EOYT

So attention turns to the EOYT now

Five matches, two of which will be tough against France and Ireland, the other three a perfect opportunity to give the youngsters more game time.

So we need to be selecting our best 23 against France and Ireland which will exclude injured players Fassi, Elrigh Louw and Hanekom

With Fassi out we need to find a short term alternative and that must not be Willemse as he is completely wasted at 15 and as he showed against the AB’s his best value is achieved at 12. For me the options at fullback are Moodie, David Kriel, Jordan Hendrikse. But I want to see us stick with Moodie at 13.

So against the two toughies I would go with the following:

15 David Kriel 14 Kolbe 13 Moodie 12 Willemse 11 Arendse 10 Sacha 9 Williams 1 Ox 2 Marx 3 Wilco 4 Eben 5 RG 6 Kolisi 7 PSDT 8 Wiese

16 Wessels 17 Steenkamp 18 Thomas 19 Cobus Wiese 20 Kwagga 21 vd Bergh 22 Pollard 23 Hooker

Against the other three let’s see the likes of:

15 Jordan Hendrikse 14 Edwill 13 Julius 12 Hooker 11 Green 10 Libbok 9 Papier 1 Boan Venter 2 Dweba 3 Hanro Jacobs 4 Ruan Vermaak 5 Ruben v Heerden 6 Buthelezi 7 Vincent Tsituka 8 Roos

16 AH Venter 17 Mchunu 18 Frans Klopper 19 JF v Heerden 20 Nortje 21 Manu Tsituka 22 Pead 23 Horn

Plus a handful of others like Jayden Hendrikse, Jooste, Grobelaar, Ludwig, BJ Dixon and Ruan Venter

Thats the way I would go

Is Kurt-Lee already back or a near thing? A hammy is a tricky one.

15. Arendse

14. Kolbe

13. Moodie

12. Willemse

11. Hooker

10. SFM

9. Williams

1. Ox

2. Marx

3. TDT

4. Eben

5. Nortje

6. Siya

7. PSDT

8. Wiese J

16. Wessels

17. Steenkamp

18. Louw

19. RG

20. Wiese C

21. Wrong Turn

22. VD Bergh

23. Esterhuizen

Sneaky 6.5 bench

Why the fuck would anyone select average Nortje at 5?

David Kriel at 15? Are you joking?

With 0 test experience... against France and England.

You'd be settimg him up to fail David.

Listen to me nicely boy.... 99 times out of 100... even generational talent needs to be groomed and brought in to the system nicely.

Im not saying DK isnt a wonderful player, but unless we absolutely HAVE to.... I'd much rather blend him in to our structures.

Wise comments and I think the squad would indicate a way to go/

You have a point Chip

David, you'll disagree with me here...

For the England and France match, i'd much rather have DDA and Jesse at 12 and 13 with Willemse at fullback.

Willemse is 100% a wonderful 12, but right now.... we are ok at center, but we have a void at fullback with Fassi out.

The only other (untested) option is Moodie at 15.

I am not convinced Fassi will be our first choice fullback and the next World Cup. His defensive positional play at fullback has not been good enough.

Keep Willemse at 12 and let him grow his partnership with Sasha and Libokk, and then test out alternative fullbacks.

"Why the fuck would anyone select average Nortje at 5?"

Our lineout functions better with him in it and the man has an engine to rival PSDT's. Makes his tackles, hits rucks and has a nice touch on the pull back passes. Solid operator.

David is pretty obsessed with chunky locks.

I disagree a bit with him here.

@Xavi... Nortje started the RC terribly but grew in stature as the comp went on.

He is a winderful replacement for the ageing Brannas Mostert, who David also didnt like much.

Anyway.... I back Rassie (and his coaching staff) on this one, he clearly sees something in Nortje.

Well, Dave's still looking for Jayden Hendrikse in the Bok mix, so that should tell you how serious you should take him.

Our best backline talent pool is on the wings….Kolbe, Arendse, Edwill, Hooker. Rather than play an ordinary talent like Hendrikse, why not shift Kolbe to fullback and play the other two on the wing. There’s a back three with fire power.

The best player under the high ball this year was Edwill, he was brilliant, but I’m not sure if his boot is quite good enough for 15.

No Pakie you fucking idiot he is way down the pecking order but nowhere near as bad as your ignorance would have us believe

Moffie is so fucking clueless he thinks Jordan Hendrikse is an ordinary talent - boy that is going to come back to bite this twat who to be fair never has a positive thing to say about most of our players

Xavi it’s beyond me that you attach so much credit to Nortje and our line outs

Our locks have always been good in that department whether it’s had Eben, Lood, RG or Mostert in tow

Nortje like Mostert fails miserably in the physical stakes, such an important part of a test locks make up. He is a far better athlete and player than Mostert but sells us short physically

No Chip we have to move on from DA, AE, Jessie and Am at centre and that needs to be now

DA etc did us a great service over a long time but I’m bored with them - especially after Willemse’s performance at 12 against the AB’s

So for me against France and Ireland it has to be Willemse at 12

The best fits for fullback in the absence of Fassi is David Kriel and Jordan Hendrikse but I get your point that playing them there in vital tests is too much of a gamble. Same would apply to the likes of Tyrone Green and Quan Horn who would do a good job at 15

Moodie is an option but I’d prefer to see him retained at 13, plus playing him at 15 would be on par with throwing the likes of David Kriel etc in the deep end as he is new to test rugby and it’s never been at 15

So the best bet is Kolbe at 15 given his experience at test level, with Edwil and Arendse on the wing - Willemse and Moodie at centre with Sacha at 10, Williams at 9 with vd Bergh, Libbok or Pollard and Hooker on the bench

‘So the best bet is Kolbe at 15 given his experience at test level, with Edwil and Arendse on the wing’….LOL….you dump on my post and then ape my suggestion. The only part you disagreed with is the part you got wrong…Hendrikse is an ordinary talent,

I never dumped on your post relating to Kolbe, Arendse and Edwil now did I you fucking idiot?

Coming from you regarding Hendrikse I take with a pinch of salt - fuck me you think PSDT is crap - say no more

Fucking moron

That post included the Hendrikse comment you did dump on….do try so hard to keep up. If you don’t you look even more stupid.

Welll that was obvious you idiot but I guess given how stupid you are I should have painted pictures for you re your ignorant dump

My bad snap, crackle and pop

Just admit you got it wrong….you also have the wrong food company,

I got fuck all wrong you are just too fucking stupid

I don’t give a toss about what food company it was old man - it’s a fucking food company

It’s fucking nothing - it might as well have been fucking toothpaste

.

You want small potatoes….selling locally to a few retailers in England out of a trumped up kitchen.

I never said ice cream was anything special but the business is mine, unlike you who’s been a lackey all his life - making calls for the benefit of an undertaking that is not yours - been there done that - it served its purpose

As for ice cream with a 400% margin - yon work it out old man

David, you say you're bored of DA etc...

I don't know if boredom is a good enough reason to change things up.

As mentioned previously, I'm all game to see D Kriel, Willemse, SFM, Hooker etc... thats our future...

But it needs to be done methodically. Otherwise we'll either temporarily dip in form which will cause SARugby a few headaches... or we'll totally ruin a few careers.

So ideally i'd love to see some of he new guys selected for the italian and japanese tests, but the experienced core to start against the others.

I hate making lists until squads ahve been selected, so when that happens, lets compare some lists.

Anyway... its so lekker to debate these things with you.

#FamilyLove

Okay I’ll be generous….sales 500,000….gross margin 40% (these have to be tiny retailers to be that stupid) ….gross margin 400,000. depreciation on equipment and cost of premises 50000…..transport 50000….cost of employees (oops no employees just you)….insurance 20000…..local taxes 10000…admin including tax returns 30000….contingencies 50000.

Net profit 180000….income tax 80,000. Net at the end of the year 100,000.

Moffie you are so far off it’s a joke

Wow who the fuck employed you?

And if you are going to pretend to know then try not throw a lie or two in there as well

Oh yeah, shit I forgot - you lie all the time

Chip for me Willemse and Moodie showed us the way forward and I’m excited about what the likes of Hooker, Julius, David Kriel and Henco v Wyk can add to the equation

Personally I think Jurenzo will surpass Moodie at 13 in time he is thst exciting

I have always been a huge fan of DA, AE and Am, less so Jessie but still rate him highly. Apart from Am, the others play it predictably which has served us well for ages and they played it according to a plan

But I’m bored of that plan and I want to see if the Willemse at 12 way will work over an extended period. He is very experienced so replacing DA with him is not a concern. Moodie is still finding his way at 13 but I feel that now that the creative and intelligence of Am at 13 has been replaced by the more robotic version of 13 in Jessie, we lose nothing with Moodie continuing to push at 13 - he has far more X factor than Jessie ever had

Fassi injured throws a huge spanner in the works as it’s forcing Rassie to move Willemse to 15 where he is clearly nowhere near as effective as he is at 12

Rassie has to find a back up for Fassi and he needs to be using the Jap, Italian and Welsh tests to do this - my call is Jordan Hendrikse - this lad is good

But I get your take that we can’t throw him or David Kriel in against France and Ireland so we need to find a short term solution in order to keep Willemse at 12

Kolbe is the obvious choice - given his general test experience, has played 15 and is fearless

Plus a back three of Kolbe, Arendse and Edwil is pretty exciting from an attacking point of view

Nice chatting rugby for a change instead of all this boring shit taking place on here at the moment

Never mind Dave keep at it, maybe you’ll get to those numbers in Year 5.

Whooooosh

Moffie Id love to know where you sucked those numbers from

Did you do the same at snap, crackle and pop?

Illustrative of a typical small business….but I could be wrong my experience was multiples of billions. The fact that you remember snap, crackle, pop is testament to a brilliant advertising campaign, unfortunately not my company.

Pretty piss poor illustration Moffie

More like sucking from your ignorant thumb, as you always do

Fuck me you must have been piss poor at your job - but then again you were dealing with a bunch of gullible Yanks

Oh sure the gullible Yanks that gave the world modern technology. I managed a business in the Uk and had many UK subs reporting to me. It was like going back in time….but they responded enthusiastically to good direction.Never mind Shorty maybe you’ll get to the point you actually do have to pay taxes.

Fuck me you must have been piss poor at your job

Do you realize just how pathetically stupid and vindictive you look here.....

You met Moz ... a long time ago, even went out for dinner with him.... I think.

You also already personally know that Moz has done extremely well for himself..... I think we all do

We also know that he has a few degrees behind his name.... I think in economincs, but I'm not too sure

We also know that he once ran or was on the board of one or a few Fortune 500 companies

You also know that he has a very nice property portfolio as well, in various places in the world

Insult him all you want David, as many times as you want to..........but to try and portray Moz as someone who was "piss poor at his job", when you are the one who gave up and ran away from your only profession, is just low class and typical of what your true character really is.

It's sad actually

Yeah I’m sure they did - it’s England not NZ - there is nothing backward about the Poms and I’m sure they added far more to modern technology than the Yanks ever did

Fuck me look what the Yanks gave us - American football, baseball and basketball - a big fucking YAWN - on par with their fucking boring country music

You have to be pretty fucking stupid to vote the likes of Biden and Trump as your leaders

All of the above, sums the USA up perfectly

You have to be pretty fucking stupid to vote the likes of Biden and Trump as your leaders

LMFAO

This.... coming from the same guy living in a country with Starmer as his leader.....

Give me Trump over him ....any day of the week, including Sundays

Pick your battles David..... please

You have a point, Starmer is a pathetic wet blanket - much like yourself and a few others on here

Woah woah woah fellas,

Country music catching strays in this thread.

We're better than that.

Not a fan of country music

But I can’t work out why - as I love folk music

I think it’s the pronounced American accent in the vocals but I’m not sure

Can't do country music Xavi ..... I just really can't...........it would be torture

I would rather have one of Dave's ice creams forced on me.... and that says something

American football it’s so boring, sissies wearing helmets…except the hits you see on almost every down would get red cards in rugby …and one of the best young wings in rugby wasn’t athletic enough to make it in football.

Boring ….mostly….but incredibly physical