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Dropping NH players fom the Springbok squad is always a subsequent eye-opener

Started by clevermike25 REPLIES934 VIEWS· 22 Sept 2018, 15:46
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Sept 2018, 15:46
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22 Sept 2018, 15:46#1

We had a long history of NH players being dropped from the Springbok squad after average to poor performance on test level.   Most of the ended up on the bench after recall and some real failures was not even even selected as bench players.   


Despite the desperate hype efforts by Mozart and co to prove that Louw was a good enough player - he was dropped from the squad and went back to Bath.   It is obvious that Bath made no request to Erasmus to release him from the squad, he was sent packing by Erasmus proving that Mozart and co was again barking up the wrong tree.


I said that the Louw dropping from the squad was not based on a Bath request because he is not even featuring in the Bath 23 playing against Northampton today.   


My sincere sympathy goes out to Mozart, Pakie and AO for being wrong the umpteenth time and for the resultant exposure.  I should have informed Bath they should have consulted with the three world-leading rugby analysts before that happened.   Sorry about being so neglectful!!!!

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
22 Sept 2018, 16:23
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22 Sept 2018, 16:23#2

It would be interesting to see if the following article brings out a rational and mature in Ou Maaikie or will it be the normal biased immature prejudiced BS. I would not be holding my breath though.

Todd Blackadder relaxed about when Francois Louw will make his Bath Rugby return

The Springboks flanker is back at Farleigh House during the Rugby Championship rest week

ByDaniel Evans
  • 16:50, 18 SEP 2018
  • Updated17:07, 18 SEP 2018

Todd Blackadder is keeping an open mind as to when Francois Louw will make his Bath Rugby return.

The South African openside is back at Farleigh House after coming off the bench for the Springboks dramatic 36-34 win over the All Blacks in Wellington on Saturday.

This coming weekend is a rest weekend for the Rugby Championship; meaning Louw could play for the Blue, Black and Whites at home to Northampton Saints.

However, with Sam Underhill, Tom Ellis, Zach Mercer and Taulupe Faletau all fit, his DoR is in no rush to throw him back into a Premiership game.

He admitted Louw's performance suffered when he was brought on as a substitute for the Premiership opener against Bristol Bears, in between playing for the Boks in Argentina and Australia.

Blackadder said: "Today we're just going to take it easy with him and see how he's feeling before we make a decision.

"We're going to see how he rolls and whether the time zones affect him, because we felt the effects in the Bristol game.

"We brought him back and he wasn't quite right. We'll see how that pans out and we'll make a plan for him going forward."

As previously reported, Bath had been hoping Louw would be available for the games away at Saracens and home to Exeter Chiefs, despite them clashing with the final two rounds of the Rugby Championship on September 29 and October 6.

That's still a possibility that could happen, but it now appears to be up to Boks head coach Rassie Erasmus and Louw himself.

"Contractually, he's allowed to play whatever he wants to for South Africa," Blackadder said. "We'll work with him to see what his thoughts are.

"We won't know until next week whether he's going to be included in their (South Africa's) squad. Doing the best thing by him is doing the best thing by our team as well.

"I don't want to be the one who puts him under pressure. If he does go back to South Africa, I've got no problem with that.

"If he stays, he's competing with all the other boys for a jersey."

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
22 Sept 2018, 17:02
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22 Sept 2018, 17:02#3

Wrong about what, exactly?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Sept 2018, 18:18
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22 Sept 2018, 18:18#4

Pakie

You were desperately trying to give Louw a write-up in a game where he was poor and that proved to me that you were writing crap.  There was no way he was an adequate player in that test.

Fact is that Louw was released and the chances he will come back to SA is remote.    Dofdoos can try as much as he likes to soften the blow by quoting a newspaper article - the fact remains that Louw is not a crucial player for Bath as Le Roux is for Wasps.

What a load o f crap do people have to put up on site - especially by our self-proclaimed  world experts in rugby analysis and Dofdoos.      


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
22 Sept 2018, 18:21
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22 Sept 2018, 18:21#5

It has just been announced that Willie Leroux will be available, but it appears Rassie never applied for Louw to be available. Even Louw's club wanted to give him back, but Rassie declined. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
22 Sept 2018, 19:06
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22 Sept 2018, 19:06#6
@Sharkbok. Are you trying to Maaikiefy yourself? Who said that Bath wanted to “give him back”? Unless, of course, I’m misreading this: “As previously reported, Bath had been hoping Louw would be available for the games away at Saracens and home to Exeter Chiefs, despite them clashing with the final two rounds of the Rugby Championship on September 29 and October 6”.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
22 Sept 2018, 19:09
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22 Sept 2018, 19:09#7

My write-up about Louw was perfectly factual. Every instance can be verified to be no more and no less than I described it. You tried to shoot holes in it and the footage proved you wrong.

We all agreed Louw was off the boil in the second Argie test, no one tried to pretend otherwise.

This year's test season was always going to be about whether Louw can still compete at this level - I said as much before the first Argentina test.

With Kolisi an automatic selection and PSDT cementing himself as the blindside, where would the coach fit Louw in, exactly?

So I still don't know what I was "wrong" about.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
22 Sept 2018, 19:27
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22 Sept 2018, 19:27#8
If they rested him (Louws), presumably they recently learnt that he will, in fact, be available for the next 2 pub club fixtures.....
It is clear Louw is surplus to Bok requirements.....He was a decent player, but at this stage, he appears to be past his best. 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
22 Sept 2018, 19:48
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22 Sept 2018, 19:48#9
@Sharkbok. So, they learnt that he will be available but they did not want him but they were hoping that he would be available against Exeter, who played in the previous Premiership final, away, as well as their game against reigning champions Saracens, away as well. Again, bear in mind that his club alledgedly do not want him. I’m flabbergasted.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
22 Sept 2018, 20:54
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22 Sept 2018, 20:54#10

"It has just been announced that Willie Leroux will be available"


Is Willie available now or not...it seems press reporting is amiss...what's the true story...I see they have announced the team without him...puzzling???

One wonders if there is any accuracy in reporters...sports, politics or whatever...are we living in an age of error and deceipt? Who the hell can we believe??? The Red Indian used to say,"paleface, he speak with forked tongue!"


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
22 Sept 2018, 22:39
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22 Sept 2018, 22:39#11
Willie has played for Wasps today. They beat Sale by 31-13.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
23 Sept 2018, 00:10
#12
23 Sept 2018, 00:10#12
If Willie was not going back to SA, perhaps he would have been rested as well...


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
23 Sept 2018, 04:53
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23 Sept 2018, 04:53#13

Lügnerin falls over his own feet yet again! When did I "hype" Louw? When did I cover up any failings? I said he had a less impressive second Puma test than the third, conclusion that he "needs a big game to dispel doubt". Did I not rank his All Black performance as poor? I ranked him 5.0. Where's the hype? You on the otherhand made a boob of yourself over reaching in your attempt to belittle his excellent first Puma test. You have these players you don't like, and attack them endlessly, sometimes personally. You claimed Louw was one of the geriatrics "who cost us the WC", yet he was the second best fetcher by far in the competition. Having a particularly good game against New Zealand. These are the hallmarks of a bigot.

Now you claim I have been undone? Dream on Lügnerin, that will never happen. Certainly not by you! Outboxed again.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2018, 08:28
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23 Sept 2018, 08:28#14

AO

I said it before - the way you assess player performance is totally devoid of fact.    When a player fails in a test in both defense and attack - you give him a write-up that is beyond belief.   Louw was substandard in the  first Puma test and I was amazed with the BS you wrote about that contribution.   It was the case with the media who in general regarded his performance as sub-par as well.  When Louw just repeated his sub-par performances in subsequent games you pretended to criticize him - but then insisted he should be  retained in the squad - what value can be attached to that "criticism"?    

I have criticized many players in the past - but I have never invented BS to justify my criticism and look at the factual situation. I have never made vague and unsubstantiated allegations about performance and above all have never :discovered: deficiencies that nobody else bar the three most prejudiced members on site have identified.   I never made he idiotic claim by Mozart that the three of you are so good as rugby analysts that you discover incidents no other analysts in the world could do.

Your arrogance and prejudice is beyo nd believe.     

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
23 Sept 2018, 08:54
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23 Sept 2018, 08:54#15

I have never failed to provide an accurate description. Never. That's why what I say is consistent with footage. You have had many troubles with footage, which has left you embarrassed too often. 

Never invented BS? 

  1. Morné cost Stade a win against Yar? He wasn't playing. 
  2. New Zealand ran at Morné all day in 2014 and failed every he'd on tackle? They ran at him twice, he made all his own tackles. 
  3. Morné cost the Boks the 2012 Dunedin test, yet the score was 8-8 when he came off.
  4. Goosen  was subbed after the lineout try by New Zealand, it was Morne's fault. Only, Morné was subbed right before the lineout. 
  5. Du Preez cost the Boks in England 2004. Yet he wasnt involved in any England attacking movement leading to a try.
  6. Louw was a failure in the world cup, yet was by far the second highest pilfer in the competition.
  7. Morné was being discarded to a French soccer team. 
These are just some of the things I've read from you. The more common incidents, as you repeatedly tell the same lies. 

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
23 Sept 2018, 08:56
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23 Sept 2018, 08:56#16
“Posted by: sharkbok (7857 posts) Sep 23, 2018, 00:10 If Willie was not going back to SA, perhaps he would have been rested as well...” This is the kicker. Bath played Louw in the game against Bristol. Now check what Todd Blackadder said in the article. He said that Louw was not good in that particular game. A game which took place in between the Boks’ test against the Argies and the one against Aus. It is based on that performance that they have decided to rest him for this game, following the test against NZ. Now we get to Willie. Unlike Louw, he did not play Premiership rugby in between the Arg test and the Aus test. Wasps were playing Worcester that weekend. Bath had previous experience of playing a player the week after he has been flying up and down through tome zones and playing test rugby in between.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
23 Sept 2018, 10:55
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23 Sept 2018, 10:55#17


The oak looks like Sir Graham Henry

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Sept 2018, 16:18
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29 Sept 2018, 16:18#18
I’m busy watching the Sarries/Bath game. Guess who, as was eluded to in earlier posts, is wearing the Bath no 7 jersey?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Sept 2018, 19:08
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29 Sept 2018, 19:08#19

Why not watching the SA test?   Wearing the no 7 jersey is meaningless if it does not go along with performance.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Sept 2018, 19:08
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29 Sept 2018, 19:08#20

Why not watching the SA test?   Wearing the no 7 jersey is meaningless if it does not go along with performance.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Sept 2018, 10:16
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30 Sept 2018, 10:16#21
“Posted by: clevermike (31810 posts) Sep 29, 2018, 19:08 Why not watching the SA test? Wearing the no 7 jersey is meaningless if it does not go along with performance.” Four things..... 1. That was posted before the test started. 2. I watch what I want where I want when I want. 3. I did watch the test in any case. 4. You are trying to run away from your earlier shyte assertions again. By your account Louw has effectively been dumped by Bath and when I posted an article elluding to the fact that Louw was being rested for games like the ones against the two previous Premiership finalists, you rubbished it. Dofdoos can try as much as he likes to soften the blow by quoting a newspaper article - the fact remains that Louw is not a crucial player for Bath as Le Roux is for Wasps. “What a load of crap do people have to put up on site - especially by our self-proclaimed world experts in rugby analysis and Dofdoos. “ Now wipe the egg off your face and get back in your cage.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2018, 11:18
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30 Sept 2018, 11:18#22

Get lost arse-fly.  Why did you not cover Louw's performance in the game yesterday instead of making another fool of yourself?  

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Sept 2018, 11:27
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30 Sept 2018, 11:27#23
“Posted by: clevermike (31815 posts) Sep 30, 2018, 11:18 Get lost arse-fly. Why did you not cover Louw's performance in the game yesterday instead of making another fool of yourself? ” It wasn’t Louw’s performance of yesterday that was in question, it was his continued involvement in the team that was. It is neither of any importance nor any of your business but I was not paying particular attention to the game as it was merely a time filler in waiting for the test to start. In addition I also switched to the test before the end of the game.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2018, 14:00
#24
30 Sept 2018, 14:00#24

Dunce

Why don't you do the rugby thing and try and p rove that Louw was so good yesterday - my description of his performances were wrong.  That is the rugby thing to do from a debating perspective.   The only thing you ever do is to react to postings of mine and nothing else.  

Can you bring nothing else to the site? 

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Sept 2018, 16:03
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30 Sept 2018, 16:03#25
“Why don't you do the rugby thing and try and rove that Louw was so good yesterday ....” Stick to the point Ou Koeipoepol, stick to the point.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2018, 16:08
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30 Sept 2018, 16:08#26

So I was right all along - you admit publicly you are a poephol fly!!!!!!!!!!!!

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