Esterhuizen

Damian hunches into contact, falls into it. I notice that there are guys assigned to the weaker splingblockheads to drive them forward. Actually that happens a lot. Not a lot of your carriers carry well without it. Ester gets forward on his own. It doesn't matter in the end because you fucks don't play running rugby. Gelant is the brain but things need to be done differently for the attack to work. 

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Esterhuizen was the heartbeat of the Shark's backline, and now he is the same for Harlequins. 
Somehow he has not carried that form over to test level.

Barkshok, the splingblockheads can't play running rugby. Ester when surrounded by class talent will deliver. So we know he can do it in isolation from dopey yarpies but not with dopey yarpies.

Esterhuizen was rather disappointing showing exactly the same deficiencies he showed in 2018 and 2019.

Mike, whats up with you... you post logical shit on the politics but you seem to go senile here. I swear to god youre cut and pasting the same shit over and over again. 

Ester was one of the few real strong men in the team. Fucking belted the gainline. Solid defender. But the structures were very limited. I understand why Erasmus is so cautious, but give Ester some real attacking plays instead of the braindead fucktard Damian. 

Esterhozen offloads making the players around him more effective….Dud doesn’t. In terms of metres in contact they are probably similar, but neither is explosive like Kerevi.

Dud, however, is unique in his penchant for taking the wrong option at critical times ….a pure process player.

Andre must be the most frustrated sportsman that exists. His development was initially slow, a big centre with penetration as a youngster that had weaknesses in ball control, a bit of a  boofy centre. . There have been effective rugby players like him in the past, ie Gerrie Germishuis at Springbok wing way back. But Andre went to Japan where he played with small men that had handling skills next to none. He improved his handling skills and came back to SA and played with the Sharks and was effective but when given the big call did not really turn up. When he started playing in Northern Hemisphere he gradually came to his own.

He dropped a difficult pass on Saturday so his critics attacked him.

In a settled side of experienced players he will find his mojo..I think he would be more effective than Damian...he is very strong man that's developed a very penetrating quality and still has enough time to go further.

Ester never gets front foot ball and never gets to lead the attack. That's difference. Esster gets the ball behind the gainline and with no support runners. It's really lateral shit. Gelant had the same shit all around him. All lateral movement far away from the gainline. I dont' really understand why the coach doesn't give Ester a real go. Damian is a fucking mushroom head. 

If ever there was a mushroom headed human, it is Esterhuizen.   He made stupid decisions and then lose ball possession.    He is a slow backline player whose decision-making is slow as well.   

Esterhuizen is not up to international standard and  proved it in 2018 and 2019.  Yesterday he was no better than he was in those two years. .      

Get the Allende cock out your mouth Mike. 

Sorry = O stick to rugby analysis - nothing else.   

Wtf is that mess supposed to mean??

Esterhozen 10 tackles none missed… 6 runs for 9 metres.

Dud Allende 1 tackle none missed….7 runs for 11metres .

But Clever sees Esterhozen as having an awful game and Dud as brilliant. The definition of blind bias.

You got to take into account their possession. Ester is really deep and swarmed. Duh gets front foot ball and cant do fuck all with it. Fuck we ran that dope ragged so bad he didn't know who the fuck he was supposed to be marking. Killed his slow crash balls too. You may lose a couple of metres a time but you fuck up the ruck speed and reload for the next phase and it becomes child play. 

Saffex, I never said Esterhuizen is useless at test level. I see him as the 2nd best choice to Delande. 

What I am saying is that if he carried his form for the Sharks and Harlequins to test level, he would be the first choice.

He was more of a playmaker with a better distribution game for the Sharks, than at test level. 

Playing DA is like starting with a red card.

Dave

My problem is different inasmuch as I am looking for improvement in all aspects  of the game on the part of players like Esterhuizen and I do not see that improvement in Esterhuizen.   I want to go back to 2014 when SA was playing England in the final of the Under 20 WC when Esterhuizen had a clear open tryline in front of him  and knocked on the ball passed to him.  As a result of that kbnock-on the SA Under 20's lost the match.    Since then knock-ons is a feature of Esterhuizen - especially on test level -  is persistent.    The knock-on on Saturday is just  another example of what happened in 2018 and 2019 tests on a number of occasions. 

The other issue I have with Esterhuizen is his tendency to lose possession after carrying balls.  In the Wales test in 2018 he made two carries breaking tackles - but when tackled he was in fact in an isolated position where  the opposition got the balls or even penalties,    It happened subsequently in  a number of tests where he isolated himself and the results are possession losses or penalties,    A typical example is the English test in 2018 where he ran at an angle none of he players anticipated and nobody followed up to protect ball possession.   The same happened in the test yesterday.

The second test against Wales indicated to me that he is not able to step up from club/franchise level to test level.                 

Some of his effective, if not outstanding play.

https://youtu.be/SBLaZvV4dTw

Esterhuizen showed glimpses of his offload game and gains forward momentum on his own...DDA also looses possession or kicks it away, he is more settled under the R&N crap show Gameplan that is all...so judging Ester according to 2018 and the 1 game his played now, after how many years, is not reasonable.....just give the man more game time with a better 13 than Kriel, and he will establish himself Quickly.

I do believe that it was Pollard - the captain on Saturday - who said that De Allende is the best Center he  ever played with  giving the wise men on site a real opportunity to continue woith their drivel.    They forgot that Pollard played inside De Villiers and Esterhuizen a couple of ties and what he said was ridiculed by the idiots on site.   All the drivel about De Alende is endless by the same people starting off with Mozart - who use selective stats to discredit players he took a dislike to and come up with false descriptions to describe what happened in matches.   Take for instance the constant attacks on Du Toit on Saturday - he was the only player he criticized endlessly.

The fact is that Esterhuizen repeated all the mistakes he made as far back as 2014 and was anytime as bad as he was in 2018 and 2019.   I mentioned a few examples of where he failed in those years and tried to look at whether he improved on what he did in games in 2018 and 2019 and found the same deficiencies.     If  he was as good as some of the writers on this site claims he is - how come he did not score a single try in the 9 tests he played thus far and how come he did not create a try-scoring opportunity by any other player?    He had a couple of opportuni ties to score tries but buggered them up.

In any event there were sound reasons for him not being in the 2019 WC squad - and whether you like it or not  De  Allende made a very good contribution in the whole series and many players and commentators spoke about his contribution while the crackpots on site discredited him.    Mozart went as far as lying about the non-contribution of De Allende in one particular incident he called a try-scoring opportunity that started off at the 10 meter line in the  English half and ended before it reached the 22 meter line where De Allende was the player preventing an ball turnover. by the English.  In that instance Mozart claimed Le Roux carried the ball for 20 meters while ESPN stats credited him with 8 meter in total carrying the ball/

So on this site we have case where prejudice  reigns supreme  and the shit is splashed out to be factual.         

I do believe that it was Pollard - the captain on Saturday - who said that De Allende is the best Center he  ever played with  giving the wise men on site a real opportunity to continue woith their drivel.    They forgot that Pollard played inside De Villiers and Esterhuizen a couple of ties and what he said was ridiculed by the idiots on site.   All the drivel about De Alende is endless by the same people starting off with Mozart - who use selective stats to discredit players he took a dislike to and come up with false descriptions to describe what happened in matches.   Take for instance the constant attacks on Du Toit on Saturday - he was the only player he criticized endlessly.

The fact is that Esterhuizen repeated all the mistakes he made as far back as 2014 and wass anytime as bad as he was in 2018 and 2019.   I mentioned a few examples of where he failed in tioose years and tried to look at whether he improved on what he did in games in 2018 and 2019 and found the same deficiencies.     If  he was as good as some of the writers on this site claims he is - ow come he did not score a single try in the 9 tests he played thus far and how come he did not create a try-scoring opportunity by any other player?    He hasd a couple of opportunties to score tries but buggered them up.

In any event there were sound reasons for him not being in the 2019 WC squad - and whether you like it or not  De  Allende made a very good contribution in the whole series and many players and commentators spoke about his contribution while the crackpots on site discredited him.    Mozart went as far as lying about the non-contribution of De Allende in one particular incident he called a try-scoring opportunity that started off at the 10 meter line in the  English half and ended before it reached the 22 meter line where De Allende was the player preventing an ball turnover. by the English.  In that instance Mozart claimed Le Roux carried the ball for 20 meters while ESPN stats credited him with 8 meter in total carrying the ball/

So on this site we have case where prejudice  reigns supreme  and the shit is splashed out to be factual.         

Dave

Sorry to disagree - I have always looked at player development over years especially in the case of test players.  The deficiencies Esterhuizen had in 2014 are the same he had in 2018 and 2019 and was the same he had on Saturday.

In other words he has not developed from his under 20 final to the situation at present.   I would have expected  from Esterhuizen to overcome those problems  on international level and he did not.

Esterhuizen is physically a very strong player - but at the same time his pace as  a backline player is sub-standard and his ball skills remain deficient.    You may not see that since you watch him play club rugby regularly and in the slow fields of England pace may not be all that important - on the faster SH fields it is.    He is very strong and carried balls effectively - but what happened once he is tackled is also important,   Because of his pace and sometimes his running lines the opposition loosies are on the spot where he is tackled - and that routinely cause turnover problems or penalties.

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Mike, in case you missed this clip, where do you find any deficiencies you speak about on Esterhuizen.

That offload to Tyrone Green is a classic.

https://youtu.be/SBLaZvV4dTw

Ja, Esterhuizen got a raw deal and now broke his hand which means he would be out for 4 weeks.

The whole planning and player introduction stinks.

For the first 2 tests against Wales 

I would have kept the right 5.

Play a backrow combo of Coetzee, Roos and Louw on the bench.

Faf and Pollard the 9 and 10 axis with Esterhuizen and Kriel the centers.

With Gelant, Mpimpi and Kolbe as he back 3.

Willemse and some of the others on the bench to come on. But at least we would be winning while creating competition 

I know Esterhizen  apparently does well on club rugby level - but it is the step up to play on test level where he does not produce anything much.     I refer to his performances on higher level that are problematic and there is zero proof that he deseres selection ahead of the much better performer De Allende.