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Don't expect to see Goosen any time soon.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Nov 2013, 01:46
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11 Nov 2013, 01:46#1

“It’s great to have Pat there. You need at least 35 great players and two great 10s and I thought he did well. We’re in a great position at this stage, [having] two great flyhalves, and hopefully Johan Goosen can also push hard for the team in the next year or two.”...HM

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Nov 2013, 01:49
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11 Nov 2013, 01:49#2
Good old Meyer as clueless as ever......by all accounts, we wont be seeing Steph du Toit at 5 in a hurry either........the reason being, he wants Matfield back.....go figure
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Nov 2013, 01:53
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11 Nov 2013, 01:53#3

Haha...I think the Matfield thing is pure speculation and wont happen. But I'd like to see Goosen get a run. In spite of HM papering over it Lambie was a basket case yesterday. He is not going to be the Bok flyhalf. So best we get another look at Goosen. 

 

Trouble is if we do that we wont be able to try JJ at wing. JP will get the nod because he can also cover fullback.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Nov 2013, 01:58
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11 Nov 2013, 01:58#4
We dont want to be wasting JJ on the wing when he is by far our best 13.........nope Matfield will be playing S15 rugby for the Bulls and Steph du Toit will be used as a back-up 4 behind Bakkies no doubt........that is how stupid Meyer is
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Nov 2013, 02:02
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11 Nov 2013, 02:02#5
Meyer just took down the two time NH champions chock full of Lions....show some respect Dave. You guys are always telling us how great NH rugby is. Frankly those Welsh chappies looked a bit "lig in die broek"
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Nov 2013, 02:08
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11 Nov 2013, 02:08#6
Nope no respect for a man with pathetic player management skills......his treatment of JJ and Willie was pathetic.......selecting Fourie straight into the starting 15 was insulting.

And no, I have not told you how great NH rugby is, I have merely pointed out that the standard is nowhere near as crap as you lot make it out to be.  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Nov 2013, 02:12
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11 Nov 2013, 02:12#7

Selecting Fury straight into the starting 15 shows what the coaching staff thought of JJ's "great test"...and that's the truth.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Nov 2013, 02:12
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11 Nov 2013, 02:12#8

 Mozart

 

The fact that they beat the Welsh does not mean there were no weak links in the Springbok team.   There were and you need to look no further than Morne Steyn (clueless kicking leading to counter-attacks and not even attempting tackles), Fourie and Pietersen.

 

Even though we may win most matches - the ultimate losses in key series will remain and we will remain as no 2 ranked nation as Sasue said previously.   With players like the three mentioned we are on the same road as we were in the past three years.

 

I am sure that there are better players around and we will see how Super 14 next year pans out.    

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Nov 2013, 02:17
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11 Nov 2013, 02:17#9
Well if they saw no good in his display at 13 against NZ, they are not fit to be coaching at the level they are.........Meyer is fast losing the plot leaving players like Willie and JJ out of the starting 15.

The Kiwi's on this board have admitted that JJ out played the worlds permier 13 in Conrad Smith on the day......if Meyer failed to see that, it about sums him up
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Nov 2013, 04:25
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11 Nov 2013, 04:25#10
Yep that's why everybody gave Smith a 7 or 8 rating and JJ a 6 or 6.5. They all failed to see it.  
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
11 Nov 2013, 10:29
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11 Nov 2013, 10:29#11
 
Lambie needs an extended run at 10. I hope he starts against the Scots.

He's a little fragile at the moment. Meyer needs to pump him up with self belief cause right now it looks at if Lambie' finding it difficult to fit in.

It's as if he doesn't believe he belongs with the rest of the squad.

I hope we don't lose him.



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The_TruthClub Pro471 posts
11 Nov 2013, 10:56
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11 Nov 2013, 10:56#12
 I actually find it strange, because he's been training a back-up 10 for the whole RC and he also knew he was going to play 10 later in the series. I really don't think there could be any excuse for his play and general execution. He was just very poor on the day.

But then, some crowd favourites do get elevated to hero status after one match and as long as they don't get the nod, the fans keep feeding the myth. He basically played the same as last year on the EOYT where he also never convinced anyone. He is a sort of acceptable back-up, but not good enough to be the starter.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Nov 2013, 12:26
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11 Nov 2013, 12:26#13

 The_Truth

 

The real myth is the robotic Morne Steyn - the most predictable flyhalf in world rugby and the one with least ball sense and reading of the game a well.

 

As long as he is in the Springbok team - as Sasue pointed out clearly - we will always be r anked no 2 or worse in World Rugby.   The sooner he is out - the sooner we will get a  proper backline pivot and not a player with limited capacity in both attack and defence with one only asset - his kicking at goal.

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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
11 Nov 2013, 14:55
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11 Nov 2013, 14:55#14
 Michael, please, stop beating that poor dead horse.

"As long as he is in the Springbok team - as Sasue pointed out clearly - we will always be ranked no 2 or worse in World Rugby."


My oh my! 2nd or worse? Practically on the brink of tragedy. But I fail to see how one change in personnel will alter how we play the game. I don't think you understand how backlines work.
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