steph deserves a rest after a fine season? 1.7m per carry for slow treacle ball is back breaking labour? 

Spent a good amount of time injured too. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Aug 2019, 16:59
#9
11 Aug 2019, 16:59#9
Dominating runner....that would be Vunipola. Stephanie almost never breaks a tackle. That's one of the big issues....you get the immobility of a big man with Stephanie, but none of the power.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2019, 17:00
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11 Aug 2019, 17:00#10

Idio t Speakers and their distortions again.  I pleaded with you to behave youslef - but apparently I am getting nowhere,  

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Aug 2019, 17:07
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11 Aug 2019, 17:07#11

Du Toit is a great mix of power and speed. Perfect no 7. Huhe work rate always amongst tackle count leaders and all over the park. Right there at the end as we see repeatedly. 

Show some respect for the great Du Toit. And of course the great Rassie. 

Good to see the two ous MO and AO getting a glimmer. 

Hahahahahaha. 

I did warn them! 


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
11 Aug 2019, 17:17
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11 Aug 2019, 17:17#12

du Toit has the mobility of a rhino on rails. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2019, 17:20
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11 Aug 2019, 17:20#13

Fuck you miss everything happening on the field of play so you keep using Idiot Speak. We are NOT idiots who believe your twi sted garbage,.  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
11 Aug 2019, 17:21
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11 Aug 2019, 17:21#14

Where was his mobility for the first Puma breakout for a try? 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2019, 18:01
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11 Aug 2019, 18:01#15

Where was his mobility when he was key to the Kolbe try idiot?  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2019, 18:01
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11 Aug 2019, 18:01#16

Where was his mobility when he was key to the Kolbe try idiot?  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
11 Aug 2019, 18:04
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11 Aug 2019, 18:04#17

He didn't have do turn on a dime whilst waiting out wide, in space, for the ball. For the first Puma try, he as dead and buried. Like a snowplow caught in a ditch. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Aug 2019, 18:30
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11 Aug 2019, 18:30#18
Muck and Hasbeen avoiding the honestly reported facts like the plague.....like the real culprit for the first try.......Stephanie shooting out of line.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2019, 19:07
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11 Aug 2019, 19:07#19

No -impossible - you have never once given  an honest performance assessment on this site ever - hence my disbelieve in what you write,   I will have a look at  what really happened and then respond to you and correct your writing to what really happened. .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2019, 19:07
#20
11 Aug 2019, 19:07#20

Dupl icate

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Aug 2019, 19:35
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11 Aug 2019, 19:35#21
Yes Muck, we have heard that line before.....now back it up be telling me which if any of those time stamps is wrong.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Aug 2019, 19:51
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11 Aug 2019, 19:51#22
Muck takes the deep dive.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2019, 20:29
#23
11 Aug 2019, 20:29#23

No Mozart

I have printed your contribution and will comment on everyone of your statements,  I will do so objectively and if you are correct on any incident I will indicate as such.

However, knowing what you wrote in the past having been inaccurate and often downright falsehoods I expect it will be a long response.     

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2019, 20:29
#24
11 Aug 2019, 20:29#24

No Mozart

I have printed your contribution and will comment on everyone of your statements,  I will do so objectively and if you are correct on any incident I will indicate as such.

However, knowing what you wrote in the past having been inaccurate and often downright falsehoods I expect it will be a long response.     

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
11 Aug 2019, 23:50
#25
11 Aug 2019, 23:50#25

Read elsewhere that Mostert had a mighty match on  both defence & attack making 16 tackles. I like him, gives 100%.

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/190810_Emphatic_Boks_claim_Rugby_Championship_crown


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Aug 2019, 15:34
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12 Aug 2019, 15:34#26
Was away yesterday so not had time to give the real version of events. I’m not interested in the runs in space or open field tackles I’m looking at the players operating in traffic. Not once did I see Mostert even come close to imposing himself physically both with ball in hand or in defence. It’s not possible for him to dominate in contact for he is scrawny and a light weight. PSDT on the other hand definitely breached the advantage line carrying in traffic. Why because he is physically better equipped given the 8kg’s he has on Mostert My take to follow soon
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Aug 2019, 15:51
#27
12 Aug 2019, 15:51#27

Dave

I analyzed what Mozart rote in comparison what really happened.  There was not a single statement he made that was in any way related to what actually happened.  See what I wrote about the garbage elsewhere and see why I am correct and Mozart talking BS as per normal.  

I would like to see your comments on that new thread.    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Aug 2019, 16:15
#28
12 Aug 2019, 16:15#28
Poor old Muck begging for support.....by the way Stephanie's pass to Kolbe was way forward. The ball is ahead of Stephanie when it's travelled 3 feet out of his hands.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Aug 2019, 17:22
#29
12 Aug 2019, 17:22#29

No not necessary after showing up your BS as total - I suggest you either apoliogiize fr writing distortions or keep them to yourself.   It makes you look foolish.    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Aug 2019, 18:11
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12 Aug 2019, 18:11#30
Muck every response of your's is a flat out lie...but that's nothing new. I say: Minute 1.05 Mostert stops Bargie dead in his tracks....ball is lost backwards but recovered. You say: Player went forward about a meter and passed the ball back while being tackled – attack continued ......now the truth, the Bargie goes straight down in the tackle and loses the ball. How do we know that? Because the commentator says 'loose ball at the breakdown'. Your very first 'correction' was a lie and they are all lies. Which is not surprising because you are an habitual liar.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
12 Aug 2019, 18:58
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12 Aug 2019, 18:58#31

I could splice the film, but I'd just be wasting my time. I know Moz is speaking truthfully, that Lügnerin lives up to her name. Nothing changes. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Aug 2019, 07:44
#32
13 Aug 2019, 07:44#32

No Mozart

Both you and the atrocious nitwit AO have a solution for whenever  with lied whenever a player you support you lie and blame another player for the deficiency;   What you wrote about games is a string of totally malignant lies and misrepresentations nobody else saw in the game.  In other words  you invent and lie as much as you can imagine to glorify BS and malogn players you dislike  

The truth has no meaning for you two.   There has been along history where ever\on of your favourite players you support you blame others  for the idiocy and BS of players you and AO support,   Caught out for the umpteenth time an not once but in virtually everything you wrote,       


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Aug 2019, 07:44
#33
13 Aug 2019, 07:44#33

No Mozart

Both you and the atrocious nitwit AO have a solution for whenever  - lied whenever a player you support bugger up and blame another player for the deficiency;   What you wrote about games is a string of totally malignant lies and misrepresentations nobody else saw in the game.  In other words  you invent and lie as much as you can imagine to glorify BS and malign players you dislike  

The truth has no meaning for you two.   There has been along history where everyone of your favourite players you support you blame others  for the idiocy and BS of players you and AO support,   Caught out for the umpteenth time an not once but in virtually everything you wrote,       


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
13 Aug 2019, 12:16
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13 Aug 2019, 12:16#34

You have never been able to disprove one word of anything I have ever written. Period. In fact, your efforts to do so have grown more and more ineffective. It's becoming a real bore. 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Aug 2019, 12:22
#35
13 Aug 2019, 12:22#35

The truth has no meaning for you two. 

Still waiting for that time stamp of Esterhuizen 3m from the Kerevi break. Week three, oh bastion of truth.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Aug 2019, 12:25
#36
13 Aug 2019, 12:25#36

No - I have found your w ritings twisted and totally based on misrepresentation and fairy tales - only you could come up with BS the way you did.   So what value were you on site - comical at best and very funny to read what you came up with through the years.  Your bias was self-destructive and nullified anything you have ever written,  LMAO 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
13 Aug 2019, 12:55
#37
13 Aug 2019, 12:55#37

"So what value were you on site"

Imagine that. One minute his lamenting the absence of certain members, calling for unity and respect, the next he is telling someone they have no value and should leave the site. Unbelievable. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Aug 2019, 13:20
#38
13 Aug 2019, 13:20#38

I never told you to leave.  What I would like to see another name change by you and to start making sensible contributions and not the prejudiced BS you come up with at present,  Sensible comments lead to sensible discussions.     

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
13 Aug 2019, 13:45
#39
13 Aug 2019, 13:45#39

"Sensible comments lead to sensible discussions."

Now, finally something I can agree with. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Aug 2019, 15:56
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13 Aug 2019, 15:56#40

Is the test on Saturday between the Springboks available on the internet?   After lying about what really happened at minute 1:23 and being caught out the umpteenth time, he challenged me about what happened at minute 33:20 - but the game has not been shown in full today.     

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