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England the best side on the planet?

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Dec 2016, 10:57
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29 Dec 2016, 10:57#1

England rugby coach Eddie Jones paid tribute on Wednesday to the way his all-conquering players developed in 2016 when they swept all before them to win 13 successive matches.

The Australian has overseen an astonishing revival in English fortunes after getting the job following a woeful World Cup display on home soil which led to the sacking of Stuart Lancaster.

Jones believes his players have become much more robust in taking the on-field decisions that brought a Six Nations grand slam followed by an unprecedented series whitewash in Australia and a clean sweep in the November internationals.

"The players have really changed, they are much more robust, more self-reliant," said Jones.

"They can make decisions on the pitch by themselves, and we are seeing them (do that) in difficult games."

Jones admitted they were hard-pressed to beat Scotland 15-9 in his first match in charge, a fierce Calcutta Cup clash at Murrayfield, when he said they just did enough to get home.

"We got the points and got a lot of confidence from that. I can remember getting out of the bus at the ground and this little Scotland fan was shouting out at the top of his voice 'we're going to stuff you guys, we're going to stuff you guys'," Jones said.

"That was the start of being part of that intense Six Nations rivalry between teams."

England, on an unbeaten run of 14 matches including the win over Uruguay in their last World Cup game, completed the grand slam with a 31-21 victory in Paris and begin their new campaign against France at Twickenham on February 4.

Jones played down his own role in England's marvellous year.

"The players deserve 90 per cent of the credit and the other 10 per cent goes to the staff who work very well," he said.

"We're lucky with England that we have got very good support staff, with Steve Borthwick, Paul Gustard and now Neil Hatley's doing a terrific job."

FAT HANSEN says

In-form England are capable of breaking New Zealand's record of 18 successive test wins, provided they maintain mental discipline, All Blacks coach Steve Hansen said on Wednesday.

Hansen's men set their 18-match benchmark by defeating Australia in October before Ireland snapped the winning streak with a famous victory in Chicago last month.

England have won 14 tests on the trot and can surpass the All Blacks if they sweep all five of their matches in the Six Nations tournament early next year.

"Of course they can, if they've got the mental fortitude to get up every week and play well," Hansen told Radio Sport when asked if England could do it.

He expected England to defeat Italy and Scotland, conceding Ireland, France and Wales were "toughies" but beatable if England repeated their 2016 Grand Slam heroics.

"We know they're capable of beating them, they went through the last year undefeated. It's there for them to have a crack at," Hansen said.

The All Blacks' winning run stretched from August 2015 until the Ireland defeat on November 5 and Hansen said staying mentally sharp over such a long period was difficult.

"It's obviously a very tough thing to do from a preparation and mental point of view without sub-consciously letting complacency slip in," he said.

He believed England's 2015 World Cup trauma – when they became the only host nation bundled out in the pool stages – and their no-nonsense Australian coach Eddie Jones would keep them focused.

"The one thing England have in their favour is that they've had a lot of adversity," he said.

"That World Cup really hurt those players and they've got a steely determination to want to do better and a coach who's driving it.

"That's a good combination to put a lot of wins together."


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Dec 2016, 13:07
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29 Dec 2016, 13:07#2
 Ol' Jonesy talks a good game. When will the Boks rise again Beeno? We are sick & tired of the excuses - you always excelled at that - we want the Brutish Boks back.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Dec 2016, 13:10
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29 Dec 2016, 13:10#3
 You trying to ruin the brilliant, magnificent, perfect NZ'ers' festive season by posting this? You really want them to choke on their new year dinners, huhh?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Dec 2016, 13:41
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29 Dec 2016, 13:41#4
 JW I know how you idolise the Mighty Boks but I am sorry to say it is unlikely the Boks will rise again unless some Big changes are made. I won't again repeat all the changes that are needed.Meanwhile JW you can look up to the Poms. 
The Poms backs are better than usual although I think their pack has slipped a bit. Put in a great Pom pack and you really will have something. Jones is a great coach as we saw when the JApanese beat the most experienced Bok side ever (Most over the hill side in my view with wee matfiled 103 kg pretending to play lock!)

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Dec 2016, 14:19
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29 Dec 2016, 14:19#5
 Beeno, Moz is right the only hope for the Boks is a "back to the future" approach. Players like Matfield, the Steyns & Alberts will bring back the glory days of the Boks (Pre-Japan). 
Who are we to question Moz when he has been so wrong on so many counts (climate change, etc.). He must be right on how to fix the Boks, he is due
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Dec 2016, 14:40
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29 Dec 2016, 14:40#6
 JW your sucking up the climate change propaganda is a sure sign your "mind" is under the control of the elite one world government globalist. I can tell a globalist puppet from a mile off.  There are a number of things the globalist espouse so its easy to tell who are globalist dupes and who are freedom loving nationalists.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Dec 2016, 14:51
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29 Dec 2016, 14:51#7
 JONES LOOKING TO DISPLACE NZ AS BEST TEAM - SEEMS HE HAS ALREADY!

Cape Town - England head coach Eddie Jones has called for constant improvement for his side in 2017.

Jones’ side head into the new year off the back of an unbeaten year and 13 straight victories in 2016.

A victory against France in their first fixture of 2017 would also seem them stretch their unbeaten run to a record 15 matches, surpassing the achievements of the 2003 World Cup winning side.

However, Jones says he has his sights firmly set on displacing New Zealand as the best team in the world.

"It’s always nice to win but we want to achieve so much more than that," Jones told the England rugby website.

"We are excited about the prospect of getting better and being the best team in the world."

"It’s a nice record to have, people are excited about it but we are excited about the prospect of getting better and being the best team in the world."

England’s achievements in 2016 include a first Grand Slam since 2003, a historic series whitewash over Australia down under and a clean sweep of victories in the autumn internationals.

When reflecting on 2016, Jones said: "I’m proud of the players, I’m proud of how hard they’ve worked and the courage they have shown to change and develop and the realisation is that we’ve only just started and we have a long way to go.

"Rugby is a complex game, but the beauty of the game is if you keep on repeating the simple things well you play the game beautifully and that is our aim."

Jones’ side start their Six Nations defence by hosting France at Twickenham and end the campaign away at Ireland. Following that they face the Barbarians before a two-game tour of Argentina.

And despite an unbeaten 2016, Jones is aware his side can still improve further while adding he also expects to test the depth of his squad in 2017.

"Our scrum to start with needs to be more consistent than it has been, our line-out needs to be more consistent, our defence has been enormously powerful and suffocating but at times has given away too many easy tries," he said.

"Once we get those pillars right we’ll start working on our attack."

He added: "We’re hoping to have the bulk of our squad involved in the Lions so we’ll lose a lot of our team for the tour of Argentina. Then it will be about developing depth and having three quality players for every position.

"The first part of the year is about the squad winning the Six Nations again and to do that we have to beat France in that first game at Twickenham on 4 February. After the Six Nations it’s going to be about developing depth."

Jones, who has now been in the job 13 months, also challenged the players to continue to show desire and hunger over the next year.

"To be number one in the world you have to play every Test as if it is your last and when a player gets that England jersey he has to have that mentality and give it everything he has got."


YES jONESIE JUST  IMPROVE YOUR PACK AND THE ABS WILL WILT LIKE FLOWERS BEFORE YOU. A LL THE BEST

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Dec 2016, 16:12
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29 Dec 2016, 16:12#8
 They are second best ATM and no matter what records they could potentially beat, they still need to play and beat the Allblacks at least home and away to even be considered . ...not gonna happen any time soon though.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Dec 2016, 16:26
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29 Dec 2016, 16:26#9
@Draad. The ABs would tell you that when you are at the top of the rankings, you are the top team in the world, irrespective of who you have or have not played. There are, of course, exceptional circmustances. Like when the ABs get knocked out of the RWC by the eventual fourth placed team, in which case the winners are not really the champs by virtue of them not having played against the ABs.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Dec 2016, 21:30
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29 Dec 2016, 21:30#10
 So true Windpomp. It' s always excuses from JW and co!
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
29 Dec 2016, 21:32
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29 Dec 2016, 21:32#11
 Makes sense hitching yourself to England's wagon when you're own team is as sh!t as yours I guess...
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Dec 2016, 21:41
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29 Dec 2016, 21:41#12
 Interesting to speculate whether the open leagues up north, with plenty of imports will actually improve local teams. Soccer provides some insights. In Germany it seems the local talent is amplified by foreign players....to the benefit of German standards and the national team. By contrast in England local talent seems to be shut out by foreign talent and the English soccer team is nowhere. To this point, at least in England it looks more like German soccer model.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Dec 2016, 21:42
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29 Dec 2016, 21:42#13
 Poooooie greetings! England are set to improve further after their trouncing of the wee abs last time round. Instead of saying its impossible for anybody to beat the wee abs perhaps just wait and see rather than getting in a kiwi huff.
As for the Boks so idolised by JW nothing will happen until a decision is made to sort out the chaos here. Despite operating at 60% we have still run you guys close many times and achieved wins. A 100% Bok side would mince the wee abs as we all know.
First step would be to adopt merit throughout the system.

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
29 Dec 2016, 21:49
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29 Dec 2016, 21:49#14
 Pretty sure we dusted the English the last time 4 times we met, how'd you lot get on?
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
30 Dec 2016, 05:07
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30 Dec 2016, 05:07#15
  Pretty sure we dusted the English the last time 4 times we met, how'd you lot get on?





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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Dec 2016, 06:14
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30 Dec 2016, 06:14#16
 Well we dusted them 3 of the last 4 times we met....hahaha!
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
30 Dec 2016, 07:02
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30 Dec 2016, 07:02#17
Laughter is the best medicine...new Springbok motto?
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
30 Dec 2016, 07:11
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30 Dec 2016, 07:11#18
England players are good Beeno and some are very good but overall the NZ'ers pip them by a good country mile...EJ is just such a damn good coach and that just emphasises the value of good coaching,a coach that knows exactly what is required and how to complete the job...EJ has proved this point first with Japan and now with England (who before he arrived on the scene couldn't even make it though the pool stage in last wc).
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Dec 2016, 22:38
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30 Dec 2016, 22:38#19
Yes with Trum*p as president America will do just fine. George Soros is going down!
NZ may have to see who else will protect tem from the Asians/Chinese etc. But I  suspect they will come crawling back to Daddy USA having repented of their anti semitic ways - at least on the surface. 
Beeno not fooled by the kiwis!
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
30 Dec 2016, 22:56
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30 Dec 2016, 22:56#20
 ..Bean Brain ,trust you to turn every thread into a political statement...you need to wake up mate T rump is the NWO stooge with a globalist agenda, he has connections with some of the most wealthiest and elite families in the world, he's been cutting deals with them for years.....depicting himself as an agent of change is the oldest trick in the book, that's what politicians do when they want to get elected...you've been hoodwinked big time you dopey yarpy...
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Dec 2016, 23:29
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30 Dec 2016, 23:29#21
 well poie, we beat the poms for 10 years...it was good, but nothing like the streak of victory NZ have against... everyone   ....your gloating cheapens the achievement though....but then again, gloating is not such a bad thing if it's a kiwi?
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WardadPro6,663 posts
31 Dec 2016, 03:45
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31 Dec 2016, 03:45#22
 Poie I did enjoy watching the wee Boks dusting the loudmouthed poms making their dangly bits swing even lower than their sagging spirits .Bro your wrong about the ABs beating the Poms 4 times in a row ......it was 5 ! And 9 on the trot before that just one short of the wee boks but ah well cant have everything.I was really hoping the boks would shut Eddies yappy mouth this year dammit.
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
31 Dec 2016, 06:04
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31 Dec 2016, 06:04#23
 Hmm, let's see Beeno starts a thread, trolls the All Blacks, I fire a shot back and Draad gets all butt hurt.  But trolling is ok when your proxy Beeno does it right?
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
31 Dec 2016, 07:20
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31 Dec 2016, 07:20#24
 ..."I fire a shot back and Draad gets all butt hurt."
Dearie me, and here I was thinking I'm the only one who's noticed.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Dec 2016, 08:28
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31 Dec 2016, 08:28#25
 OK, Beeno started it, so it's OK to gloat then...my bad sorry.p
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Dec 2016, 08:39
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31 Dec 2016, 08:39#26
Draad, how on earth can poi-e's setting Baboon-ou straight on some facts be construed as "gloating"?
I don't get a gloating tone at all from poi-e or the other kiwis on this thread. Poi-e is responding to the idiot Baboon-ou just as you or I would have responded back in 1998 to some idiot trying to belittle those Springboks. 
I think you're reading something into the NZ responses that just isn't there. I think the kiwis on this board are remarkably modest when you consider Baboon-ou's embarrassing provocation and the fact that they actually have a lot to gloat about . . . from a rugby perspective anyway.
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
31 Dec 2016, 08:54
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31 Dec 2016, 08:54#27
 I look forward to you correcting Beeno next time he trolls then Draad ...if you get a chance to extract your lips from his a$$
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jan 2017, 10:07
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01 Jan 2017, 10:07#28
 OK, I read through his posts again and it was a fair response to Beenz. Sorry, I take it back. Maybe I'll be less touchy if the Boks weren't as kak.
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
01 Jan 2017, 15:13
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01 Jan 2017, 15:13#29
 England is the first of countries that play loser rugby.

The winning streak:
It goes as noted: it was against NZ's interests to set a record so high they would be the only ones to challenge it and this every five years or so (like for a 40 win streak)

It is about selling sporting events and breaking a record is a big event. As it goes, the prospect of the event is being sold, this will put people behind a screen and on seats.

It is all hype and hype is not  a measure to assess rugby. Hype is believed by people who want to believe.


It is one other reason why rugby should be stopped: people are not interested in rugby, they are interested in events. They do not want to watch rugby being played, they want events of rugby.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
01 Jan 2017, 15:38
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01 Jan 2017, 15:38#30
England needs to beat the All Blacks at Twickenham and then also in New Zealand to be considered the best team in the world. 
On a slow pitch- I would favour the English pack over the All Blacks, but on a hard fast pitch New Zealand pack is more mobile and quicker to the breakdown - even if their forwards are getting less than 50% possession fr om the first phase. 
New Zealand's backline is much better than Englands. That backline move by England vs the Boks fooled Tootsie and his "staff"- but I think the All Blacks could have prevented that try.

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generaltitPro3,164 posts
01 Jan 2017, 15:54
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01 Jan 2017, 15:54#31
I don't th ink England will beat the AB's...unless EJ can crack the code...bear in mind they also never fear opposition and are confident, they simply stick to their techniques of a complete game...the difference is they never panic and just really go with toughness, fitness and most of all they simply execute their plans...there is nothing mystical about this.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
01 Jan 2017, 15:59
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01 Jan 2017, 15:59#32
 @SB. May I repeat an earlier post...?
Ceradyne
 
Status: Rugby Legend 
Posts: 5747RE: England the best side on the planet?
December 29, 2016, 16:26:48

@Draad. The ABs would tell you that when you are at the top of the rankings, you are the top team in the world, irrespective of who you have or have not played. There are, of course, exceptional circmustances. Like when the ABs get knocked out of the RWC by the eventual fourth placed team, in which case the winners are not really the champs by virtue of them not having played against the ABs.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jan 2017, 22:15
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01 Jan 2017, 22:15#33
 Cera, your view is noted, but the view is contra popular narrative so I can't agree with you because I don't want to be labeled a racist . 
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
02 Jan 2017, 02:17
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02 Jan 2017, 02:17#34
 I honestly think that as Rooie states the ABs fans are actually quite restrained for the most part  .When the Boks lost to Japan and Italy most Kiwis on here were actually dismayed at this and were quick to say so.One can only wonder at what vile behaviour this would elicit in beandik were the roles reversed .Most Kiwis still respect the Boks if not on present form at the very least on their past performances vs th e ABs.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
02 Jan 2017, 12:03
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02 Jan 2017, 12:03#35
 @Draad. My post was directed at Sharkbok.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Jan 2017, 14:07
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02 Jan 2017, 14:07#36
Windpomp what is certain is England were the team of 2016. Time will tell whether they will get to number one. With Jones at the helm it's a distinct possibility but of course many many things could happen to blow them out of the water like injuries and of course those bent down under refs so loved by rooitwitterbug!
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