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Erasmus' Tight Had Dilemma

Started by clevermike10 REPLIES628 VIEWS· 25 Sept 2018, 18:10
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2018, 18:10
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25 Sept 2018, 18:10#1

The following from News24:-


"Vincent Koch has met up with the Springboks in Port Elizabeth and is in the selection mix for Saturday's clash against the Wallabies. 


Koch was added to the squad for the final two matches of the Rugby Championship, and he acknowledged on Tuesday that his call-up came as a surprise. 


Currently playing his rugby out of Saracens in England, Koch's inclusion further bolsters the tighthead stocks at the Boks. 


Frans Malherbe and Wilco Louw have been the two tightheads that coach Rassie Erasmus has backed most throughout the Rugby Championship so far, but the inclusion of Koch makes for an interesting selection dilemma. 

Then there is still Thomas du Toit of the Sharks and Trevor Nyakane, who is nearing a return to full fitness.


"It's a good problem to have. I think the group of tightheads we have at the moment are world class players," Koch said from PE on Tuesday.


"I think any coach of any team would like to have that problem. It's a challenge, but we're all mates and we all just want the best for each other.


"We've got to push each other to the next level because the competition is so good, but that just brings out the best for the player and the for the team as well.


"It's great to be back ... I didn't really expect it. The guys and the coaches have welcomed me with open arms."


There is indeed a Tighthead dilemma for Erasmus.   Malherbe is playing very well in scrumming and outside of scrumming - but a back-up is needed and this is where the problem really is.  The list of potential back-ups is long and even problematic:-


Wilco Louw


There is no question about Louw's scrumming in the first four to five scrums = thereafter he goes flat and his scrumming deteriorates badly.   However,  Louw is a liability outside of scrumming and thi was confirmed playing for WP on Saturday when he had a shocker.


Vincent Koch


His call-up  is to cover for another shocker by Louw.   I suspect he ill be on the bench on Saturday tosee how he perform and may even be used against the AB's,  He ahs a very high workl rate outside of scrumming.  


Coenie Oosthuizen 


He was off for a year with an injury.  He obviously will be included in the EOYT squad.


Thomas Du Toit and Trevor Nyakane 


In view of the recent deterioration in the scrumming  performance of Beast insofar as scrumming is concerned - ot may happen that one of the two or even both are move back  to loosejead where they played most of their career thus far.  






sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
25 Sept 2018, 18:23
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25 Sept 2018, 18:23#2
I don't see the point of calling up Cotch - as tight head is one of the few areas with depth.
Coenie- if he can pick up form again is the best outside of the scrum.
Nyakana is probably better as a loosehead, although he is solid at 3. 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Sept 2018, 19:07
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25 Sept 2018, 19:07#3
I’m trying to figure out what could be the dilemma that Erasmus’ tight had been having.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
25 Sept 2018, 19:12
#4
25 Sept 2018, 19:12#4
His tights split down the side...
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
25 Sept 2018, 19:16
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25 Sept 2018, 19:16#5

Haha Shark, I was just about to ask what the dilemma with Erasmus' tights are

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
25 Sept 2018, 19:16
#6
25 Sept 2018, 19:16#6

And so were many others, apparently.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2018, 21:12
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25 Sept 2018, 21:12#7

The poor members - sorry but I messed up the heading - but there can be no real understanding  on the part of the closed minds is which of the players listed would be the back-up Tighthead props.

Let us have your views on that.   

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Sept 2018, 21:40
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25 Sept 2018, 21:40#8
Our tightheads in order: Louw Thomas Marcel vd Merwe Malherbe Coenie Nyakane Koch Jonker
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Sept 2018, 22:03
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25 Sept 2018, 22:03#9
Hahaha......Tannie Malaprop in mid season form. Of course this whole string was started to attack Wilco Louw, for the very obvious reason that I rate him.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2018, 04:45
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26 Sept 2018, 04:45#10

No Mozart

No hatred at all = hatred of players I leave entirely to you.  Also left to you are lies you use to discredit players, 

Let me put it bluntly in the case of Louw the situation is in fact as  follows:-

*    Towards the end of the Super Rugby season Louw's scrumming seemed to go backwards and he was at best satisfactory.   

*     Louw was given an opportunity to start  in the Wales test and was at best barely satisfactory.

*     Outside of scrumming Louw always was a low work  rate player.

There seems to be a stamina problem in his case.   He would scrum very well in the first four or five scrums and then go back fast.   It happened again on Saturday in the CC game where he lasted five scrums and then went backwards.

Another problem is with performance outside of scrumming.  Since you admire low work rate players you are normally unable to see anything wrong with such players so  I do not expect that you know what is wrong in such cases. 

You also attacked Erasmus in the past,   Since it is clear that Erasmus prefer Malherbe to Louw you have an excellent reason to attack him for his "hatred" of Louw.   

Wonderful coming from you - the only person who has a hate campaign  against players nd there are a long list of those.   Unlike you I do not invent lies or  distortions to justify evaluation of performance of players -  I stick to facts.

Now go off and cry om the shoulders of your fellow BSters - maybe they will  come to your assistance in this case.           



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Sept 2018, 05:16
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26 Sept 2018, 05:16#11
Actually Liarmike if you just switch off the voices in your head you will notice I don't use the phrase 'hatred of players'. That's your description. Chewed any carpets recently?
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