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Five talking points on the game between the AB's and the Springboks

Started by clevermike18 REPLIES525 VIEWS· 29 Jul 2019, 09:23
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2019, 09:23
#1
29 Jul 2019, 09:23#1

The following from News24:-


The All Blacks also conceded fewer penalties (8-11) but somehow failed to win the game.

Another crucial statistic I felt cost the hosts dearly was the fact that they uncharacteristically made 13 handling errors, compared to South Africa's 5.

4. Boks lacked impetus on attack

I'll admit I felt the game was over when the All Blacks took a seven-point lead with seven minutes remaining.

The Springboks, despite their early dominance, never really looked like scoring a try and lacked impetus on attack.

They were often caught behind the advantage line and it was tough for me to envision them scoring when it really mattered, before a moment of brilliance by Cheslin Kolbe and Herschel Jantjies stunned the home crowd.

The Springbok attack however remains a work in progress - they were too static too often on Saturday.

5. Late scrum boost for Boks

The Springboks held their own at scrum time for most parts until the 53th minute when the All Blacks won a kickable penalty with a power scrum.

Soon afterwards, both Bok props Frans Malherbe and Steven Kitshoff were replaced by Trevor Nyakane and Tendai Mtawarira respectively.

Nyakane was particularly impressive in a Springbok scrum which had a late resurgence.

Nyakane's first scrum turned the tables and he helped South Africa win a crucial penalty in the 77th minute which allowed them to set up a lineout inside New Zealand territory.

The Bulls front-ranker was sublime against Australia at Ellis Park and must surely be pressing for a permanent starting role.

. All Blacks dominate the stats

The Springboks made most of the play in the first 35 minutes, but after Goodhue's try the hosts took control.

Statistics derived post-game revealed as much, with the All Blacks dominating all the major facets of play.

According to SANZAAR's official website, the All Blacks dominated the metres made (401m-237m), carries (154-100), defenders beaten (28-11), clean breaks (16-4), passes completed (227-114), offloads (11-8) and rucks won (112-75) categories.

The All Blacks also conceded fewer penalties (8-11) but somehow failed to win the game.

Another crucial statistic I felt cost the hosts dearly was the fact that they uncharacteristically made 13 handling errors, compared to South Africa's 5.

4. Boks lacked impetus on attack

I'll admit I felt the game was over when the All Blacks took a seven-point lead with seven minutes remaining.

The Springboks, despite their early dominance, never really looked like scoring a try and lacked impetus on attack.

They were often caught behind the advantage line and it was tough for me to envision them scoring when it really mattered, before a moment of brilliance by Cheslin Kolbe and Herschel Jantjies stunned the home crowd.

The Springbok attack however remains a work in progress - they were too static too often on Saturday.

5. Late scrum boost for Boks

The Springboks held their own at scrum time for most parts until the 53th minute when the All Blacks won a kickable penalty with a power scrum.

Soon afterwards, both Bok props Frans Malherbe and Steven Kitshoff were replaced by Trevor Nyakane and Tendai Mtawarira respectively.

Nyakane was particularly impressive in a Springbok scrum which had a late resurgence.

Nyakane's first scrum turned the tables and he helped South Africa win a crucial penalty in the 77th minute which allowed them to set up a lineout inside New Zealand territory.

The Bulls front-ranker was sublime against Australia at Ellis Park and must surely be pressing for a permanent starting role.


There is a problem with our analysts on site.  They are so intent on attacking Erasmus and certain Springbok players that they would not analyze anything else.  Did Barrett step on the line before he passed the ball to Goodhue?   That was never mentioned before - so we will see whether they will consider that one at all.


And Mozart gave all the credit for good scrumming to Beast never even mentioning Nyakane.   Who was better - Nyakane or Beast?            


 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
29 Jul 2019, 10:30
#2
29 Jul 2019, 10:30#2

Did Barrett step on the line before he passed the ball to Goodhue? 

No.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2019, 11:16
#3
29 Jul 2019, 11:16#3

What about the next step?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Jul 2019, 11:18
#4
29 Jul 2019, 11:18#4

Was fine too Maaik...I was hoping too, but there was nothing wrong with it.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2019, 11:21
#5
29 Jul 2019, 11:21#5

I accept that too - but just look at the observation in the paper. .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2019, 11:21
#6
29 Jul 2019, 11:21#6

I accept that too - but just look at the observation in the paper. .

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
29 Jul 2019, 11:23
#7
29 Jul 2019, 11:23#7

What about the next step?

That is the closest he comes to the touchline.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Jul 2019, 11:49
#8
29 Jul 2019, 11:49#8

He got closer than that picture you show Pakster. From what i saw he may have clipped the line but your post doesn't help with proving things one way or another. You need to see the whole sequence pakster in slow motion. Until then i reserve judgement.

But what about the clear knock on which allowed the wee abs to take that last penalty. Had Berry picked the knock on up (He was close to where it happened) the wee abs would have lost the test.

How about some info on that.

Looks like its getting to the point where some oaks are hoping the Boks lose so they can be justified in having a go at Rassie!!! Hope that i s not the case.


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
29 Jul 2019, 12:08
#9
29 Jul 2019, 12:08#9

I did watch the whole sequence Beeno, that is the closest he gets to the line. If he stepped on the line I would have placed a pic of him stepping on the line.

The ball definitely spilled forward in the ruck where the ABs got their last penalty, but Mapimpi had wrapped Smith in a tackle so if he ripped it clean when they hit the ground it could have gone backwards off him. I don't have high enough quality footage at the moment to be certain one way or the other. It does look like Whitelock flopped of his feet in pursuit of the same ball, but again I'll comment more when I have the full game downloaded on my pathetic internet and have access to proper image quality and proper replay angles. All I have now is a highlights reel.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2019, 12:30
#10
29 Jul 2019, 12:30#10

Thanks Pakie

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jul 2019, 13:44
#11
29 Jul 2019, 13:44#11
So the points about scrumming and the match stats, written a day later make exactly the points I made yesterday. So similarly you wonder if the author read my piece. Do you believe me now Tokkie?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2019, 14:51
#12
29 Jul 2019, 14:51#12

Nobody would read your piece and make any logic out of it,  Remember your ratings - Beast 8 and Nyakane 6.  Typical Mozart distortion.  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jul 2019, 15:21
#13
29 Jul 2019, 15:21#13
Both of our big scrumming wins came from the loosehead side. The Beast changed the scrums when he came on.....Nyakane helped a bit.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2019, 16:00
#14
29 Jul 2019, 16:00#14

Amen the idiot has spoken,    

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
29 Jul 2019, 16:27
#15
29 Jul 2019, 16:27#15

Okay, having watched higher quality footage now it certainly looks like Ben Smith lost the ball forward in that ruck. NZ commentators also mentioned Whitelock diving off his feet into the ruck like I picked up, saying "again, they have been incredibly hard done by there" (referring to the Boks), just like Vermeulen was penalized earlier in the game while on his feet competing for the ball, eliciting the same response from the commentators.

BUT, there's also this to even things out a little. The All Blacks missed out on a penalty with a clear early tackle by Steph just outside the NZ 22 with the score 16-9. I called it during the live commentary and now confirmed that it was way early, as you can see Steph already wrapped around the guy with the ball still on its way. We were lucky to get away with it.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jul 2019, 17:24
#16
29 Jul 2019, 17:24#16
Nice spot Pakie.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jul 2019, 01:16
#17
30 Jul 2019, 01:16#17

No the ball was knocked on and Pakie finds another attack on Du Toit is appropriate - whaty a BSter.    

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
30 Jul 2019, 07:48
#18
30 Jul 2019, 07:48#18

So you're saying, even given the evidence above, that was not an early tackle?

What do these outbursts amount to except making you look like a stubborn old fool, Mike? 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
30 Jul 2019, 07:52
#19
30 Jul 2019, 07:52#19

I should find this surprising, but given what I have observed in the past, this denial isn't actually that bad... by comparison. 

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