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Evolve of Die!

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Aug 2013, 10:12
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12 Aug 2013, 10:12#1

 As we have been talking about the Boks tactics and you have been debating sticking with traditional SA rugby culture in designing your tactics and picking your players this article should be of interest. The ABs have a core culture but always evolve what they are doing. The changes lately center around speed, getting the ball from the pack and out to the backs as fast as possible. How do you think the selected Bok team will do against this approach?

Evolve or die - AllBlacks ready fornext stage ofdevelopment

JAMES MORTIMER    12.AUG.2013GETTY IMAGES

One of the most ominous statements from All Blacks coach Steve Hansen last year was that if the World Champions focused on themselves and played the game they wanted to play, the team felt that no-one could stay with them and match them when operating at fifth gear.

   

Ireland found this out in Hamilton, the Springboks, Pumas and Wallabies all discovered this throughout various stages of The Investec Rugby Championship, while the tone continued in Edinburgh, Rome and Cardiff.

While studying the opposition and being wary of what tactics might be thrown at them through the season, the All Blacks continued a pattern that has been a constant in recent years, corresponding with their position at the top of the world’s rugby standings – let us not so much worry about the chasing pack, but ensure that we continue to strive to develop and evolve.

Sir Graham Henry used to suggest that each season the All Blacks would need to find approximately 10-15% improvement in them to remain at the summit, and head coach Steve Hansen took this concept and moulded it into his own, deciding he would add a decisive element to the World Champions arsenal.

Speed.

As a consequence, the All Blacks, still honouring many of the systems that had been in place for years, were able to evolve their game, leading to the emergence and rise of Aaron Smith, with a pass that broke modern convention.

Gone was the patient surveying of the situation from the back of the ruck, absent was the almost now standard ‘one, two’ step that many halfbacks had introduced to their play before passing the ball, a stutter step that was designed to give a little bit of precious distance to a number nine before the inevitable rush of opposition pillars from the ruck.

With this the All Blacks forwards altered their game, not so much looking to create chaos at the ruck as much as form a crescent of protection around the likes of Smith to allow the phases to quickly mount up and the pace of the contest to increase to a tempo where the World Champions backed themselves to run anyone off their feet.

Such evolution is now part and parcel of rugby, and the sides that have introduced certain tactics - think the Springboks suffocation tactics of 2009, the Reds dynamism of 2011 and of late the Chiefs ability to defend and then attack of scraps – are more often than not the ones that have become the leaders of the pack.

What to expect this year as the All Blacks strive to remain number one?

It is anyone’s guess, but on early showings the brilliant kicking game that was on display in Christchurch during the second Test of the Steinlager Series could be a pointer.

As the All Blacks look to grow – their great rivals, one with a new coach and another bringing in nearly a dozen overseas based players to bolster his squad, will no doubt look to add a few strings of their own to their tactical bows. 

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
12 Aug 2013, 10:40
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12 Aug 2013, 10:40#2

 I was watching Total Rugbies analyses of the ABS gameplay [mostly the set plays] ,quite good but already out of date ,people seem to think their teams are evolving/improving in a vacuum !

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Aug 2013, 10:40
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12 Aug 2013, 10:40#3

 Sorry for the typo in the title of this topic. It should have said evolve or die. Anyway, as all teams in the RC/4Nats are thinking about tactics and player selection is seemed relevant. Cheers.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Aug 2013, 11:10
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12 Aug 2013, 11:10#4

I did notice your "typo", Just_whine, and - given that "of" means "or" in Afrikaans - I immediately assumed that you're a South African Afrikaans speaker who is pretending to be a New Zealander.

 

So, am I right or is it just a massive coincidence that you used the Afrikaans word instead of the English one?

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Aug 2013, 11:21
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12 Aug 2013, 11:21#5

 rooitwit you do realise the F and R are very close on the keyboard!!! Not everyone is like you - an ab wannabee.

Otherwise how are you doing rooitwit? I note the Griquas kicked your sorry butts.  Bwahahhahahahahahaha

Anyhow always nice to have you back for some light entertainment! 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
12 Aug 2013, 11:26
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12 Aug 2013, 11:26#6

 

Wow ..... glad to see you've actually taken note of that, Beeno!!!

 

I mean you tend to throw whatever letter is closest into your words ... regularly ... so I kinda thought it wasn't really a priority of yours to know where the various keys were.

 

I'm impressed.

 

 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Aug 2013, 11:34
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12 Aug 2013, 11:34#7

 CC you wont have noticed but my "errors" are actually a code I am using for subliminal brain washing. Cant reveal more of this ground breaking technology. The kiwis are very susceptible to it as they are the most feeble minded!   

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Aug 2013, 12:38
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12 Aug 2013, 12:38#8

Baboon-ou, my question was directed at Just_whine, not at you.

 

If for some very strange reason I ever want the opinion of a drooling half-wit attention-seeker with the cranial capacity of a walnut then I will be sure to address my questions to you, but until then, just keep you stupid trap shut and speak when you're spoken to. Please note that I mean that in the nicest possible way.

 

Anyway, to answer your question, I'm fine, thank you. I missed all the CC games this weekend because I was staying on a farm out in the Eastern Free State which had no TV, but I can tell you that when I saw the Sharks result I was very glad I missed the game.

 

I noticed your overrated posers came within a missed conversion of losing to a Bulls C team and also couldn't win at home so it doesn't sound as if you have much to brag about either . . . not that that's ever stopped any of you Blowhards from boasting and gloating about your hopeless bunch of pansies on the rare occasion they win or else having a circle-jerk when other teams lose.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Aug 2013, 12:43
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12 Aug 2013, 12:43#9

 No I'm a kiwi & as such I haven't had anything to "whine" about for years now as we beat the crap out of the other nations rugby team :)

As far as i can tell most of the whining comes from a few of the Bok supporters on this site, ie benno1: here are a few quotes;

"our coach is crap , our players are crap, we select the wrong players, the refs are cheats (always make sure AB. Win) richie is a cheat ...." The list goes on & on .

But fortunately most SA posters on this site have stronger characters & know how to support there team constructively. The rest are on here for comic relief as far as I can tell. God bless them, we need them. :)

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
12 Aug 2013, 14:43
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12 Aug 2013, 14:43#10

Bloody easy to counter them. Do not commit players to the ruck. If its a tackle there is no offside lines thus when they get the ball as fast as possible to the back you are in their faces and between the lines for a intercept.

 

AB are doing so well cause they make sure they do the simple thing correctly first. That is the  basics. And if they stray they have a banker play to go back to to get things organized again. When they struggled in their set plays they struggle like any team. But they make sure they have that in order before they start anything flashy. 

 

@Rooinek

 

At least we did not get fucking beaten by Griquas who are the Freestate C team.

 

Unlike SA who go into games with a props who can't fucking scrum to save their lives

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
12 Aug 2013, 16:28
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12 Aug 2013, 16:28#11

 So speed at the breakdown means something different for the FRoglets ? Is it like a half-time sticking things in le noses kinda thing ?

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 Aug 2013, 16:58
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12 Aug 2013, 16:58#12

"Speed.

As a consequence, the All Blacks, still honouring many of the systems that had been in place for years, were able to evolve their game, leading to the emergence and rise of Aaron Smith, with a pass that broke modern convention.

Gone was the patient surveying of the situation from the back of the ruck, absent was the almost now standard ‘one, two’ step that many halfbacks had introduced to their play before passing the ball, a stutter step that was designed to give a little bit of precious distance to a number nine before the inevitable rush of opposition pillars from the ruck."


i could not agree more with this part of the game, funny thing is it was a former Bok halfback cant remember the name who lives in NZ that helped aaron smiths passing game reach the heights that it has at the moment.
barlow and perenara are both outstanding halfbacks and deserve to be incumbents in their own right, but im of the strong strong opinon that aaron smith is THE incumbent period.

All Blacks play a brand of rugby that no one can match, they are still human and can still lose as eng and OZ showed us last year, but all in all we should crush kill and destroy all who come before us.

IMO All Blacks fitness and basic fundamentals is better then any other teams. our governing body the NZRU also ensure that all rugby roads lead to the All Blacks, thats why we caa focus on the more important things like evolving our game etc.
for years we have treated the breakdown as an area of great urgency and while its still and improtant factor, the speed to lock and load our gun backs as the article mentioned is the new frontier and the All Blacks are again paving the way.

GO ALL BLACKS!!!

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
12 Aug 2013, 18:06
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12 Aug 2013, 18:06#13

England match it last year. And they did it with only 1 Samoan not 6

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 Aug 2013, 20:43
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12 Aug 2013, 20:43#14

@spoony,

All Blacks dont have any samoans in their team, they have NZ born players whose descendants are samoans and which for the record there were only 4 of not 6 playing against england.
as oppose to manusamoa tuilagi who was born in samoa but was pretty much raised an englishman.

nonu - born in wellington
vito - born in wellington
faumuina - born in auckland
savea - born in wellington

and i wouldnt say that eng matched the All Blacks, i would say they ouright beat them there, its why i cant wait for the EOYT revenge match.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
13 Aug 2013, 08:34
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13 Aug 2013, 08:34#15

Sasuke. Samoan like the heritage not the nasionality you knob! 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
13 Aug 2013, 09:51
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13 Aug 2013, 09:51#16

@spoony,

then maybe u should have said so orignally, especially in light of the current attitude here of the saffas and one saffa wannabe regarding All Blacks and players descended from samoans and other PI islands.
IMO it was ur intent to be ambigously imply that anyway in a for lack of a better term 'a soft troll', as u have strongly advocated that view in the past.

RU
RugganutClub Pro183 posts
13 Aug 2013, 12:54
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13 Aug 2013, 12:54#17

How many AB's have gone on to play for Samoa when they have been discarded ? How many Samoans have gone on to play for the AB's ?

 

Spoony, support you all the way here. It is also nice that we no longer choose a side along racial lines. Only in NZ does that happen. I suppose if you only have one thing in your country, Rugby, you have to cheat at all cost to keep the public happy. Very sad little island. Adidas has an agreement with the IRB. If NZ cannot win on the field make sure the ref is on their side and blow in favor of Adidas.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
13 Aug 2013, 16:59
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13 Aug 2013, 16:59#18

haha Sasuke got ya. You presumed rather than to make sure what I meant by asking

Use Kiwi's are so easy.

 

I called NZ a tiny Island in another forum and got told I should crawl back under a hole...... and got a week ban

 

Kiwi supporters are almost as bad as Bulls supporters 

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