Fire Coetzee or remove the Bok Emblem

This is a useless team we have now. I don't see any form of a game plan. Yes it is a good All black team- but this is not a Springbok team

 Fire Coetzee is a must. But drop quotas and strive for excellence. I like the Lions coaching team. They have done superbly.

No matter who u place in the managers position with the present government policy u are not going to get winning results.
Time to just admit that the All Blacks are streaks ahead of the Goats and they are out played by them each and every time they meet. 
The All Blacks are in a class of their own even without Carter kicking them to victory.
The Goats simply do not have a game plan and even if they did they are unable to follow the plan with giving away the ball each and every time practically.
Time to switch to another sport or stay tuned for more pain.
Winning is not an option for the ANC.

 Congratulations to the AB's, you can only play what's in front of you. What was in front of you ended up exactly as expected and reserved... Road kill. Please save the little heritage that the Bok still lay claim to... Remove the name and emblem from this embarrassment of a side.

Quotas are a negative, but without wings, centres or loose forwards we could choose a Snow White team and still be hammered. Coetzee is hopeless, but his resources are the worst I have ever seen in the Bok nursery.

Coetzee is useless. But it is true that the talent pool is average at best when compared to the last ten years. The quota factor just makes it worse. No coach limited talent and no combinations.

 Big score, the Boks looked to tired to even form a defensive line in the last 10-20 minutes.... Or they just gave up by then. Nine tries to no tries is extraordinary!! The first half the Boks look to be keeping up with the ABs even though they had two disallowed tries, but you could tell the ABs were hunting more tries and it didn't take to long after the second half. 
The Boks are or (were) our biggest foe, for years NZ rugby has dreaded playing in SA but those days of concern look to be far behind us going by this display. Damn shame, Springboks need to get their anger back, aggressive and unforgiving nature. Hope they can sort it soon or we'll have to find someone else to worry about playing... At the moment their isn't a lot to worry about it. England....pffttt hardly but they might put up a half decent fight. Better luck next year, good luck up North

 But, but, but Shark ... I thought you were happy with this side?
What's made you change your mind? 
Your favourites De Jongh and Morne were there.  
You should stand by your boys. What's this sudden tucking of tail and running for cover?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!!

We have more depth in young talent than we have ever had and what we get dished is a fucking utterly useless clown like Coetzee as our coach.........he has taken us from Meyer waking up too late to the winning formula in terms of players where we narrowly lost to the Kiwi's in a WC semi to having 50 points put over us.
So instead of building on what Meyer woke up to......he chooses to start from scratch and insult us with selections like Lambie and Goosen at 15, Hougaard wasted on the wing, Mvovo on the wing, de Jongh at 12 and 13, Morne at 10, Paige at 9, Strauss at 2, Adriaanse at 3, Louw at 6 and Oupa at 7.....Alberts on the bench.
To say our resources are the worst you have ever seen is ignorance of the highest level......no wings wow......Combrink, Ulengo, Ismiel, Senatla, Skosan, Kolbe, Rhule, Sithole, v/Wyk, Zas, Sergel Petersen.....take your pick
No centres wow......de Allende, Kriel, Serfontein, Mapoe, Janse v/Rensburg, Esterhuizen, Odendaal, Frans Venter, Mnisi, Am, Swanepoel, Vorster.....take your pick
No loosies wow......Vermeulen, Kolisi, Carr, Notshe, Elstadt, Kwagga, Brink, Whiteley, Kriel, Ackerman, Oupa, Arno Botha, Kirsten, Labs, Jacques du Plessis, Liebenberg, du Preez x 2, Mtembu, Marcel Coetzee, v/d Walt....take your pick
To say that these players are worse than the Kiwi stocks is simply rubbish.....Todd or Cane are nowhere near as good as Jaco Kriel, Crotty does not have a patch on de Allende, Janse v/Rensburg or Serfontein......the difference is in the environments they find themselves.......take any of the players on my list and put them in the AB side for a year and see how much more Jaco Kriel would offer the AB side than Cane would or de Allende would over Crotty

 the SA rugby has many problems,..... the first one is the SA coaches,..... all the SA coaches are still in 2007,.... except may be Ackerman (but he failed with the SA-A team and his Lions team was made by Mitchell)

and the second one is the lack of depth,.... specially in the backline

Ulengo, Ismaiel, Senatla, Skosan, Kolbe, Rhule, Sithole, v/Wyk, Zas, Sergel Petersen are all average SR players,.... they wouldn't make any NZ SR team,.... let alone the AB

never average SR players suddenly became good test players,.... it goes the other way, from all the good or outstanding SR players some of them will be good test players but not all of them,.....
Combrick is the only SA player who is test material for the moment,..... and the only one in the group of the bests at SR level with players like B. Smith, W. Naholo, N. Nadolo, N. Milner-Skudder, I. Dagg, I. Folau, S. Naivalu, etc.

Kolbe, Rhule, Sithole, v/Wyk, Zas, Sergel Petersen are not test material,.... never will be,.... Ulengo and Ismaiel could be if they were younger,.... but I doubt very much tha t with 26 and 24 yo they are going to develop to good test players

same goes for the centers,....  Esterhuizen, Odendaal, Mnisi, Am (???), Swanepoel, are very average at SR level (if they are SR players),....
Serfontein, Mapoe are good SR players but failed at test level,..... de Allende was a very good test player last year but now he's a tenth the player he was,.... so we have that RJvR and F. Venter are the only good SR players that could be good test players but they have to still prove it (Vorster could be another one but first he has to play SR)

 For once Basque hits the nail on the head.

AB is speaking a load of utter shit for if Todd can make the AB side and Crotty the same then saying our class youngsters would not make their provincial sides is fucking insulting.
Todd and Crotty are as average as they come  

 you are clueless if you say that Crotty is average after what he showed this last RC

both Todd and Cane are better opensides than Kriel,... to begin wit h kriel is an openside that plays like a blindside,.... there are not real opensides in SA since Brussow

Crotty is as average as they come.......no chance in hell he will stay in the AB side, if he does it will be a bonus. He reminds me of Brad Barritt who played for England....neither athletic or skillful......a massive decline from Nonu and SBW
de Allende, Janse van Rensburg, Serfontein, Odendaal and Frans Venter are all better than Crotty
As for knocked kneed Todd, what a joke......better than Jaco Kriel now that is the laugh of the decade. Cane is marginally better than Todd but hardly special.
Jaco Kriel is twice the player - his Super rugby stats prove that......plays like a blindside......fuck me that's ignorance of the highest order.....I'm yet to see a blindside with the pace of a centre or pops up in attack like a back as Kriel does
Add Moody at loosehead, hardly special now is he......Kitshoff and Thomas du Toit make him look like a school prop. 
But an arrogant twat like yourself has the audacity to tell us our players would not make your provincial sides - fuck off.
If we had Ackerman and Swys de Bruin as our Bok coach duo instead of the politically appointed Coetzee your AB side would get beaten just like the Lions beat some of your Super sides.....and that s a fact

 Jaco Kriel is is the South African SUPERMAN! No joke, the guy has a monster workrate!



New Zealand flankers by ranks:

1 - Savea
2 - Cane
3 - Todd

 Can't wait to have...

Vorster (center)
Van Rensburg (center)
Rhule (wing)
Venter (center)
Combrick (wing)
Gelant (fulback)
Pollard (10)

...in the team! That will be awesome!

Agreed with your Kiwi openside rankings......they are stupid playing Todd or Cane ahead of Savea.....madness

 please, learn what a fact is,.... nothing beginn ing with an "if" can be a fact

then learn to read properly,.... I never said that your "players would not make your provincial sides",...l. I talked about "NZ SR team", not the provincial sides

Jaco Kriel plays like a blindside,.... he doesn't get too much involved in breakdowns and doesn't link with the backline as often as the real opensides,.... when he runs (and he's an excellent ball carrier) he likes more to run in traffic or by his own like a blindside,..... Todd and Cane and, for sure Savea) are IMO better opensides
Kriel is an excellent SR player, no doubt,.... but he's struggling at test level

Serfontein and Odendaal better than Crotty????? yeah, sure
what have they achieved at test level? Oh, wait,... one has failed everytime he played with the boks and the other one has never played test level,..... neither have played RJvR or Venter (both very good SR players, specially the first, and very probably good test players but still have to prove it)
de Allende is now a very average player,.... he's been a liability in every game he played this year both at SR and at test level

Crotty is ten times the defender any of those is,.... his reading of the game and decision making is second to none,... when any of those SA players get 4 tries or run 200 metres in 5 games of a Rugby Championship we talk about who is better,.... Crotty proved to be one of the best 12 in the world at this moment,.... and he's going to put things really hard to SBW,...

Kriel is a small man who is best as a tackler in broken play....in the tight stuff he is knocked backwards for momentum. Against CC opposition he also made some decent runs, none in the tests, yesterday he was on for almost the whole game and made zero metres. All hype.

 Give him time, he will grow in the team. What he doesn't have in size he compensates in heart...just like Faf. Give them time and they will deliver.

Oh what utter crap....Jaco Kriel is the same size as the likes of Hooper, Cane, Todd, Savea etc......the role of a 6 is not to be physical.......but of the 6's mentioned, Kriel is stronger than Cane or Todd.
Moz stop being so stupid man.....how is Kriel going to make metres when the Boks got no ball and spent the game tackling......which Bok forward did make metres of note then?
Hype my arse, he has had limited opportunities under useless Meyer, instead we have seen investment in the utterly useless Louw.
Given the results one would think that stupid Coetzee would have at some point given Kriel a start

I heard Hansen onna radio saying that he 'expects' that Savea will add a few more kg in the near future .

Louw was sorely missed on Saturday .