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Folau to play in the centres for the Tahs..

Started by Brycy11 REPLIES219 VIEWS· 13 Dec 2013, 21:40
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
13 Dec 2013, 21:40
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13 Dec 2013, 21:40#1

As we suggested earlier Folau should play in the centres as he did in in league but dumbarse McKenzie chucks him on the wing...looks like the Tah coach has more rugby nous than the national coach..

 

Ewen McKenzie insists he won't be telling the Waratahs where to play the Wallabies' superstar asset Israel Folau next Super Rugby season.

The Australian coach believes Folau is most effective as a fullback, but NSW may look to shift the country's key strike-weapon to outside centre in 2014.

 

Waratahs boss Michael Cheika has three class players at his disposal in Kurtley Beale, Bernard Foley and Folau, who could all argue they're best suited to wearing the No.15.

Cheika has said he won't make a decision on positions until the pre-season, however it's understood he likes the idea of utilising Folau's power as the go-to man in the backline, like Sonny Bill Williams was for the Chiefs.

 

After scoring 17 tries in five matches on the Spring Tour, the Wallabies are eager to use their enterprising time in Europe as a platform for a breakthrough season next year.

Folau was their attacking centrepiece at fullback, and the Wallabies need him to continue to develop his game.

 

However, McKenzie says he won't interfere if Folau is effectively played out of position by the Waratahs. (After playing him on the wing much of the year...)

 

"Whether they're slightly out of position ... they've got a whole raft of good players all capable of playing different positions," McKenzie told AAP.

"I'm not going to tell Michael Cheika where to play people. I respect the Super Rugby teams have to do what they have to do.

"I'll watch them for the skill contributions they put on the field and the attitude and intensity they display.

"I'll obviously talk to Michael Cheika and see how he's going to do it so I understand what they're trying to achieve.

"It's not going to mean it'll line up with what I'm doing.

"The best players can adapt, that's why they're the best players."

McKenzie says a key benefit of using Folau at fullback is the impact he can have on the thought process of the opposition.

"The teams who want to kick it means he touches the ball and he gets to play. If they don't want him to touch the ball they don't kick it to him so that's also a good outcome for us," McKenzie says.

 

"Even I was sceptical at the start because he didn't have background in the game and came from different sports ... but clearly he has a terrific attitude, he's a professional operator and he doesn't get distracted. He absorbs ideas and concepts."

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WardadPro6,663 posts
14 Dec 2013, 15:11
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14 Dec 2013, 15:11#2
 Yup put him in the centers so as to stuff him up ,didnt aussies piss and moan about Deans supposedly doing this ?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Dec 2013, 15:03
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15 Dec 2013, 15:03#3
 He could be lethal at 13
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
15 Dec 2013, 15:08
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15 Dec 2013, 15:08#4

 As stated earlier in the year - I thnk the Tahs will play him there in trials and knowing the freakish talent of Folau I think too he will excel. Maybe he will stay there during the season but will have to wait and see... One thing for sure he would make Jean and Smith look pedestrian if he does move there -

 

I probabaly think Link would keep him @ 15 because of the room he gets and did i mention under the high ball????

 

Be interesting to see what develops in Super rugby this year.... Boy id love to see him move back to Qld though with QC @ the reds.... now that would be something....

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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
15 Dec 2013, 15:17
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15 Dec 2013, 15:17#5
"The teams who want to kick it means he touches the ball and he gets to play. If they don't want him to touch the ball they don't kick it to him so that's also a good outcome for us," McKenzie says. - What a complete fool! This man clearly wasn't watching the whitewash against South Africa and New Zealand

It was obvious very early on that Folau was not a test 15, he is very poor under the high ball and is too slow. He cost the Wallabies dearly throughout the Rugby Championship by running aimlessly from deep and getting turned over. He has no boot either. Wing? Just as poor as fullback. He does however create opportunities. I think with the advent of Toomua as an inside-center Folau perhaps has missed his opportunity, as I firmly believe he is a 12 in the $onny Bill mold. Ewan won't drop Toomua if it conceals the flawed Cooper - Cooper being his mistress it would seem, such is the infatuation with the Flayed Blooper. Certainly the move will be of great benefit to the Tahs, so in that regard I don't think this can really fail.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Dec 2013, 15:30
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15 Dec 2013, 15:30#6

I am not sure about this one.   Folau at his best is when he is in space - and beats the opposition defenders with speed and srength.   Will he have that space as a 13?   I think he may be watched carefully by the opposition and that may limit his ability to perform as he will not have the space as he has had at full back..  


We will have to see whether the Waratahs actually play hi at centre  and how he will do in that position in Super 15 next year. 

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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
15 Dec 2013, 15:42
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15 Dec 2013, 15:42#7
Folau is very good in contact and getting the pass away, i.e., a player in the SBW mold. In space? He doesn't have the pace to exploit any space. He is very easily caught by the scramble defence and easily beaten out wide as a defender. The key concern as an outside defender would be that lack of pace on defence. As I noted a while back, outside centre is the most difficult defensive position on the field. He could play a Conrad Smith playmaking role, but could very well be caught out on defence. Certainly as a coach I would not like the idea of having Habana, Savea or Le Roux bombarding his channel. But all this is conjecture, we will have to wait and see what happens with the Tahs first. He certainly has the general make-up of a centre, but the extreme Lambie-eqsue hype generated from what has been a failed year for him may bee too much to live up to. He will probably disappear to League at some point like so many others.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Dec 2013, 16:09
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15 Dec 2013, 16:09#8

Sun-Tsu


Nice guy - you cannot help bringing in Lambie into the discussion.  Lambie is favoured by a few members on this site - but definitely not hyped up.   The reason for the support is clear - Morne Steyn cannot even make the starting line-up for Stade Francais because e is not up to standard.  If he cannot make the starting line-up for a Club in France -  he is definitely not good enough to play for the Springboks.


However, back to Folau.  I differ with respect  from you insofar as Folau is concerned - he is an excellent player and that fact is recognized in all countries he has played in.  The question to my mind is whether he should play at center - I have reserv ations about hat one.   

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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
15 Dec 2013, 16:16
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15 Dec 2013, 16:16#9
Lambie has been the most hyped player of the past three years. It reached such a point that it was deemed that our entire World Cup prospects hinged on him alone. It neve stops. Only Goosen came close, and both have done nothing at test level. Never follow the eccentric hype trail. And thus the comparison is valid, Folau is being hailed in Australia as the best fullback in the world. Gross overhype. Easy. Well, at least it should be.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Dec 2013, 16:29
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15 Dec 2013, 16:29#10

Sun-Tzu


What about Morne Steyn?????????? He is the most over-hyped player I have seen for years.   Very little ability and is an all-round flop at the best of times.


  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Dec 2013, 16:32
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15 Dec 2013, 16:32#11
 Sun-Tzu = Taipan
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
15 Dec 2013, 16:36
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15 Dec 2013, 16:36#12
 More of a Black Mamba I'd say.
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