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Final verdict on the Currie Cup

Started by Mozart29 REPLIES849 VIEWS· 29 Oct 2018, 18:41
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Oct 2018, 18:41
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29 Oct 2018, 18:41#1
I was berated when I suggested the CC wasn't a good measuring stick....here we have one writer's take on events: ..... 5. Poor advertisement for SA Rugby Saturday’s attendance was a meagre 27 600. A half-empty Newlands would have been unthinkable for a Currie Cup final a few years ago. The Currie Cup has become watered down and more needs to be done to get the Springboks involved in the event. The quality of rugby dished up in the final was also not a good advertisement for South African rugby. As mentioned, WP had gone into their shells after dazzling during the round-robin stages, while the Sharks merely ground out a deserved victory. It was not easy on the eye - the Durbanites made several inexcusable handling errors and gave away countless penalties. There seems to be an understanding in South African rugby that attractive rugby should go out the back door in finals. The final at Newlands was a stark contrast to New Zealand’s Mitre 10 Cup final where Auckland defeated Canterbury 40-33 after extra-time. Both teams were not afraid to have a go and dished up a thoroughly enjoyable final, played in atrocious rainy conditions.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
29 Oct 2018, 19:14
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29 Oct 2018, 19:14#2

I think we need to make a distinction here. A more adventurous attacking game by the South African sides would not be the same as their New Zealand counterparts. The game is approached much differently in New Zealand. The Mitre 10 is more useful for them than the Currie Cup is to us as a stepping stone to Super Rugby. 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
29 Oct 2018, 19:24
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29 Oct 2018, 19:24#3
I agree that the cc has been extremely poor for a couple of years, but that is because our franchises are pretty much our cc teams. Not to mention our fringe players deciding to ditch the Currie cup and go north. This trend is starting to pick up. But back in 2007 we had an amazing Currie cup, even though 30 of our best players were out doing duty. The finals were packed and people actually went to the league games. I blame 2 things. Expanded super rugby conference nonsense and not paying our best players decent wages. I could mention a few other things too, but this my biggest bug bear.
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sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
29 Oct 2018, 19:47
#4
29 Oct 2018, 19:47#4


This was a good Curry Cup final.



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Oct 2018, 20:41
#5
29 Oct 2018, 20:41#5

I was there in 97, had a drink with Gary Pagel and Dirk Hanekom in the Players Pub ahead of the match. They just returned from injuries and played much earlier for one of the lower tier teams.

Free State very nearly won that match. 

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
29 Oct 2018, 20:52
#6
29 Oct 2018, 20:52#6
Wehe . . . only a rugby noob would base his opinion of the entire season on the final alone.
My advice, if you're not enjoying the Currie Cup , find another sport to watch . . . except in Moffie's case, we're running out of sports he knows anything about. Maybe rhythmic gymnastics or ping pong?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Oct 2018, 21:30
#7
29 Oct 2018, 21:30#7
The 'Currie Cuo' is that some kind of Indian dish? Personally I prefer the milder types of Cuo, and honestly it's best on the second day.....hahahaha!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Oct 2018, 22:39
#8
29 Oct 2018, 22:39#8

if you're not enjoying the Currie Cuo

Crash goes the spell check fiend rooitwitterBUG.  Hahahahahahahahaha it was inevitable!

Cant comment as i have no t as yet watched the final which i taped. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Oct 2018, 22:45
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29 Oct 2018, 22:45#9
Star-tung is burning.....the currie cuo was too hot!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Oct 2018, 22:48
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29 Oct 2018, 22:48#10

Face facts rooitwit specializes in shooting himself in both hooves!

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Oct 2018, 23:31
#11
29 Oct 2018, 23:31#11
Beeno, please note a donkey has four hooves
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Oct 2018, 02:06
#12
30 Oct 2018, 02:06#12

Beenz, a Donkey is a noble steed.

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
30 Oct 2018, 08:37
#13
30 Oct 2018, 08:37#13
LOL @ Draad!! 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Oct 2018, 09:20
#14
30 Oct 2018, 09:20#14

Draad a donkey is fine but a jackass is not!. Ou rooitwvtterbug is a jackass of the two legged version!


Must say one will seldom encounter a finer unintended comic than rooitwit.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
30 Oct 2018, 09:54
#15
30 Oct 2018, 09:54#15

I think we are talking about a Satyr now. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Oct 2018, 09:59
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30 Oct 2018, 09:59#16
So hang on, just so we're clear . . . are you little chaps claiming you've won this argument because I typed "cuo" instead of "cup"?
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
30 Oct 2018, 11:17
#17
30 Oct 2018, 11:17#17
On the actual topic. I think the Currie Cup is slowly dying and the reason is pretty simple. There is too much other rugby of a higher standard with better players to watch. The Currie Cup is nothing more than a first division tournament with first division players. Only in the knockout rounds of the competition do the top players in the country participate, and even that is unfair, because those teams earned their positions on the log without those top flight players, only for the guys who put in the hard yards throughout the season to be overlooked at the glory end of the tournament. It is a fatally flawed tournament, that is nothing more than a minor part of a massive season. If you look at the crowd support for the "biggest" unions in the country in the knockout games, it is clear that I am not the only one that no longer takes the Currie Cup seriously.   
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Oct 2018, 11:29
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30 Oct 2018, 11:29#18
bluebok, whatever you or anyone says, the Currie Cup remains our premier domestic rugby competition.
Are you and the other Currie Cup bashers suggesting we do away with our domestic competition completely and rather focus on Super Rugby? Would you prefer the CC to be replaced by the Super Rugby conference?
Personally I think Super Rugby has become boring since they completely screwed up the format with these conferences and people can argue back and forth about the quality of the rugby, but whether the quality of players is better or worse, I enjoyed watching a lot of exciting Currie Cup games this year more than I enjoyed watching the majority of Super Rugby games.
I do agree that maybe the Currie Cup should use smaller stadiums and I like the idea that the Lions had a few season ago where they play their Currie Cup games at various club venues (like Pirates, UJ, Roodepoort etc.) but I wouldn't consider scrapping the Currie Cup. We still need some kind of bridge between school/club rugby and test rugby . . . unless you think going from school or club straight into international competitions like Super Rugby or test rugby is a good idea?
As for the supposed low quality of the Currie Cup, well, it makes no claims to being test quality and if watching the top end of rugby is all that's important to you then go ahead and boycott the CC or campaign for it to be scrapped. Me, I'm the kind of person who watches club and school rugby whenever I get the chance so the Currie Cup is already of a very high quality as far as I'm concerned and I find it very enjoyable to watch.  
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
30 Oct 2018, 11:37
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30 Oct 2018, 11:37#19
Not at all Rooiter, I am just pointing out the facts. I didn't say I liked them. In my opinion Super rugby should be dropped down to 12 teams, and the season should be shortened drastically. The shortened Super Rugby tournament would then allow enough time for the Currie Cup season not to overlap with Super Rugby/The incoming tour/The Rugby Champs. It would make Super Rugby more interesting, and it would make the Currie Cup more interesting, and it would reduce the overall rugby played by our players, which is another problem all together. Even Hansen is calling for a shorter rugby season.   
Long story short, the problem with the Currie Cup, is the ridiculously long Super Rugby season. 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Oct 2018, 11:57
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30 Oct 2018, 11:57#20
Truth is, South Africa and New Zealand both had thriving domestic competitions but Australia didn't and over the years we've caved in to the Aussie agenda and accepted this bloated Super Rugby format that only suits the Aussies and messes up our own domestic competitions.
We need to either embrace this Super Rugby conference format and effectively turn our conference into our Currie Cup where we are represented by our existing CC franchises (with a promotion/relegation scenario as well as a draft system) or else we need to cut back on Super Rugby, enter fewer teams that are an amalgamation of our existing CC franchises and make sure it ends before the June internationals.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Oct 2018, 12:32
#21
30 Oct 2018, 12:32#21

Nope Rooi

We simnply need to do away with SR and play in NH competitions.

Better money, new oppositon, less player drain, keeps NH based payers in the mix for selection and will be much easier to watch form a time of day perspective.

And also...this is a big one...no competitions decided by jet lag! Players need one rest day after travel and are good to go.

Jsut generally playing against a larger mix of countries will be much nicer. Currently it's crap Oz teams and godly Kiwi teams. Hardly any games are tough to call.

From a fans perspective, for me, playing in the NH leagues ticks a lot of positive boxes.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Oct 2018, 12:39
#22
30 Oct 2018, 12:39#22
Hmmm . . . so rugby becomes a summer game? O r else we expect the NH to turn rugby into a summer game?
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Oct 2018, 12:49
#23
30 Oct 2018, 12:49#23
Just to add, Plum, I don't have any problem with the time of day of Super Rugby games. It's actually one of the big attractions . . . waking up on a Saturday morning and having wall to wall rugby games starting around 8 or 9am right through to 7pm.
Not great for Aussies and Kiwis admittedly, but for us South Africans it's pretty close to perfect.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Oct 2018, 12:54
#24
30 Oct 2018, 12:54#24

Yeah, it's odd.

But if that's the only downside then i'll take it. The season now ends in Novemeber and kicks off again in Feb...so it's not such a huge adjustment anyway.

Temperatures, now that i think of it...going from one weekend in frosty Europe to a highveld summer game, will probably replace jet lag as being a concerning external factor that might influence games.

I'm not adverse to seeing a three minute water break halfway through each half either.

Still, not difficult to beat travelling halfway laterally around the world for a game.

Any other cons you can think of?

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Oct 2018, 12:55
#25
30 Oct 2018, 12:55#25

"Just to add, Plum, I don't have any problem with the time of day of Super Rugby games. It's actually one of the big attractions . . . waking up on a Saturday morning and having wall to wall rugby games starting around 8 or 9am right through to 7pm.


Not great for Aussies and Kiwis admittedly, but for us South Africans it's pretty close to perfect."
I'm still young enough for 10am to be an early call on a Saturday
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
30 Oct 2018, 13:07
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30 Oct 2018, 13:07#26
You can't deny that it's better to watch games throughout the day rather than flicking through games all being played at the same time.
Your "time of day" pro is actually a big con for me.
Yes, I do have some other cons but the summer/winter thing is the biggie for me. It's a fundamental flaw in your proposal and I can't really get past it.
I also think your jet-lag issue is blown out of proportion. I've flown south to north and south again  as well as west to east and west return and they're equally tiring. I know east-west you lose or gain more hours but you should be able to adjust your sleep patterns beforehand.
Finally, as a self-respecting South African rugby supporter, as much as I like to beat English, French and Irish teams, it's the Kiwi teams I want to beat more than anyone else. No getting away from that.  
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Oct 2018, 13:39
#27
30 Oct 2018, 13:39#27

Fair points.

There's also the DSTV vs Sky aspect of this.

Right now, rugby is keeping DSTV going.

Not sure if you know, but for one season of an origianl series, DSTV or Mnet spend in the region of R350 to R550 million. That's for one series of some shitty show.

What they spend on rugby for what they get in return is a cash cow if ever there was one. Both in revenue and in minutes/hours of entertainment it's a winner all the way.

If SA teams startd playing abroad, maybe Sky would straight up offer SARU a better deal, and DSTV would fold over night. Just a guess.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2018, 14:49
#28
30 Oct 2018, 14:49#28
Nonetheless the Cuo Cup remains a poor tournament, struggling for relevancy. The obvious answer for Super rugby has already been discovered by the NFL....Monday night football. In the case of Super rugby......regular Friday night rugby would be a great start.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Oct 2018, 17:53
#29
30 Oct 2018, 17:53#29

are you little chaps claiming you've won this argument because I typed "cuo" instead of "cup"?

Yes rooitwi t of course i have won the argument because i warned you many times that your spell check fiend activities would come back to bite you when you made a mistake and they did. Bwahahahahahahahahhaahha - its like taking candy from a baby!

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Oct 2018, 17:58
#30
30 Oct 2018, 17:58#30

Finally, as a self-respecting South African rugby supporter, as much as I like to beat English, French and Irish teams, it's the Kiwi teams I want to beat more than anyone else. No getting away from that. 

Somebody has hacked rooitwi ts account!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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