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England expect trench warfare – could be the game of the weekend

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Oct 2013, 10:34
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29 Oct 2013, 10:34#1

Stuart Lancaster expects the contact area to go a long way towards deciding an extremely tough Test against Australia this Saturday and says England will be braced for the Wallabies’ fast-paced attacking patterns.

Lancaster has been a keen observer of the Antipodeans’ progress over the course of this year, watching them lose 1-2 to Warren Gatland’s British and Irish Lions before a resurgent end to the Rugby Championship under Ewen McKenzie.

Citing the influence of McKenzie and attack coach Jim McKay - a partnership that guided the Queensland Reds to the 2011 Super Rugby title - the England head coach insisted this weekend’s opponents were a settled side that had regathered some precious momentum.

“The DNA of Australia is about being winners in any professional sport - not just rugby, but anything they play internationally,” he said. “They’re a force to be reckoned with and for that, they deserve everyone’s respect.

“If [Kurtley Beale’s] kick went over in the last play of the first [Lions] Test, it becomes a different environment, but since then, the coaching team has changed and the players are clearly playing for them.

“I know Jim McKay well and the qualities he will bring as an attack coach. They’re growing as a force and I think their two recent games [against Argentina and New Zealand] just show how much of a threat they have become.

“They’ve got some very good athletes - on their day, their backline is as good as anyone’s. Their pack includes some very competitive back five forwards and their front row has shown on occasions that they can cause problems for the opposition.

“We know from this time last year that they are a smart side and we need to be at their best to beat them. We didn’t get that right last year - we need to this year.”

Clearly the 14-20 defeat at Twickenham 12 months ago still stings for Lancaster, but he also knows one man who was not among the Australia ranks that day could be rather influential.

Recalled under long-term club mentor McKenzie, flyhalf Quade Cooper has shown sparks of his mercurial best over the past few months and - in partnership with scrumhalf Will Genia - has enough talent to pose a significant threat to England’s defence.

“As an attacking player, he’s outstanding,” he explained. “That is his range of passing, his balance, his footwork, his ability to put people through gaps. His goal-kicking was outstanding at the weekend, too.

“On his day he can be world-class and seems to be in that kind of form at the moment. His partnership with Will Genia is critical for them.

“From a defence point of view, [we need to be wary of them] if they get good line-out ball and scrum ball, they will cause us problems - no doubt about it.

“But our objective is to get our game right. We place emphasis on the opponents but we’re putting our gameplan together and we’ll focus on that - our scrums, our line-outs, our restarts, our attacking intent, our defensive mindset and our game management. That’s what we’ll be focussing on and talking about.”

A traditionally maligned area for Australia in Test rugby has been the scrum - certainly Dan Cole’s dominance was a key factor in a famous win for England in Sydney three years ago.

However, Lancaster downplayed the set-piece, saying that while it is always a central facet of any Test match, England’s physicality at the tackle area will be vital.

“I think [the scrum] is overplayed to be honest. People underestimate the quality of the Australian scrum.

“The contact area is probably more critical to see who gets good quick ball. Whoever gets that will dominate the gainline, dominate possession and dominate the scoreboard.

“The scrum and line-out are important too but that’s what makes rugby special - it’s the component pieces that you’ve got to put together to get a winning performance.”

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Oct 2013, 10:40
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29 Oct 2013, 10:40#2
We will start to see what the Poms are made of in this game. Admittedly the Wobblies are still wobbling but they should at least give the Poms a run for their money - assuming they win some ball.
Will the Pommy pack just roll over the Wobblies? Could be a Bok type game plan where they try and dominate in the forwards and then open up using the backs once they have control. Yep, this should be a good game.
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
29 Oct 2013, 13:57
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29 Oct 2013, 13:57#3
 I think we'll just have to wait and see

We have a few injuries to contend with, so not sure who will be playing as of yet, Corbisiero is out for certain, which is a big shame, and we will have a new Centre pairing , which could be exciting or a disaster . I have a feeling both Vunipola's will be starting though.

Let's see who he selects and then have a think about it.


And Australia never lie down and die. We all know that. Especially when they come to play England.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
29 Oct 2013, 18:04
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29 Oct 2013, 18:04#4
 Is Tuilagi out too Becs ? How do you chaps/chappettes  see the game going ?
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
31 Oct 2013, 07:32
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31 Oct 2013, 07:32#5

 Should be good game - in a way I think Timani strengthens this forward pack with size and power - but lineout loses a bit.

 

Wallabies still pretty unpredictable but I agree their last couple of games Ewen has seemingly got the team to gel and can only get better from here on in.

 

Even a staunch kiwi who was at the Dunedin game made the comment by this time next year the wallabies could be very dangerous -

 

QC is only going to get better and think he had a breakthrough performance in Dunedin - I like Toomua in the centres over Lilo but kicking QC is not as reliable... be interesting which way Link goes with this.

 

The biggest advantage the Aussie / SH teams have is that they are coming off their international season where poms / welsh playing kinda their first....

 

Backing some good close hard rugby over the weekend.....

 

Go the wallabies...!!!!!

 

 

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
31 Oct 2013, 07:59
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31 Oct 2013, 07:59#6

Don't think so Red...Eng by 15. If you look at my avatar...it is really the Australian army and rocket lauchers don't work well in trench warfare....haha...maybe you guys should borrow Cloudy's guns....hoho.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Oct 2013, 08:56
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31 Oct 2013, 08:56#7

Beeno

 

First of all - you apparently based  your ideas on the Lions tour - where the majority of the pack was made up of Welsh and Irish players.   The English were all over the AB pack at Twickenham last year - but that is not really a yardstick since NH playi ng conditions does not really suit the AB team as a whole.   I think in essence the Wallabies will get enough ball and they have better backline options than the English have.  

 

I tend to go with Cloudy here - the  Wallabies last  year beat the English with a weakened team and the English was no good against the Welsh in the 6 Nations.  There main claim to glory was in the June Argentina series - where they played a team largely made up of second and third string players.   They may be over-rated.

 

    

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
31 Oct 2013, 09:26
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31 Oct 2013, 09:26#8

Well I differ...one has just to go back a year ago at the "Greenfields of France" (ode/song by Dropkick Murphy commemorating the tragedy of real trench warfare) when Les Bleus did their job with a 33-6 hammering.

 

I'm just being honest...having a mixture of Irish,French,Scots and German blood in my ancestry does not lend a hand in any form of favouritism in this assessment....that's for sure...haha.

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