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England head to NZ to lay down 'huge marker'; by MARC HINTON

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 May 2014, 10:40
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21 May 2014, 10:40#1

England rugby coach Stuart Lancaster says his players are coming on their historic, and controversial, three-test tour of New Zealand to lay down a "huge marker" for next year's World Cup.

Far from being disillusioned or distraught over the scheduling cock-up that will see England without a heavy contingent of Northampton and Saracens players for the opening test at Eden Park on June 7, Lancaster remains adamant he will have a competitive squad for the opening international.

And he makes no bones about the importance of England backing up on two huge performances against the All Blacks in their last two meetings - a monumental upset at Twickenham in November of 2012, and a 30-22 defeat at the same venue 12 months later that saw them lead 22-20 going into the final quarter.

"This will be a huge marker for us leading into the World Cup," Lancaster told a conference call with New Zealand media last night. 

"The clock is ticking. We don't have many players who will be there in 2015 who would have played at previous World Cup, we've got an average age of 24, we're a young side, and when you haven't got previous World Cups to draw back on you've got to use information from every game you play to make your calls."

Lancaster is also adamant that those calls won't be compromised by the scheduling snafu which will see a touring group eventually numbering around 42 arrive in two waves - with those playing in the English Premiership final next weekend not available until the second week.

Asked about what he could take from the opening test given he'll be shorn so many frontliners, he replied: "We'll read a lot into it. While it's not ideal not to have the likes of Owen Farrell or Billy Vunipola or Courtney Lawes, there will be a lot of guys who have had a lot of experience with us over the last two years.

"We'll be reading a lot into it because we want to be competitive in that first test. We know it's going to be challenging for both teams with limited preparation time, but we've had a really good Six Nations and we feel we'll be ready."

The England coach, who will be sweating on the fitness of New Zealand-born hooker Dylan Hartley and ace fullback Mike Brown prior to naming his touring squad next week, acknowledged his country's record in New Zealand was poor but said he would not be targeting a specific number of victories.

"It's a very difficult place to come and win. We've won two tests ever, in 1972 and 2003, and to win the series we're going to have to match that. It's going to be tough.

"But overall we've got a good group of young players coming through who have got confidence and belief, and we'll go in fuelling that belief and make sure we're ready for that first test."

In words that will resonate in this country, Lancaster also pledged to win back the respect of the New Zealand public after recent English visits had degenerated into somewhat of a rabble.

He said the first step in rebuilding the reputation had been to make England rugby fans at home proud of the team again. 

"We feel we've made good progress in that regard. Clearly there's now work to do when travelling overseas and I'll be impressing on the players massively the importance of coming across as good ambassadors and earning the respect of the New Zealand public both on and off the field."

Some critics in England have labelled this tour a "farce" because of the overlap. But as Lancaster awaits one more weekend of end-of-season club rugby to ascertain the fitness of his players, it's clear he does not share that view.

"We're still developing an understanding of who can and can't deliver at the highest level, and having a broader tour party means we'll come to the toughest place in the world to play rugby under the pressure of playing a champion team with huge experience. We'll find out one way or other who can and can't [cut it], and that will be invaluable for me."

There's a good chance former bad bay, and ex-Melbourne Rebel, Danny Cipriani could be among the touring troupe. If so he'll be travelling under Lancaster's rules. 

"I wouldn't make the decision to bring him back in if I didn't feel he could be trusted. I'm always prepared to give someone a second chance, the ball's back in Danny's court to prove he's prepared to work hard for the team and put England rugby first."

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 May 2014, 10:43
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21 May 2014, 10:43#2
 Unfortunate choice of words, every time I read the word "lay" I think of egg. This team is not the best that England could field but I hope they put out a good effort & that the ABs get a chance to gel as a team (first game of the season).
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
21 May 2014, 15:38
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21 May 2014, 15:38#3
 We don't even know what our best team is yet, given we've never had everyone fighting fit that Lancaster wants at the same time and this is nothing like the team we would normally field. But, strength in adversity and all that  

He's a good man and we all appreciate him for putting English Rugby back on track. 
OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
21 May 2014, 21:01
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21 May 2014, 21:01#4
Some very intriguing match-ups in the June tours - across the board.
Teams looked good in the 6N, but they always seem to look better when playing against each other.
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
21 May 2014, 22:58
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21 May 2014, 22:58#5
"Unfortunate choice of words, every time I read the word "lay" I think of egg."


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
22 May 2014, 00:25
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22 May 2014, 00:25#6
"Some critics in England have labelled this tour a "farce" because of the overlap".....

Some critics outside of England have labelled this tour a "total" farce. New Zealand is not a place to bring a development team. Either put the best possible team on the pitch or dont bother even showing up.
They can talk about laying markers or eggs, never the less this team is going to get thumped. 

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
23 May 2014, 00:53
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23 May 2014, 00:53#7
 Well, it looks like Cipriani will be starting the First Test now ( I said it was a choice between him and George Ford ).................Ford will be having surgery on his shoulder after tomorrow's match against my lot, so he's out of the Tour too ! 

Freddie Burns will have to be back up, I doubt Twelvetrees will be fit enough to cover, if he is indeed fit enough to Tour. 



MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
23 May 2014, 06:48
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23 May 2014, 06:48#8
a few of the highlights ive seen on cipiriani and the comments from commentators is that cipiriani has been a house on fire.

during his times at the rebels, we saw plenty of flair from the dude, a real excitement machine and it was a bummer to see him go back north.

IMO hes got more x factor then farrel, but farrels game for england especially under lancaster has been world class, and the smart money says u would always go with farrel if u had a choice between the two.

just read that mike brown will be available to go on tour as well, and thats awesome news.
hes one of the best and most dangerous fullbacks in the world, and it will be great to see him get tested against the All Blacks as well as seeing the All Blacks test themselves against him.

would be awesome if in all three tests ben smith, israel dagg and charles piutau all started at 15 in one of the three tests and have them test themselves  against brown.
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
23 May 2014, 10:15
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23 May 2014, 10:15#9
 Cipriani has been playing well for Sale, yes, but Farrell is my pick and I think he is playing exceptionally well. He also tackles like a demon, something Cipriani has never done ! The latter has also been the architect of his own demise, truly. You can't behave, off-field, the way he has over the years and expect to play at the highest level. Certainly not for Mr Lancaster.

I will say that the ankle injury Cipriani sustained all those years ago was the catalyst for a downturn in his fortunes and I think he was never given enough time to recover from it. An injury like that could be career threatening and disabling. Players are just expected to get over them in five minutes and it is not possible to do so. For that, I think he suffered unfairly.
I'm hoping he can give a good account of himself

Mike Brown is exceptional at the moment, but we have had a long hard Season and he did pull up badly on Saturday. I hope he is given time to recover and that he has a good Tour. He's a really good player and a battler ! You are better with him in your corner than against you, that's for sure.
It will be interesting....but I am sorry that they have forced such a difficult Tour on the team with such poor planning.

We'll just have to see how things go....but it could get messy for us in the First Test !!!
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
23 May 2014, 10:32
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23 May 2014, 10:32#10
@becs,

i wouldnt worry so much about the first test, last year france were in the exact same position as england are in now, it wasnt until the last two tests where frnace had the bulk of thier first pick players readily available, but despite this, it was the frnechs 2nd string team who had a better game losing 23-13, while the last two tests which pretty much boasted frances best players available lost 30-0 and 24-9.

All Blacks have always struggled in  the first test (depending on quality of team/nation), as it takes a while to blow out the international cobwebs.
coupled with englands best players being unavailable and both publie and media expectations at an all time low, and u have all the recipes for a classic but rare ambush.

lancaster should really target the first test for a win, as IMO that is englands best chance, hte 2nd and thrid tests is where the All Blacks play with no cobwebs and an eagerness to secure their position within the All Blacks.
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
23 May 2014, 14:56
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23 May 2014, 14:56#11
 Oh I know, I watched the French Tests last year....I'm not parochial in my Rugby watching I watch as much as I can and always have done.....brought up on the game ( I watched in the womb )

The difference is, France don't have a 1st/2nd string.....!!


We actually face the possibility of having Hartley absent from all Tests ( certainly from the first ) and, as I have said, Tom Youngs is staying at home with his wife, who is ill, so we have issues there. Corbisiero and Cole are no shows, so we have an entire Front Row of a very high standard missing. The Vunipola's will be absent, so that is a Prop and our first choice 8. Add to that no Fly Half for the First Test and you see that we have an issue here.

If Quins and Sarries had played each other in the Prem Final, the ramifications would have been catastrophic !
Also, think about the prospect of injuries and the fact that Sarries, in particular, will be playing 2 incredibly high intensity Finals in 2 weeks.

It's hardly ideal

But, as I said, I hope they will give of their best.


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