19 Jun 2014, 09:19#2
Still would have gone with May in place of Ashton.
Also prefer Burrell to Eastmond
Go England!!!!!!!!
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Jun 2014, 09:37#3
They are not taking any big gambles in their selections & must be banking on producing a bigger performance. Cipriani would be a gamble, he is more of a hit or miss player.
19 Jun 2014, 10:03#4
Cant see England coming close in this game, NZ should win easy by 15 points.
19 Jun 2014, 10:16#5
Well let's hope not.
They pushed you to within a point last weekend. Maybe they can take it one step further.
That would be awesome.
Burns is a class act. One to watch. Should never have broken his momentum last week by replacing him with Farrell.
19 Jun 2014, 10:59#6
I woulden't say they pushed NZ within one point, it may appear that way. But NZ would be very disappointed in their lack of clinical proficiency. England were outplayed severely in the second half, that TMO got the call badly wrong, so the score really flattered England. NZ can only improve, but if England get their tactics right, they'll go close.
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Jun 2014, 11:03#7
I see the game as ABs finally played to their own level for 20 minutes out of 80 & now they now have opened their own door to excellence it is a matter of expanding it to 80.
All sounds easy but some teams find a way to keep the ball from ABs (forwards) & then the ABs are left with the counter attack or the broken play as a way to win. These days they are also executing the rolling maul so i am glad to say the repertoire is expanding.
19 Jun 2014, 11:44#8
So your clearly under the impression that your pack of forwards is the best in the world, huh?
That includes the pensioner McCaw, right? As well as an out of sorts Messam, huh?
How about the concussed Read making his comeback ... str aight into the run on team!! Do you think he'll be giving it his all ... no sign of hesitancy ... just going for broke?
Come now ... The Poms have more than enough to take you up front and with that backline of theirs, they could force a very dark cloud over New Zealand and bring about a lengthy spell of mourning me thinks.
Hope so anyway.
Go Vunipola!! Go Tuilagi!!!!
Gooooooooo Pommies!!!!!
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Jun 2014, 11:48#9
Ha ha CleanCut. Our disagreement is why they play the games.... it is the only way to get it sorted. We will see how it goes.
19 Jun 2014, 11:55#10
The game showed NZ only needed to be at their best for 20 mins to be too good for England, so yeah NZ win haha.
19 Jun 2014, 12:01#11
The dubious yellow card and lack of penalties against the offside NZ team yet again gave you the momentum swing after we failed to make the most of our myriad chances.
You do realise there has long been a saying that we all understand the off side rule until anyone plays NZ , don't you ?
As per usual, you take your chances when offered but create little of your own.
We will lose again, but we should have had at least one win.Don't kid yourselves into thinking you are feared by anyone these days.
19 Jun 2014, 13:25#12
Im sorry you need to rewatch the game, England were heavily ref assisted. NZ were 20 points better in the second half, blew them of the field. Funny you say that because England were offside the entire game, and ref let them get away with murder. Or are you conveniently forgetting that, to reinforce your agenda haha of course you are. Are we allowed to mention that bent TMO? Clearly anyone with eyes could see the ref was trying his hardest to get England the win, NZ were clean as usual, just no one can see that. So NZ interchange of offloads, and threading England to pieces, whos fitness was clearly shown up was the reason NZ put England away in the second half? Oh it was because it was offered right, England scored one try on their own, and were gifted two trys by the ref, take it as you will.
SUSunnyjones123
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19 Jun 2014, 13:27#13
"I woulden't say they pushed NZ within one point, it may appear that way. But NZ would be very disappointed in their lack of clinical proficiency. England were outplayed severely in the second half, that TMO got the call badly wrong, so the score really flattered England. NZ can only improve, but if England get their tactics right, they'll go close"
Apart from a 15 min spell in the 3rd quarter after Twelvetrees gave the ball away needlessly and the ref allowing NZ to play forward passes and sin binning Owen Farrell for entering a maul I thought we played well for most of the match we just didnt take our chances. Had Tuilagi scored that try we would have won the game small margins difference (Scoreline) between winning and losing
This week's team is much better I said last week Lancaster got the selection wrong. Eastmond at 12 with Tuilagi at 13 way to go, Ashton on the wing and Youngs/Burns at half backs.
It seems Danny Care and Farrell were carrying injuries. Joe Launchbury on bench he's looked jaded long hard season played alot of games. Mike Brown hasn't looked 100% been carrying a knock would have liked to have seen Ben Foden
CLclevermike
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19 Jun 2014, 15:10#14
Tuilagi is not speedy enough to eb a wing - he is a center and that alone is an improvement in the English team.
19 Jun 2014, 15:11#15
Lara ... Pensioner McCaw will probably come in from the side again cause he doesn't have the energy to go around through the gate ... and we will probably see him playing the ball on the ground again cause he doesn't have the energy to stay on his feet.
I'm expecting him to take a few short breathers during the match. The poor dears been looking rather haggard lately.
I like Read so I'm hoping Vunipola doesn't hurt him too badly. I'll hold thumbs for the lad.
SUSunnyjones123
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19 Jun 2014, 15:46#16
I can't believe this nonsense about England not keeping up with NZ's intensity it's rubbish if England were so tired how comes we scored 2 tries in the last 10mins?
England's fitness should be applauded long hard season for most of our players guys last game before going on holiday, like Mike Brown clearly not fit we have come close to beating NZ without picking our best team, making lots of changes and playing vs the best team in the world.
Don't forget our 1st choice props Corbisiero, Dan Cole left at home, Tom Croft only returned in the last month of the season, Christian Wade our best winger will be back, George Ford our best 10 will be back. We have taken two scratched up teams and come close to beating NZ
19 Jun 2014, 16:49#19
That's right, Saffex.....the " insult of a team " that should be banned from world Rugby were going to lose all Three Tests by about 50 points, weren't they ? Must have missed that brief, mustn't they ? Ah well, you live and learn !
20 Jun 2014, 11:49#20
Parling is out, Launchbury replaces him with Attwood on the Bench.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Jun 2014, 12:26#22
Well said there becs. We have had ou snaster predicting Bok losses and disasters ad nauseum - ita the prosac!. He does make an occassional accurate observation and does know his junior rugby for sure so we will forgive ou snapspter. Hahahahahaha
The facts are simply. The tests have hinged on yellow cards where England have been yellow carded incorrectly and Nz have got away with not being yellowed. England should clearly have won both tests given accurate reffing.In the second test the Abs had a good twenty minutes aided by a yellow against engalnd. Once back to 15 men the whole game changed and the English were running away with it in the last quarter. By the end the wee abs were out for the count.
This comment by Sonnyjones is telling : Don't forget our 1st choice props Corbisiero, Dan Cole left at home, Tom Croft only returned in the last month of the season, Christian Wade our best winger will be back, George Ford our best 10 will be back. We have taken two scratched up teams and come close to beating NZ.
NZ however are at full strength thanks to their central contracting sysymen - please note SARFU ya halfwits!! Compare their state of affairs RE INJURIES with ours and then RECTIFY MATTERS!!!!
The first team English front row would demolish the wee abs. Given a full strength England team and a decent ref outcome plus England playing at home do the ageing abs really think they can beat England? Of course 3 IQ will chest beat and talk about hallucinary 20 point wins etc. His grip on reality is slender indeed!
However I am not sure an England win is the right strategy. If England were to win this last test Hansen would renew his team. He knows all to well he is not facing Englands top team. Best leave him and the kkbs thinking the abs are great and all is well? And of course I dont want my dear Kiwi firiends like Cloudy, JW, Hacked Waaagh and Brycy etc to be uspset. Nobody likes being beaten by a second string side. So if England win let it be by a few points so they can blame it on a missed goal kick or something - let them down gently
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Jun 2014, 12:51#23
Being beaten by a second string team? You will have to tell us how that feels, lol
20 Jun 2014, 13:23#24
George Ford isn't our best 10, Beeno.
But we are up against it and have equipped ourselves incredibly well. As I said, I have been greatly encouraged by what I have seen and we are developing the Squad to take us through to 2015. That is the idea of this Tour. So object achieved in that sense.
We shall see how things pan out in the future, but it is encouraging.