CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jun 2014, 08:18#2
Mozart
I was disappointed about Esterhuizen as well - his defense was poor and he did nothing much while he was ont eh field of play. Was much more impressed to see what Duhan Van der Merwe did when he replaced Esterhuizen after Dan Kriel was moved to center. Always looked dangerous and he had a crucial impact on the one try scored by Jesse Kriel. He should have been in the starting line up from the word go.
21 Jun 2014, 11:35#3
Esterhuizen did dissapoint but I wouldnt write him off after one poor performance. The lad has a lot of class. Jessie Kriel? Forget about him. Another Goosen situation, wait and see.
NTntanga
Club Pro336 posts
21 Jun 2014, 11:40#4
I watched the whole game guys and I agree Esterhuizen was snoring pretty
much the entire game, but I think JP Smith had a very bad game yesterday,
his kicks from the base of the ruck were charged down occasionally, and
at some point it looked like he had no idea what to do with the ball.
Our scrum was pap, our forwards were bullied all over the guff, and Corniel Els' departure proved costly too.
The English boys mastered their driving maul and outplayed us there, usually its the other way round. It was insane!!
21 Jun 2014, 13:17#5
Both Sergeal Petersen and JP Smith need to be forgotten ASAP, both were awful throughout the tournament.
Top performers =Jesse KrielHandre PollardCyle BrinkJD Schickerling
Aidon Davis, Duhan Van Der Merwe, Jacques Vermeulen, Warrick Gelant, Thomas Du Tiot, Pierre Schoeman, Wilco Louw and Jean-Luc Du Plessis played well given their chance but were not as good as the top 4.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jun 2014, 20:44#6
I think the player who came on when Esterhuizen was replaced - Duhan van der Merwe - was awesome when he came on. He was instrumental in two very good attacking moves and was the key to Kriel's second try.
I agree - Esterhuizen is too good a player to write off after one poor performance. He is the typoe of center that could play a role in future - but he needs to get more experience and start working more on his work rate.
I have a very high opinion of Jakkals Schickerling. He definitely has a very bright future ahead of him - and so does Kriel and Pollard. Matter of fact I think Pollard should figure in the 23 match day squad next Saturday.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Jun 2014, 01:28#7
From what I saw Mike I agree, duhan did very well in setting up that try.
DEDenny
Captain12,893 posts
22 Jun 2014, 05:58#8
Watched him in the pool game against the AB's missing several tackles and again in the semi when he again missed several tackles, he's a Dave like player, built like a Greek statue but with less moves, zero skills and no brains, but hey......he's big.
22 Jun 2014, 08:21#9
Mike, I'm really excited about Duhan Van Der Merwe and I think he'll be the perfect successor of Habana and what a fantastic throne Bryan has created. JD Schickerling is fantastic, but I have a funny feeling that he'll go oversee's as he won't want to sit behind Etzebeth the best lock in the world.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Jun 2014, 14:14#10
Moz some advice, what the whole game before offering pathetic inaccurate comments.......take it you missed him destroying his opposite number one on one and all his massive hits throughout the game.
Let me guess, because we all rate Esterhuizen, from now on every post about the guy from you will be a negative one - you are so predictable
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Jun 2014, 14:16#11
Mike what crap, v/d Merwe broke one tackle but dropped an easy pass to him when put into space, had he taken it he would have scored - he fucked up
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Jun 2014, 16:09#15
Just as I thought, try bloody watch the guy before opening your ignorant gob
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jun 2014, 16:10#16
Actually I was just commenting on the one incident where he gifted the Poms a try. As it turned out that was enough to swing the game....I assume you aren't denying that Dave. Has your delusion become so chronic?
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jun 2014, 17:08#20
Hardly old chop. It was totally evident on the video, but just to help your one eyed vision, here's the Rugby 365 match report:
England's first try, right on the stroke of half-time, came after a missed tackle by Andre Esterhuizen. England piled on the pressure and quick recycling allowed No.11 Nathan Earle to stroll over on the opposite wing. Burns was wide with the conversion and England took a one-point (11-10) lead into the break.
24 Jun 2014, 13:16#22
The Retard contributes.
Impressive!!!
You had me riveted.
24 Jun 2014, 15:20#27
We will all remember that when Morne Steyn inevitably misses a tackle that leads to a Try then, shall we ? He will be the " first one that started the rot " !
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2014, 17:18#30
This wasnt several phases later....the Pom broke past Esterhuizen....ran to about 10 metres out. And they scored directly from there. Case closed. I guess your challenge was a boomerang Dave....hit you right in your fat head.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jun 2014, 17:24#31
Wrong Moz you are now just speaking shit - made all that more pathetic by virtue of the fact that you did not even see the bloody game - get a grip man - how the fuck can you comment on a game you never saw - other than a little highlights package - bloody hell man
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2014, 17:33#32
The highlights package completely covers the incident I'm referencing Dave....I dont need to see the whole game to witness Esterhuizen missing a tackle and gifting the Poms 7 points. And by the way, I liked the looks of this kid and have posted positively about him. But we cant afford another JJ missing bog easy tackles.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2014, 18:24#34
Well just as long as you admit he missed a tackle which led to a try, I have no further comment...I never saw any oftheir other games. He will be judged in the S15 if he makes it.
24 Jun 2014, 18:34#35
"As for JJ well he has the best defensive stats of all S15 centres this year -"
Correct. How could we have been so stupid about his defence in tests last year, when we clearly knew that his defence in S15 this year would be better?
25 Jun 2014, 03:33#36
No, Ceradyne, this was one missed tackle by the player and, as was pointed out, many other players had ample opportunity to halt the attack and prevent the Try being scored. It need to not have happened full stop. Yes, he missed his, but it need not have been critical. This was one tackle missed by a player that seems to have great potential and was seemingly a blip.
With regards Morne Steyn, we all know he is a very poor tackler. To claim otherwise would be untrue. It is not a blip when he misses a tackle, so it is a comparison that would not really stand up, would it ? Stade have hardly played him all year, he has been poor when he has played for them and, in the matches against Wasps, he was pretty dire. You must have heard the commentary ? Much discussion about how poor his play was and about the fact that he is a one dimensional player anyway !
So, whilst there are myriad reasons a player can miss a tackle, not going to list them all now as I am too tired , in this instance your comment for comparison isn't really a wise one, is it ?
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Jun 2014, 04:20#37
I assume Becs as a key player he wasn't subbed?
25 Jun 2014, 12:15#39
"With regards Morne Steyn, we some of us think all know he is a very poor tackler."
There you go becs. Fixed that for you. In any case, because he is alledgedly "a poor tackler" means that he has to carry the blame for that try but because "we think that Esterhuizen is a good tackler" he is totally innocent?
The crux is that this argument, like many others, is based on personal opinion and importantly personal bias. That was what I was getting at when I posted the comparison of the two situations. And, inters tingly, one of the two persons most guilty of this practice was also one of the first to respond in his typical boorish manner.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Jun 2014, 13:30#40
Esterhuizen looks like a fine young player coming up and that is obvious enough. Thankfully Jake will not turn the 106 kg youngster into a flank or hooker!
That try by Esterhizen where he ran through 2 baby blacks on the blindside was classic!!!
For a flyhalf I think Morne defends reasonably well. The thing really is should a flyhalf be expected go and regualrly bring down 120kg props etc. The forwards must do that. Remember how Northern Transvall used to very wisely wrap Naas up in cotton wool. Nass, when he had to, put in some brilliant tackles. However as Berman van Zyl once said if Naas had to get heavily envolved in tackling forward monsters how long would he last. Morne is a competent international flyhalf lacking only a bit of attacking flair.
Pollard looks to be a complete package and future great.
