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Ex Bok props pipe up

Started by Beeno14 REPLIES230 VIEWS· 25 Aug 2014, 14:48
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2014, 14:48
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25 Aug 2014, 14:48#1

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Cape Town - Several retired Springbok front-rankers took to Twitter over the weekend to offer their varied takes on the national team’s scrummaging humiliation at the hands of Argentina in Salta.

As it happened: Argentina v SA

The Boks summoned last-ditch reserves of energy and grit to squeeze past the Pumas 33-31 in a Castle Rugby Championship nail-biter, although the violent way they back-pedalled in the scrums at times will be a lasting, unpleasant memory for the players and their fans alike.

One of the earliest post-isolation tighthead props, Keith Andrews (@KeithKandrews), who has been visiting Argentina, said in a salvo of tweets:“Bok forwards need to eat more ‘carne’ and less carrots! Oh dear, our scrums ... shocking Bok scrumming.  Where is the guts and will to compete and adapt?” 

Former Sharks and Bok loosehead Ollie le Roux (@OllieLeRoux) was less than impressed with the team’s starting No 1 on Saturday, Gurthro Steenkamp, who was substituted in the 45th minute: Gurthro is massive weakness in scrum.”

He added in another tweet, following another devastating Pumas heave: “And THAT people is called the Bajada! A thing of beauty! Pity Boks are on the receiving end ...”

World Cup 2007-winning captain and tighthead or hooker John Smit (@JohnSmit123) had some sympathy for the Boks’ plight, suggesting the Argentineans were testing the boundaries of legality:“I feel for our Bok tightheads, (Marcos) Ayerza with a short bind pulling them into the tunnel to create his angle.”(Seems Steve Walsh was out of his depth? - I just knew there was something going on!)

Meanwhile former Bok and WP/Stormers No 3 Cobus Visagie (@Drieman3) made a novel suggestion about how the Boks might enhance their options at tighthead - perhaps having noticed reserve Frans Malherbe hobble off late with an ankle injury that will reportedly rule him out of the remainder of the tournament.

Visagie said: “Without trying to be controversial, Brian Mujati is the best option. Played for the Boks before and has scrummed against the best.”

The 29-year-old Mujati earned 12 caps for the Springboks but his last was against England at Twickenham in late 2008.

Once of Northampton Saints but now based at Racing Metro, Mujati was later declared ineligible for South Africa as he was deemed not legally a SA citizen, so that option may still not be open to Bok coach Heyneke Meyer.


Pity John let the cat out of the bag. This will only strengthen the kiwis hands when they brief their refs!

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WardadPro6,663 posts
25 Aug 2014, 14:55
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25 Aug 2014, 14:55#2
 Boks that cant scrum ? What are you boys eating indeed .To much estroegen in yer v eges ?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2014, 14:57
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25 Aug 2014, 14:57#3
 Mallets view:Cape Town - Former Springbok coach Nick Mallett says Boks' the scrum performance against Argentina at the weekend was a bit embarrassing.

As it happened: Argentina v SA

The Boks sneaked a 33-31 win but was completely overpowered in the scrums, with Jannie du Plessis and Gurthro Steenkamp having a nightmare Test.

Mallett was speaking in the SuperSport studio after the game and had the following to say:

"There were lots and lots of issues that we need to talk about. The Boks have got real problems with their front row's scrummaging, particularly against the Argentines. They still haven't really settled on a combination with their halfbacks. They started with (Ruan) Pienaar and (Handre) Pollard and swopped it around in the second half. Neither really worked that well. They had real defensive problems out wide and the Argentines managed to score two tries by spreading it wide. They will walk away knowing that they were very lucky to win that game today. (backline coach is a vodacom quoata oak), why is Nieaber not the defence coach - best in the world by far)

"For their game plan to succeed, they have to have good set pieces. If their one-off runners don't get momentum from the set piece, then they don't get across the advantage line.

"I don't know how many penalties they gave away in scrum situations today, but I know psychologically when a South African pack gets dominated in the scrum as they were today, there's very little testosterone that gets distributed to the other parts of their game. The guys looked a bit shell-shocked. The whole front row were getting humiliated. It became a bit embarrassing, and suddenly the big ball-carriers weren't looking good.(NOTE ITS THE FRONT ROW AND NOT THE LOCKS GETTING CASTIGATED)

"In South Africa we have this idea of picking loosehead props as ball-carriers, but they've got to be scrummagers first and foremost. Gurthro (Steenkamp) hasn't been first-choice (prop) at Toulouse and here he was really shown up (MUSIC TO OU MAAAIKIES EARS). Jannie (du Plessis) also had a hell of an afternoon. I haven't seen a Springbok scrum go back like that in years." (BUT JOHN SMITH THINKS THERE WAS ILLEGAL SCRUMMING)

Mallett did praise skipper Jean de Villiers though for making a brave decision in the second half.

"I thought Jean (de Villiers's) decision to go for the corner was a brave one, and a good one. Obviously they ended up scoring from the driving lineout. That was one area of the game where they started to get better as the game progressed. Their lineout was quite consistent.

"For 60 minutes I thought that the Argentine side played with huge enthusiasm on defence. They really got off the line quickly and smashed the Springboks. They tackled them low and stopped any momentum for their ball-carriers. The Boks don't have a backline that can conjure up tries like either the Australians or the New Zealanders. Once they get countered in their set pieces and with their physical runners, they needed to find a way to get Willie (le Roux) into the game to create opportunities for their try-scorers."

The Springboks' next clash is against Australia in Perth on September 6


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Aug 2014, 15:04
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25 Aug 2014, 15:04#4
When props pop up in scrums it means two things -
*   they cannot stand the pressure from the opposing scrummagers; and 
*    they are between two immovable objects - pressure from their locks cause them to pop up.   
Popping up in scrums is an abomination and it happened so frequently the past two weeks - it is unbelievable.   However, what is even worse is a scum in full retreat - that means the props provide no response whatsoever and even the locks cannot hekp them. 
The guy who writes the above - must have his head read.   We have enough foreign club failures in the squad - we do not need more of the same.  Mujati is no  present  proven performer - maybne at club level - but nowhere can it be said that he would be better than players like Dreyer and Marcell van der  Merwe.  He may eb on par with Adriaanse and Ciiliers - but that is a big maybe and a bigger gamble.  
  

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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
25 Aug 2014, 16:50
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25 Aug 2014, 16:50#5
 shows how much the experts know mujati was a fatal weakness in his tests against the best. worst 3 i have ever seen for the bok made andrews look like a monster tighthead. a bit disappointed a guy like cobus would say something so retarded.
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