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Dud Toit question

Started by Mozart35 REPLIES1,335 VIEWS· 25 Sept 2022, 17:09
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Sept 2022, 17:09
#1
25 Sept 2022, 17:09#1

Could his supporters please point out one thing of note he did all game…a specific incident. On the debit side we know he was stripped after a pick and go on the Bargie line….misses a lineout….missed a quarter of his tackles.


Point me to one thing….just one thing….he did to help the team.


The emperor has no clothes.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Sept 2022, 17:55
#2
25 Sept 2022, 17:55#2
Took plenty of line out ball and was physical in virtually every one of his carries - something the utterly useless Mostert is never So good to see him there instead of the physically inept Mostert When was PSDT stripped of the ball, like useless Mostert was against Oz?
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
25 Sept 2022, 17:57
#3
25 Sept 2022, 17:57#3

Jager... Ebenezer... Du Toit... even WITH support in carries, they went sideways on contact. Like a fucking straw bending as its pushed into a wall, wehe! XD

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Sept 2022, 21:14
#4
25 Sept 2022, 21:14#4

He was stripped right on the Bargies goal line after his pick and go….his ‘physical’ runs got us nothing, just another dead end. And I think he took one lineout ball and lost one. 


Dave your perceptions are way off.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2022, 21:25
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25 Sept 2022, 21:25#5

There is no question about what you asked. - only why are you so obsessed with D u Toit?  Is it prejudice or what?    Don't you ever get tired of writing repetitive BS  on site? 


MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
25 Sept 2022, 21:42
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25 Sept 2022, 21:42#6

Don't you ever get tired of writing repetitive BS  on site?

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PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Sept 2022, 22:05
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25 Sept 2022, 22:05#7
Note PSDT’s movement in the first Bargie try. He basically creates the gap by getting up and running to the side where there are already enough Bok defenders…leaving he hole that results in the try.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Sept 2022, 00:26
#8
26 Sept 2022, 00:26#8

Here's what Plum is referring to. PSDT comes over from the right, but instead of stopping next to the ruck to plug the huge gap there (Eben, Lood, Kitsy are already covering the other side), he keeps going to the left even though the Argie numbers are clearly on the right. Argie scrumhalf scores easily next to the undefended right side of the ruck that PSDT just ignored .


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Sept 2022, 02:17
#9
26 Sept 2022, 02:17#9

….and it was his lineout flub that got the Bargies into this position in the first place. Why do I continue this line of thought? Basically because apart from the WCfinal where George Ford was a deer in the  Stephanie headlights….Dud Toit has consistently underproduced.

The World Player of the Year award had to go to a Bok and with no obvious candidate, it went to the most popular player….even though Vermeulen was much more worthy.

Lambie, Dud Toit, Kolisi are all ‘populars’ that have had  far better press than they deserved. Likewise Dud Allende. The lack of objectivity demands a response.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Sept 2022, 04:37
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26 Sept 2022, 04:37#10

Strangest goal line defensive strategy that I've ever seen ................. almost like he's running away from making a tackle, so maybe he was suffering from a stray boot to the head which caused a bit of dizziness or double vision . Ek wiet nie wat nie .

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2022, 04:44
#11
26 Sept 2022, 04:44#11

Mozart are you still besotted with Du Toit - you have been at it for 9 years and has never been right and lied about incidents involving Du Toit for years.    When Mostert missed open field tackles you blame Du Toit for the misses because he was 3  meters away.   Your reasoning are shit because of your misrepresentation as to what happened in games.

I asked you a question and obviously there was no answer to that one.   finally have you got nothing better to do to write repetitive BS on site?                            

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Sept 2022, 05:43
#12
26 Sept 2022, 05:43#12

I know you are confused Tokkie…but as this forum’s premier liar, you really should avoid attaching that tag to others.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2022, 05:50
#13
26 Sept 2022, 05:50#13

I am not confused - I do not create try scoring opportunities when there was none like you do.  i do not give falsified descriptions as to what happened in matches - leave that to you.   So who is the regular liar on site?  Definitely you because you specialize in inventing lies.       

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Sept 2022, 05:55
#14
26 Sept 2022, 05:55#14

Hell you had Adi Jacobs losing a test when he wasn’t even playing….premier liar and doddering old fool. Pompous, vain and misinformed. A bit of a joke. But mostly just boring.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2022, 06:21
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26 Sept 2022, 06:21#15

I admit when I got a case wrong and apologize - you always lie and never admit to any occasional and rare mistakes.    f act is that if you ever speak the truth on site - it will be extremely rare.   One error you could find in 14 years - LMAO.          

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2022, 06:21
#16
26 Sept 2022, 06:21#16

I admit when I got a case wrong and apologize - you always lie and never admit to any occasional and rare mistakes.    f act is that if you ever speak the truth on site - it will be extremely rare.   One error you could find in 14 years - LMAO.          

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2022, 06:21
#17
26 Sept 2022, 06:21#17

I admit when I got a case wrong and apologize - you always lie and never admit to any occasional and rare mistakes.    f act is that if you ever speak the truth on site - it will be extremely rare.   One error you could find in 14 years - LMAO.          

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Sept 2022, 06:33
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26 Sept 2022, 06:33#18
And Mike…you yet again gave DDA one of the highest ratings on the day. Should you really be mentioning “BS on the site”?
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Sept 2022, 07:17
#19
26 Sept 2022, 07:17#19

I do not create try scoring opportunities when there was none like you do.

You're a bit like DA then, Mike?

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Sept 2022, 08:57
#20
26 Sept 2022, 08:57#20

….and it was his lineout flub that got the Bargies into this position in the first place. Why do I continue this line of thought? Basically because apart from the WCfinal where George Ford was a deer in the  Stephanie headlights….Dud Toit has consistently underproduced.

PSDT played the same role on Ford that Esterhuizen played with the same success on Foley against Aus a few years ago. Esterhuizen didn't catch any shine for it though.

Anyway Moz, you, me, maybe a few others have been pointing out Steph's lapses, defensive errors, clumsiness on the ground etc. for years now. These things are nothing new. He's not rusty, these weaknesses have been part of his game from the start.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 Sept 2022, 08:57
#21
26 Sept 2022, 08:57#21
It's all to do with pride.
Stupid Dave and Comrade Mike suffer from the same condition.
Admitting they've got it wrong ... again ... and again ... and again ... can he rather embarrassing ... especially when they try so hard to come across as knowledgeable posters.
I mean how would you feel if your so called expertise is called into question at ever turn?
You're supposed to be the boards whizz kid ... and when the others suddenly find out that you dont even know the basics ... well, that can he a problem ... right Stupid?
Best plan of action is simply to deny the facts ... even when they stare you in the face.
That and finding a suitable excuse.



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2022, 09:34
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26 Sept 2022, 09:34#22
I’ll keep it really simple Moz as you say his physical carries amount to a dead end Well yes they do, he is a fucking blindside flanker not a wing - what do you expect from him, him running brilliant lines, stepping the odd defender etc I said I’d keep it simple - his role in the Bok side and in particular the Bok side as they pride themselves on the physical stuff is to carry the ball in traffic, which is exactly what he does and he does it very well, he does it in exactly the same way as Eben and Lood do and he does it no better or no worse than both of them. Each carry gains forward momentum sometimes a metre sometimes more, but it’s forward momentum setting up the next phase - it’s what the Boks do a lot Now why PSDT is good at it, is because he mostly does breach the advantage line with each carry, there is forward momentum gained whereas with Mostert we don’t get that and therein lies the difference and why useless Mostert forever finds himself as a stop gap player at lock or 7. The ONLY reason Mostert never starts when all our players are fit is because of that lack of physicality We all know he gets around the park a lot, we know he takes his line out ball and makes those nice process tackles but it’s that lack of physicality in his carries, clean outs, scrums and tackles that see him benched So in a nutshell PSDT provides physicality and Mostert does not - it’s that simple You get forward momentum in traffic with PSDT but with Mostert you don’t Hope this helps but of course it won’t as you just can’t see how feeble Mostert is when it comes to being physical PSDT is bigger, heavier and stronger than Mostert - it’s that basic
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 Sept 2022, 09:40
#23
26 Sept 2022, 09:40#23

"Hell you had Adi Jacobs losing a test when he wasn’t even playing"

Eish.......

Eina......

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Sept 2022, 10:27
#24
26 Sept 2022, 10:27#24

Be refreshing if ouDawie or ouMaaik could explain why du Toit went awol when he did. Tx.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2022, 11:34
#25
26 Sept 2022, 11:34#25
When did he go awol bright spark?
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Sept 2022, 13:42
#26
26 Sept 2022, 13:42#26

Swys also pointing out Du Toit opening the space for the try in this clip. Also interesting how he highlights the good covering defense work of Mapimpi and Hendrikse in tandem.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2022, 13:53
#27
26 Sept 2022, 13:53#27

How many tries did Moster scored in the 46 he played in for the Springboks?    Simple amswer 3 - inclusive of the one on Saturday when he faced no defenders in front of him.     Du Toit scored 5 tries in 61 matches with no gift tries like Mostert got on Saturday.     There is zero comparisons between Du Toit and Mostert as loose forwards or locks - the plain comment is Mostert is an average to poor player and Du Toit is 10 times the player Mostert would ever be.       

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2022, 13:54
#28
26 Sept 2022, 13:54#28
Yes he should have stayed left - had he stayed left would no try have been scored - NO Fuck sake look where the try was scored
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
26 Sept 2022, 15:14
#29
26 Sept 2022, 15:14#29

it is not the first time that Du Toit runs around like a headless chicken. Him and Kolisi were singled out for running the wrong direction by Swys on a previous clip. They guy doesn't think, just follows the patter. Wonder if it is the rigid game plan or just the player not using common sense. 

Absolute no pilar defence. 

But then, was was also caught out of position, again. Mpimpi defending in the middle leaving the left wing exposed

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2022, 15:40
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26 Sept 2022, 15:40#30
Wake the fuck up as Swys says we have the best defence around but none of these players are perfect, they make mistakes You bunch of fucking ignorant idiots keep bashing players recognised the world over as amongst the best in their respective positions Fuck it’s both pathetic and boring
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 Sept 2022, 15:55
#31
26 Sept 2022, 15:55#31

See what I mean by excuses ... ?

There's thousands of those going around for this mediocre team.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Sept 2022, 15:58
#32
26 Sept 2022, 15:58#32

That’s what the Board is about Dave opinions…if you want to be a cheer leader get yourself a mini and a bra and wave a Bok flag.

I repeat Dud Toit is a poor ball carrier….so is Mostert, they don’t break tackles. I’d play Wiese at 7, he’s a hard yards ball carrier.


The trouble with Dud is he never breaks tackles or makes yards…but he also doesn’t offload. So the only thing that can happen when he gets the ball other than nothing, is he loses the ball.  Which he doesn’t do often but did right on the Bargiegoal line.

Dud is a lock whose flanker shortcomings are offset by the other forwards. He needs to challenge Lomp for the5 slot,

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2022, 16:08
#33
26 Sept 2022, 16:08#33
Well Moz nor does Eben break tackles so is he also shit? You generally don’t break tackles in traffic 95% of the time, because hey ho the guys doing the defending are just as physical at the ones doing the charging
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
26 Sept 2022, 16:52
#34
26 Sept 2022, 16:52#34

The simple truth is that du Toit was player of the year in 2019 that was three years ago but he has not produced the same standard of play this year thus far.

He is not the only 2019 WC Springbok player still being selected to represent the Springboks who has not performed.

As is the case with Steyn, Vermeulen, le Roux and a few others.

We can voice our opinions till the cows come home and it will not change a thing regarding who is selected whilst we have incompetent people running the show.

Change is required in the "Oval Office" of the SARU.

Then and only then will we get players who have earned their selection irrespective of any enforced political or other issues.

Surely there must be a few typical "Spies" players lurking in South African rugby or have they all departed to greener pastures.

FIX IT.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Sept 2022, 17:13
#35
26 Sept 2022, 17:13#35
Agreed PSDT is not back to his best but he has been more than solid Frans Steyn and Vermeulen need to bloody retire
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
26 Sept 2022, 17:29
#36
26 Sept 2022, 17:29#36

DU tout is the same as every year. Just admit you called it wrong AJH. He hasn't dipped, he was always shit. Fuck me it was talked about over here since 2016 the mistakes he always makes. You just wanted to be part of the club... but the fan club has been exposed as a wierd cult and you want to dissociate XD

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