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FRANCE TO STOP SELECTING 'FOREIGN' PLAYERS; Rugby 365

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Dec 2016, 02:21
#1
21 Dec 2016, 02:21#1

NEWS: FRANCE WILL NO LONGER SELECT NON-FRENCH PLAYERS FOR ITS NATIONAL TEAM, FRENCH FEDERATION PRESIDENT BERNARD LAPORTE SAID ON TUESDAY.

The news came following a meeting between the French Rugby Federation (FFR) and World Rugby President Bill Beaumont in Paris.

"I told Bill that we've taken the political decision to stop playing foreign players in the national team," said Laporte, who was only elected FFR President on December 3.

The issue of foreign-qualified players is contentious particularly for the Pacific Islands - Fiji, Samoa and Tonga - who often lose talented players that opt to represent some of the bigger, richer nations.

Current France players including New Zealand-born prop Uini Atonio, South African-born fullback Scott Spedding and Fijian wings Noa Nakaitaci and Virimi Vakatawa will remain eligible to represent France but other foreign-born players will not be allowed to follow suit.

"Obviously it's not retroactive. Those playing can continue playing, but it's a strong signal for French acadamies and our youngsters that we'll play a maximum number of Frenchmen."

According to current World Rugby rules, a player can represent another country if he has lived there for three consecutive years and has not yet played for anyone else.

World Rugby is looking at extending that criteria to five years.

During the meeting Laporte reiterated France's commitment to bidding against Ireland and South Africa to host the 2023 World Cup. Japan will organise the 2019 event.

Agence France-Presse

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Dec 2016, 02:39
#2
21 Dec 2016, 02:39#2
That's a good thing, good for French rugby and rugby in general. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
21 Dec 2016, 03:18
#3
21 Dec 2016, 03:18#3
How can you be so assumptive?
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
21 Dec 2016, 07:36
#4
21 Dec 2016, 07:36#4
If the whole rugby world did this could you imagine it? Think of NZ, Aus and England without their Pacific Islanders, and in England's case, everyone else! There would be a massive shift in rugby power. South Africa would lose Beast...that's about it.  
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
21 Dec 2016, 13:05
#5
21 Dec 2016, 13:05#5
The Beast is safely entrenched in SA rugby.

In 2010...we were deeply concerned about this and I wrote to Arch Bishop Tutu, Francois Pienaar and Madiba about this...not really expecting much but to my surprise I got positive help and feedback from 2 of them...even a phone call from Francois Pienaar who encouraged me to follow it up with Desmond Tutu...saying he was the right person for this...Madiba's secretary replied to but she that was not well and she also suggested that the Arch Bishop is the best course.

I followed it up with the bishop and later we heard that he had spoken to the minister and that Tendai was granted the right to play for SA.

I do not really know if it was this that made the difference but I warm reception from all.

We all love the Beast and he'll never know that...I was just doing my 2cents for SA rugby and a player I admire so much.

 

-----Original Message-----
FromSent: 04 June 2010 10:32 AM
To: 'Rhona Langan'
Subject: RE: Francois Pienaar...Tendai Mtawariri

 

Many thanks Rhonda…my contact number is 031 765 or cell 072925

I got a reply from Bishop Tutu…who is prepared to endorse this issue but I must do the leg work (suggested using the media) but I am not sure how to go about this and need direction.

 

It would be an honour to speak to Francois about this.

 

Thank you,

 

Kind regards,

 

Michael.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhona Langan [mailto:rhona@asem.tv]
Sent: 04 June 2010 10:22 AM
ToSubject: FW: Francois Pienaar...Tendai Mtawariri

 

Francois has some thoughts and would like to contact you, please forward your contact number.

 

Many thanks

Rhona

 

From: Rhona Langan
Sent: 31 May 2010 01:02 PM
To: '
Subject: RE: Francois Pienaar...Tendai Mtawariri

 

 

Dear Michael,

 

 

Would you be so kind as to forward me your phone number.

 

Many thanks

 

 

Rhona Langan

Executive PA

For & on Behalf of Mr Francois Pienaar

 

Tel: 021 701 2474/3

Fax: 086 572 5383

Cell: 082 379 1679

 

Email: rhona@asem.tv

Block E, First Floor

The Terraces, Steenberg Office Park

Steenberg Boulevard, Tokai

 

This e-mail is confidential and all its contents are the property of ADVENT SPORT ENTERTAINMENT AND MEDIA. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person: to do so could be a breach of confidence. Thank you for your co-operation.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Michael [GivenGain contact page] [

Sent: 26 May 2010 04:30 PM

To: Make-A-Difference Foundation

Subject: Francois Pienaar...Tendai Mtawariri

 

[This message was sent from your GivenGain contact page]

 

Dear Francois,

 

Please forgive me for using this site to write to you on an unrelated matter to "MAD" as I do not obviously know your address.

It is a matter where I feel you might be able to help or endorse or advise as we all have such great admiration and respect for you.

We want to start a petition against "Beast Tendai Mtawariri's dilemma (see below as I have written to both Desmond Tutu and Madiba for guidance and help for an issue that encompasses most SA rugby fans).

See below...not necessary to repeat it.

Warmest regards,

Michael

 

 

 

Our beloved Madiba,

 

 

 

I wrote to Archbishop Tutu on this matter that concerns multitudes of our countrymen that want Tendai restored to his rightful place and honour and would like to appeal to you as well to use your esteemed influence in high places to endorse this issue.

 

 

 

Can you assist and direct me.

 

 

 

Warmest regards,

 

 

 

Michael 

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Sent: 26 May 2010 01:32 PM

To: 'mpilo@iafrica.com'

Subject: Championing the cause of Tendai Mtawariri's Rugby career

Importance: High

 

 

 

Dear Arch-Bishop Desmond Tutu,

 

 

 

As a proud South African and rugby supporter I would like to appeal to your support and championing the cause of one of the most loved and respected players in SA rugby…Tendai Mtawarira…affectionately known as “Beast�.

 

 

 

You no doubt are aware of his plight in that recently he has been unfairly removed from our beloved Springbok side to play against Wales…and to summarize the history;

 

 

 

Although Mtawarira is fully eligible to play for South Africa under IRB rules, his Zimbabwean nationality has been a sticking point more than once in his career. South African has a policy of only allowing its nationals to represent the country, although it has been somewhat flexible; the South African Rugby Union officially cleared him to play with the Boks in the November 2009 Tests, after receiving clearance from the country's sports minister Mr M Stofile.

 

More recently, his citizenship has become a minor political issue in the country. In January 2010, Buthana Komphela, an  ANC member of the National Assembly and chair of its sports committee, publicly threatened to charge the SARU with "illegally" fielding Mtawarira and have him deported to Zimbabwe. Shortly after the threat, Mtawarira told the Sunday Independent,

 

 

 I am a South African at heart. I love this country. It has become my home. It is everything to me. Wearing the green and gold of the Springboks is a huge honour for me. That jersey is part of me. The green and gold flows in my blood. I feel just as much pride as any other guy in the team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I am a great admirer of your ability to champion the cause of injustices and put matters right I appeal to you, your Reverence…to assist me and endorse the plight of this black man who we whites so dearly love and respect…he himself through his character and manner is himself a type of peace-maker and uniter of all peoples in this country.

 

 

 

I would like to ask you if your would endorse a petition which could attract multitudes of signatures appealing for his right to play for this country and to live here as there is no future in his own country Zimbabwe for a man of his outstanding and exceptional playing skills…we do not want to lose him to Australia or perhaps England or France where no doubt he will be forced to further his career if he cannot fulfill it here.

 

 

 

I trust you will assist me in how to go about this and I am too thinking of pleading this cause to our beloved Madiba and rugby hero Francois Pienaar.

 

 

 

Warmest regards,

 

 

 

Michael 

 

 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
21 Dec 2016, 13:58
#6
21 Dec 2016, 13:58#6
 Tough days for excellent men. It is getting harder and harder to keep pretending.

So the French have decided on terminating selection on merit. Rugby fans, especially in SA, will be kept busy on petitioning to end that abomination.

Bring back selection on merit, France. Cant wait for the petitions to flourish.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
21 Dec 2016, 14:19
#7
21 Dec 2016, 14:19#7
 this is just "a show for the gallery",... as another article about the issue points:

"French Rugby will no longer pick players for their national side who don’t have a French passport"

but all what a player (as any other foreign citizen) has to do to obtain the passport is to have a 4 years residency in the country,... so what they are doing is to change the current rugby law about the need of 3 years residency in the country for the general law that gives you t he passport with 4 years of residency,... the only difference is that the players will have to wait one more year,... insignificant
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
21 Dec 2016, 15:09
#8
21 Dec 2016, 15:09#8
 No. As the delivery of a passport is not automatic.

It is another political interference.

Before that, players could be elegible whoever they were.

Now, they first will have to obtain a passport, that might be refused for various causes (like populistic pleasing of an electorate who tolerate certain people and abhor other)

The selection on merit was made on sport criteria. Now it is made on political criteria.

Hard time for excellent men as the french political interference is hard to justify relatively to SA political interference.

These are pleasing days, one must admit, Goosen's episode, France political interference etc
Quite hard for excellent men to paint themselves otherwise than they are.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Dec 2016, 15:15
#9
21 Dec 2016, 15:15#9
"If the whole rugby world did this could you imagine it? Think of NZ, Aus and England without their Pacific Islanders, and in England's case, everyone else! " So says Bluebok
In fact in the case of NZ, as ABF and San Sasue have documented many times.
ABs would not be effected at all by any changes related to nationality. Even players that were born in other pacific islands have been in NZ from childhood or at the latest high-school. Others are at least second generation kiwis.
It would be good if they straightened this nationality issue out but looks like thi s is not the case so far according to ABF & what he says makes sense.
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
21 Dec 2016, 20:09
#10
21 Dec 2016, 20:09#10
 NZ business is done through lower teams as they hand out selections to block certain players to be played elsewhere.

The likes of Tonga, Samoa and  Fiji are especially aimed by this kind of stuff.

Future is bright, more to come later.
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