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Francois Styn's comments about his career and himself

Started by clevermike10 REPLIES230 VIEWS· 23 Sept 2014, 23:12
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2014, 23:12
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23 Sept 2014, 23:12#1

Mozart


This really is where we stand at present with Francois Steyn according to a recent newspaper report:-


"Steyn immediately looked at home in Super Rugby and could well have bypassed that stage and gone straight to Test rugby and still been a hit. No, Pollard isn’t there.   But there are lessons in Steyn’s story. Having won a World Cup at 20, a British & Irish Lions series a couple of years later and stockpiled more euros than he could shake a stick at before he was 25, Steyn has regressed badly. Overweight and seemingly lacking drive, the once-brilliant talent is a shadow of his former self.


Steyn admitted to me in a 2012 interview that he had always struggled with, well, let’s call it over-confidence. It made him difficult to teach and correct, he said, and his enormous success and the accompanying acclaim he experienced in his formative years as a pro fed the monster.


He said he wished he’d had a mentor to guide him through that period, wished he’d been more cir[removed]spect in how he dealt   with certain people, wished he hadn’t burned so many bridges, wished it had gone a little slower."


Now we hve something to chew on.   Steyn came back from France and played in two matches for the Sharks in Super 15 in 2012.   Did nothing of note - and then played five matches for the Springboks - was definitely not upto standard.   He got injured and was off for the rest of 2012.


When he came back from France he was clearly overweight and turned into a real fatso during his injury lay - off in 2012.   He cme bck to training in January 2013 weighing 118 kgs and Plumtree put him oon a weight reduction programme.   His speed was down to ambling along.  Hopeful that Steyn would react possitively - Plumtree made him Sharks interim captain - huge mistake.   he stayed on the field of play an his performances were poor.   Plumtre was forced to replace him early in the Kings game las t year and apparently a storm brooke after that one.    He lasted one more Super 15 game - against the Brumbies - where he put up an atrociously bad performance  and was then dropped from  the starting line up.   Plumtre at the time said that Styn is no center and said he was going to try him out at full back.     Be is as it may he started in two later games - because of injuty to Jordaan and was injured in the seond match - whereafter he played vitually no further rugby in 2013.   In fact he was poor and his ttreatment by Plumtree was in fact fully justified.


Now th question is - was he any better in 2014?   One improvement was that he was not as fat as he was in 2012 and 2013.   He could at least see his feet when kicking balls.  His goalkicking was consequently better - which is a plus.   However, he pace was still too slow for  backline player and his lack of ability to move sideways o cover defense of players running at an ngle - resulted in serious defense deficiencies.    He was basically inacpable of making line breaks - in 16 matches he managed one obnly - and also ibarely cpabale of beating defenders.   Was he better in 2014 than he was previously?  The article sums it up properly:-


"Steyn has regressed badly. Overweight and seemingly lacking drive, the once-brilliant talent is a shadow of his former self."


And you want that shadow in the Springbok team?   What an idiotic selection that would be.  

      




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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Sept 2014, 00:29
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24 Sept 2014, 00:29#2
 You stupid bloody plank. I posted the entire article on a thread that you just replied to, complete with link to the article the lot.

It was not even a link to a newspaper article, you bloody BS'er. It was from SARugbymag. Having another Morne Steyn/Paris St Germaine moment here?

It was not even a recent article either. It was published in November 2013 and was actually about Handre Pollard. The one who you didn't rate as a flyhalf two/three months after this article was published.

I guess this will once again be the last we see of you on this thread as well.

– This article first appeared in the November issue of SA Rugby magazine
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2014, 01:09
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24 Sept 2014, 01:09#3
 Dof doos
The comments about Pollard I dealt with elsewhewre and was made during that year or earlythis year during the Varsity Cup games.  That was the point doos.
The article also referred to Francois Steyn and since you  and Mozart - the resident morons - support his selection - I opened this thread to deal with that one.  

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
24 Sept 2014, 01:12
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24 Sept 2014, 01:12#4
 What's your opinion on what was said about Frans Steyn in this article/November issue of SArugbymag Ceradyne?
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Sept 2014, 02:06
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24 Sept 2014, 02:06#5
@Shezza. I do not care about Frans Steyn. I did not support him as a Bok flyhalf. I acknowledged, and mentioned, that he started his career off as a flyhalf and did great at the time. I also agreed that he was better than what Ou Maaikie made him out to be. I have always been on his case over his obsession to exaggerate and lie. Steyn has made his bed and he seems to have accepted that he would not be in the Bok team any time soon.

@Ou Maaikie. You have not really dealt with the Pollard issue elsewhere, other than trying to BS yourself out of a tight spot again. In fact, I did not even expect you to add anything meaningful, because you do not have anything, TBH. I actually posted that article for the interest of Blikkies and Sharkbok i f you just bothered to get your eyes out of you backside and looked carefully.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2014, 02:45
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24 Sept 2014, 02:45#6
 You are the BSteter in this case doffies.  I wrote t the time what i saw of Pollard - and did not manufacture anything.  He improved this year and I said nothingnegative about him this year before the start of the season.   
By the way if you want to see a continuous flop - go and see what Frnacois Steyn produced in Super 15 this year.   ESWPN will be of great help to you.   \He was putrid  and that is factual.  
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Sept 2014, 03:30
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24 Sept 2014, 03:30#7
Well what do you know. See how easy you are caught out BS'ing every time?

This is what you just said:
"I said nothingnegative (sic) about him (Pollard) this year before the start of the season."

The season started on 15 Feb 2014. This is what you said on 2 Feb 2014:
"I do not rate Pollard as a flyhalf - he is a Morne Steyn clone - and that is bad news."

Ou Maaikie, Bullsh!tter pa r excellence.
 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2014, 06:36
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24 Sept 2014, 06:36#8
 Dpfdoos 
That was before the start of the 2014 rugby seaaon - what a dim doos we have here!!!!!!!!!!
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Sept 2014, 11:15
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24 Sept 2014, 11:15#9
 What a plonker. That is the second time that you actually confirm that you are BS'ng without even knowing it. You have painted yourself in a corner, poepol. Look closely at what you said.

"I said nothingnegative (sic) about him (Pollard) this year before the start of the season."

This is the part that is under discussion:

"I do not rate Pollard as a flyhalf - he is a Morne Steyn clone - and that is bad news."

The quote in bold was said on 2 Feb 2014 and that was before the start of the season, this year. Now explain to me how you can claim that you have not said anything negative of him before the start of the season.

The crux of the matter is that Moz was 100% when he said that you were writing Pollard off in favour of the poor soul who is finding life difficult in France and the utility back from the Sharks. Then two you were also drooling over Swiel, of course while Dawie Kabouter still had Jantjies (remember him?) in the back of his head.

I will be the first to admit that I did not, until quite recently, believe that he should be in the Bok team yet, let alone start a test. I have never written him off at any stage, though.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2014, 13:20
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24 Sept 2014, 13:20#10
  Dof Doos
When does the 2014 rugby season start in  SA?   Middle Februrary - jou toe ding.   What i said was based on last years performances - which were not all that bright.   


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Sept 2014, 14:22
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24 Sept 2014, 14:22#11
 Jirre maar jy is flippin stupid. You keep on repeating what I have said and, in essence, you keep on agreeing with me, yet you keep on saying that I am stupid.

  1. Did you, or did you not, say that you have not said anything negative about Pollard before this year, before the start of the season.
  2. Did you, or did you not say that you do not rate Pollard and that he was bad news?
  3. Was the remark, that you do not rate Pollard and that he was bad news, made on 2 February 2014?
  4. Is 2 February 2014 before or after the start of the season this year, yes or no?

Answer the above and then explain to me where I went wrong.

Once we have that sorted out, there is still the little issue that HM knew years ago that Pollard was something special and that you have, less than eight months ago, still not believed that there was anything special about him.
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