ESPN vs Auge - Round 1

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Jul 24, 2019, 16:15

Argument: According to ESPN Lood missed 0 tackles. I say he missed a tackle on Isi, the Wallaby #8. You decide. 

Jul 24, 2019, 16:20

Nope takes him low and the 8 goes straight to ground. Tackle effected ESPN 1 - Liar 0

Jul 24, 2019, 16:22


AO is an habitual liar - you will get nowhere with the Idiot Speaker.  

Jul 24, 2019, 16:22


AO is an habitual liar - you will get nowhere with the Idiot Speaker.  

Jul 24, 2019, 16:26

Wrong again. At the point Lood misses, Louw and Nyakane have hands on Isi's back. He goes to ground as he has two Boks right on top of him. 


Successful Tackles: Louw and Trevor

Jul 24, 2019, 16:31

Bullshit he goes straight down the other Boks do not tackle him - ESPN is spot on and you are lying

Jul 24, 2019, 16:32

Straight to ground you say, Dave? 4m on? If there was no one in front of him he would have pushed up off his knee and kept going.

Jul 24, 2019, 16:32

The Boks don't tackle him? Now this is funny. They have their hands on him as he gains ground but nobody tackles him. You are too much Saffy! This reminds me of that JJ thread where he "wasn't" bounced in the tackle. :D

Jul 24, 2019, 16:39

He goes to ground the other Boks having hands on him does not equate to a bloody tackle - what school of rugby did you drag your knowledge from?

Jul 24, 2019, 16:41

That is a certainly missed tackle.

This is why I do not take fantasy competitions seriously.  The quantitative stats are incorrect, and the qualitative stats are often non-existant. 

Jul 24, 2019, 16:44

Shark you thick

Jul 24, 2019, 16:44

The pic above captures the immediate point of contact with a defender. The following shows Isi's body position before contact. He hunches into the contact point of Louw and Trevor. They get hands on him and bring him to ground. Lood dives in, making no impact in the attempted tackle.  


Jul 24, 2019, 16:46


Jul 24, 2019, 17:15

Missed tackle...unless Lood managed to hold onto the foot to effectively trip him, but not what I would call a tackle really....or he lost balance and fell all on his own...poor tackle attempt either way.

Jul 24, 2019, 17:16


Jul 25, 2019, 11:29

I thought this would be a good time to remind some punters as to what proper, completed tackles actually look like :angel: Courtesy of our much maligned midfield defense.

Jul 25, 2019, 12:07

That hit on Foley though!!! Boomfa!!:D

Destination Fuct.

Jul 25, 2019, 12:08

Jul 25, 2019, 12:13

How many tackles made and how many missed.  Three pics is not conclusive proof.  And in some cases forwards make tackles which should have been handled by our midfield defenders.

Also it I clear that Pakie claims that Jean de Villiers lied about the mid-field defense problem.  Does he know better than De Villiers about what really happened?

No proof yet of his claim that ESPN stats said Steyn made no successful tackles in the 28 minutes he was ion the field of play - while Pakie claimed he made 2 tackles.   We all know Pakie clcaims he is always right and everyone else wrong - but please show us the proof Pakie.     

Jul 25, 2019, 17:31

Yes, Pakie does know better. If Jean had to come here and try to back up his statement he would be routed. It's that simple. He made a bad call. Pakie proved it. It's best you learn to live with that, as you say, fact of life. :D

"We all know Pakie clcaims he is always right and everyone else wrong"

Why don't you quote Pakie as claiming to know better than everyone. The floor is yours Mike von Clever. 

Jul 25, 2019, 17:57

What a conceited bastard - too stupid to discuss rugby issues on site - both you Idiot Speakers yet you claim you know more about rugby than  De Villiers as well as Erasmus.    Yet you admire the worst coach of the decade and make up BS about how good he was.   

Jul 25, 2019, 17:59

From what is attributed to Jean (I did not see it)...he said there were defensive lapses in midfield...he did not say the centers were responsible, did he? IMO, we got exposed in midfield when things got out of structure and we had to scramble on defence...our loosies were too slow to plug gaps when the centers were taken out of only happened a few times, but still...

And some of the previous poor defensive accusations against DdA can also be tracked back to slow is what it is, you can't have a perfect mix. Every time you choose physicality, you give up a bit of mobility and vice versa. 

Jul 25, 2019, 18:59

"yet you claim you know more about rugby than  De Villiers as well as Erasmus."

Quote me. I dare you. 

"Yet you admire the worst coach of the decade and make up BS about how good he was."

Meyer has a 66% record. Coetzee has a 44% record. Rassie has a 53% record. Now explain to me how Meyer is the worst coach of the decade. Yes, making BS indeed. 

If you want conceited, look no further than your username. 

Jul 25, 2019, 19:02

I did not realise there were so many stupid posters on this board.

The definition of a tackle is to bring someone down it does not include the need to keep hanging on after initial contact for if that was the case an ankle tap would not count as bringing a player down.

Lood goes low the 8 goes down. Lood does not manage to keep contact but he effects the desired effect.

Wake the fuck up

Jul 25, 2019, 19:05

The definition of a tackle is not "to faintly brush against the skin or clothing of the opposition like a bashful zephyr". 

Lood did not bring Isi down. It's that simple Saffy. You are as desperate as Lügnerin. 

Jul 25, 2019, 19:06

So are you saying that after Lood made contact the 8 remained upright you lying twat?

Jul 25, 2019, 19:10

I described the tackle above. Isi hunching his shoulders going into contact in front of Louw is interpreted by you as Isi going down by a successful Lood tackle. You are plainly lying, or wrong.

Jul 25, 2019, 19:15

No you twat the effect of Loods contact causes the 8 to go down you lying prick. Louw and co effectively smothered him on the ground

Jul 25, 2019, 19:37


  1. For a tackle to occur, the ball-carrier is held and brought to ground by one or more opponents.
  2. Being brought to ground means that the ball-carrier is lying, sitting or has at least one knee on the ground or on another player who is on the ground.
  3. Being held means that a tackler must continue holding the ball-carrier until the ball-carrier is on the ground.

Jul 25, 2019, 19:37

Being held means that a tackler must continue holding the ball-carrier until the ball-carrier is on the ground.

Jul 26, 2019, 09:58

Nice one Xavi. I'd say that ends the discussion. :D

Jul 26, 2019, 11:19


I asked not about that one and tends to agree with you about completion of the tackle.  However, ESPN normally reviews the tackle stats - but for some reason  or another did not do so in this case. 

In any event making 13 tackles and technically missing 1 is still a top class performance for a lock.   A hell of a lot better than the other available locks.

However, I asked repeatedly for when the two "tackles"  Steyn made in the 29 minutes he was on the field occurred so did it happen or was it standard BS by one of our "experts"?      

Jul 26, 2019, 11:30

On this I agree with Mike, 13 competed of 14 tackle attempts for a Lock forward is good effort .

Jul 26, 2019, 11:52

Ou Mike, not that you have any grounds on which to make demands for evidence since you never present any yourself, but here are the two tackle involvements by Steyn I recalled from my live viewing of the game (and I have already provided the time stamps to you on a different thread when you asked 3 days ago).

Frame 1. Steyn hits HP, forcing a wayward offload that is gathered by Elstadt.

Frame 2. Steyn hits Faainga'a in tandem with Steph

Now how about that time stamp for Esterhuizen 3m away from the Kerevi break?

Jul 26, 2019, 12:45

Tackle involvement does not mean tackles made as stated by you.   That is the difference.  In both cases tackles were made by other player and there was np completed tackles by Steyn.   

That is why the stories you advertise on this site I so laughable and I would say that Steyn was badly exposed in the case of the Foley try.  That is normal with him and was shown up repeatedly when he played Super rugby from 2013 to 2015.   

Fact is Mozart claimed that Steyn did not have an injury problem that limits his defensive abilities - but I phoned the Sharks office in Durban about it, but they assured me that he suffered from  knee pain but despite that limitation he can still play.  To be nasty - his excessive weight was the reason for the painful knee.      It limited his sideway movement in defense and  players can easily pass him on either side and his defense remained a problem as a result.  That is exactly what happened on Saturday and exactly why -

*   Plumtree said he was no center; and

*   Montpellier stopped using him at center or flyhalf and for the last year basically used him as stand-in full back.

I have seen  him missing tackles galore because of that deficiency.          

Jul 26, 2019, 12:55

Tackle involvement does not mean tackles made as stated by you.   That is the difference.  In both cases tackles were made by other player and there was np completed tackles by Steyn.  

Yep, and therefore I am fine with ESPN's numbers in this case after reviewing the match. 

So how about that time stamp for Esterhuizen 3m away from the Kerevi break?

Jul 26, 2019, 14:54

No I a not going to watch the match again to find the time stamp/ - but one thing is for sure - we are lucky not to see Esterhuizen again playing in tests - he was so poor that he is likely to be out of the squad for the WC.  A Super Rugby standard player not capable to take the step up to the next level

I like Erasmus - he makes true, objective and professional performance assessments without prejudice and can see when a player is not really up to standard.       

Jul 26, 2019, 15:04

Lomp clearly missed that tackle. If the attempt was made 5 metres from the line it was a try.

Jul 26, 2019, 15:19

IF my auntie had balls she would have been my uncle.

Jul 26, 2019, 15:39

No I a not going to watch the match again to find the time stamp

You can fast forward to 17:37 for the Kerevi break, no need to watch the whole match. Come on now.

Jul 26, 2019, 16:56

The wriggly wee wirm is on the run again. 

Jul 26, 2019, 17:14

No - you are the most ignorant commentator on rugby \issues ever.

Jul 26, 2019, 19:18

Coming from you, those are reassuring words. :P

Jul 31, 2020, 00:43


Jul 31, 2020, 00:59

Exactly - I was not wrong, around the ankles and the player goes down, what’s the issue.

If it had been a missed tackle the player would not have ended up on the ground

ESPN spot on

Case closed you lying twat

Jul 31, 2020, 03:28

But Dave in similar circumstances you happily said Mostert missed the tackle.....except Mostert actually brought the guy to  ground:

May 28, 2020, 22:37

Bullshit nowhere in the law does it say a tackle is effected if said player is able to continue forward, which is exactly what Tuilagi did. A tackle is effected if you bring a player down and he stays down 

With Ford is was a straightforward one on one miss by Mostert. Mostert gets a hard on Ford who slips past him but thankfully is tackled by another Bok 

Mostert missed two tackles - it’s both a fact and beyond debate 

Jul 31, 2020, 03:58

This seems like favoritism Dave.

Jul 31, 2020, 14:32

Wrong Moz, Mostert’s miss was tackled by the next defender, the player was able to carry on.

Lood’s contact causes the player to go down, no doubt had the other defenders not been there he could have got back up and continued forward.

So while Lood did not hang onto the 8 as his step got him away from Lood but Lood got enough on him to bring him down which constitutes a tackle not a miss

Jul 31, 2020, 15:48

The way the Springboks defended was organized extremely well.   There are two things they do - especially Du Toit.  He would rush after the ball recipient.   It the recipient went straight  or to his left he would be tackled by Du Toit.   If he goes to his right he would run into a host of defenders.  

I am afraid that Mozart and the most stupendous fool on the site has never seen that happening.     

Jul 31, 2020, 15:49

You have the utter stupidity to being this thread back.  LMAO 

Jul 31, 2020, 15:49

You have the utter stupidity to being this thread back.  LMAO 

Jul 31, 2020, 17:02

Nope.....Mostert actually brings the man to ground and because he is clattered into by Marx he doesn’t manage to hold Lomp’s case the number 8 only puts a knee on the ground and never stops moving forward.

Lomp’s tackle is way less an effected  tackle than Mostert’s.

Some consistency please!

Jul 31, 2020, 18:00

But what about Steyn's tackle in the RWC final which you called a try saving tackle that was not a tackle at all.   Remember that one?  

I would not go back. to the rugby of 2018 tory and find a fault with a player and ignore his later contributions.   On last years performances performances Mostert was lucky to be in the WC squad - he cannot make open field tackles and there are plenty examples of that.  Mostert is a powder-  puff player and unlikely to make the Springbok squad in future. 

Jul 31, 2020, 18:41

Mostert’s tackle, player brought to ground.....Steyn’s hard open field tackle after Dud Allende missed Watson, player brought to ground....Lomp’s tackle, player not brought to ground.

It’s that simple.

Aug 01, 2020, 05:49

I have never ever seen a "tackle" like Steyn made,   Steyn stood upright when Watson ran into him and basically pushed him out of the way, but lost his balance in the process.  Du Toit did prevent Watson from getting up and scoring a try as well as causing him to knock the ball on,  .   De Allende never got near enough to Watson to tackle him - he tried desperately to get to Watson - even making a dive - but never touched Watson in the process.   

Your description as to what happened in the incident was just a joke in desperately trying to mislead site members in your normal way, .    

Aug 01, 2020, 18:46

Ja Dud Allende tried desperately to tackle Watson but slow as a cart horse, never got close enough...Steyn did and brought him down. Dud Allende also missed May in the in goal area at the start of the game when a try was beckoning. Dud Toit should also have been penalized for diving on Watson.

Duds doing what they do best.

I guess that sets the record straight.

Aug 01, 2020, 19:45


You are lying again - shame on you.   IN both cases it was the case where De Allende came from the inside to get to the players and in  the case pf May what happened was exactly the same as was the case of the attempted tackle by Farrell on Kolbe before the latter scored his try,  Why dio you always loose perspective when dealing with certain players?.       

Aug 01, 2020, 20:14

Nope....Kolbe stepped Farrell. May was outside Dud Allende, who was simply beaten around the outside for pace.....from almost a standing start. Slow...very slow.

Aug 01, 2020, 20:52

DdA was in the top 10 of our RWC superstar but crucial to our game plan...we had a flanker plauing inside center and a hybrid center playing flank...difficult to defend unconventional attacks. 

Aug 01, 2020, 22:00

Rubbish Moz, Mosterts man never goes down, it was a clear miss

Loods contact causes the player to go down

In both instances other defenders are present to mop up

Aug 02, 2020, 00:28

They can help short sightedness Dave.....see a competent optician.

Aug 02, 2020, 00:43

Damian was a non entity, our best 12 wasn't in the squad because of our shortsighted "coach". Damian is not even a specialist 12, he is and always will be a wing at heart. A failure to transition into a position he has shown no aptitude for. He is a 2/10 at 12 at best. He was embarrassing in the final. But lets not allow that to get in the way of a fictitious fanfiction. 

Aug 02, 2020, 04:14

Madness reigns supreme in the case of AO thrown together with total deception by Mozart.  

Aug 02, 2020, 07:01

So May never beat Dud on the outside...and Farrell wasn’t stepped by Kolbe. Oops they where’s the deception?

Aug 02, 2020, 11:08

If you did not see how May stepped De Allende you must be blind - but you still are misleading the Board members with your BS.  May beat De Allende by stepping on his incide stupid.     

Aug 02, 2020, 17:13

Gosh it was even worse than I remembered .....Allende was so afraid of May’s pace he overcommitted, May literally stopped .....and Allende ran past him. And then he gassed Allende. 

He had the Pom  wing totally trapped against the touch line and couldn’t even pull off the tackle and then got left behind. Look at the Kolbe try for a step.

Fortunately a few minutes later Vermeulen earned a turnover penalty and we went 3 up.

As for the Watson missed tackle, Dud was done for Pace. Horribly in a few strides.....left for dead. Two open field tackles, two missed. Dud can process tackle where there is no space for the runner. Ask him to bring down a good runner in open field and he is lost.

Aug 02, 2020, 17:33

Mozart -caught out and  you are just going deeper into distortion.   Keep it up -  Youi are getting deeper into shit street all the time  and it is really funny.  LOL

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