BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 May 2014, 16:48#2
Sharks definitely would have won with L ambie playing.
Even the nz oak Mitchell says the try against the post was a try. Thenz commentators said there should have been another kick given to Jantjes. Bent reffing cost the Lions big time. Campo also says there should have been a second kick. I also didnt appreciate Jackson.
Two games down the tubes.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 May 2014, 16:49#3
Rooinek
There is one word which describes Steyn's performance today precisely:-
SHIT
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 May 2014, 16:49#4
Rooinek
There is one word which describes Steyn's performance today precisely:-
SHIT
10 May 2014, 16:58#5
Fuck off to Japan Frans Steyn.
Very quickly becoming the worst back line player in this comp and its only his name and reputation that sees him make the team each week. He is a mere shell of the player he once was and had the potential to be. He is the only reason we didnt win tonight.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 May 2014, 17:03#6
Jordaan is a better 13 as well. The Sharks backline needs a rejig. Reinach, Sweil, Esterhuizen, Jordaan, JP, Ndungane, Mvovo looks more promising to me?
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 May 2014, 17:05#7
Frans lost this game. How will Jake react.
10 May 2014, 17:06#8
Definitely Beeno but I think Esterhuizen is off with the baby Boks in preparation?We need Lambie and we need him very soon..Swiel to play until Lambie is ready!
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 May 2014, 17:26#9
Beeno
Let me be more explicit. Last year Plumtree saw that Steyn was a poor center and after the fourth game he put Steyn on the bench and said he intended to use him as full back in future. He was forced to bring Steyn back for two games at 13 due to Jordaan's injury.
White was much more patient than Plumtree and since the Sharks won most of their early matches the position was not as critical as it was under Plumtree. Steyn this year was shit poor - whether he played at center or flyhalf. I do not think that White's patience with him will last much longer. He may rejig the backline and play Steyn at full back - but that will likely also fail. The FATSO is too slow for that position.
10 May 2014, 20:38#10
oh and the lions being down 23 points at ht diddnt contribute to the end result, its all the refs fault and his special powers, hes so good even tho hes not even playing hes playing! Time to let go of this "bent" refs, ref screwed up but refs screw up all the time, theyre human, doesent mean its all predetermined all fixed just means ref mad. An error of judgement. But Sa teams in the past hv wan due to bad reffing, its not just Nz or Oz teams. End of the day Ref cnt make you kick, pass, accumulate points thats up to the players. Re Steyn wl Sharks did lose because of him, he missed three penalties, that wld of made it 18-16 Sharks. But saying you dont like Jackson now just because you dnt like the result, doesebt mean theirs bad reffing.
sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
10 May 2014, 20:59#11
@3IQ,
ummmnn, wrong thread!! LM FAO!!!!You just clicked on the thread just below the one of the bent ref!
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
10 May 2014, 21:03#12
I thought 3ku1's post was relevant on this thread also as steyn is responsible for everything bad in SA rugby. Just ask Mike
AJArthur John
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AJArthur JohnPro1,748 posts
11 May 2014, 04:40#13
Frans Steyn performance was more than shocking today.
With clevermikes comment I have to agree with , his performance was 'KAK" at best.
The Sharks need to score try's which then have not been doing thus far this season.
Second time Jake White has been out thought and shown up thus far this season.
Disappointing performance all round.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 May 2014, 04:51#14
This thread is a classic case of limited observation. Steyn had his best general game of the S15 at flyhalf today....his issue was his penalty and restart kicking. The stats bear this out, Frans out gained any other SA flyhalf by more than 40 metres.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 May 2014, 06:13#15
Mozart
I accept that you are totally deluded and cannot see anything. The stats said something that can easily be explained. The shit he produced is a fact. He "out gained any other SA flyhalf by more the; 40 meters".
Now how did he gain that magnificent distance achievement annd did it make a positive contribution to the game?
The answer is easy -
* Steyn made an aimless kick down the center of the field;
* He fell back to cover the return kick and when it came, he caught the ball and ran about 10 meters and make another aimless kick down the middle of the field;
* the process is repeated again and again
The whole process is totally non-productive - it never once occurred that Steyn attacked the gain and made any positive progress in the process. So forget about the so-called meters gained - it was non-productive and useless theoretical gain that represented nothing positive for the Sharks.
Look at the rest and all that it showed is utter bullshit. To be quite frank - if you cannot see that he is no flyhalf - then please admit that you are the rugby moron that anyone already know you are.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 May 2014, 06:21#16
Oom you totally missed his metres gained didn't you? Now you are pretending it came from punt returns. Nope old chap, he was very solid ball in hand...made a clean break and beat two defender and offloaded 3 times. He took the ball well into heavy traffic. His kicking was awful and he more or less lost the game as a result, but his general flyhalf play was solid. Try to open your eyes and see the whole picture. Here is your weak link in general play:
CJordaan0/001/3/4600001/10/010/0
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 May 2014, 06:43#17
Mozart
just one question 0- have you actually watched the game? Why not accept that all saw what actually happened?
Poor Jordaan received shit hospital passes from Steyn and had to try and deal with that. But lets look at the stats again:-
Steyn0/0917/8/178612325/00/000/0
Steyn handled the ball 42 times - of those he kicked away aimlessly 17 balls - followed by a sequence of kicks which ultimately resulted in a negative for the Sharks.
Steyn must at least be "congratulated" - he made his first line this year break today - but what happened then. He crashballed 3 meters further and the team lost possession of the ball.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 May 2014, 07:00#18
I watched the game. And forgive me if I don't follow what idiots like RooiAAS think....it's not about being part of the herd, it's about thinking for yourself. Steyn was very good ball in hand, offloading passing and tackling....his kicking was atrocious.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 May 2014, 07:41#19
Mozart
His kicking was atrocious - so 70% of his game was atrocious. He is NOT a flyhalf and he is not a center. He was the main reason why for the whole season the abckline of the Sharks misfired.
Plumtree was right - he is bloody useless as a center and to even think of playing him at flyhalf is an impossibility.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 May 2014, 07:51#20
Wrong, he did plenty of good things in the game..apart from his tackling and ball in hand efforts...look at the high ball where Kuridrani knocked himself silly trying to tackle Steyn. Frans took the ball and bounced off a tackle which would have flattened most players.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 May 2014, 08:03#21
Mozart
Last week you wrote a whole book about how good Steyn was and it is the same this week. Don't you get it - the man is NOT a flyhalf - and his one poor two individual efforts means nothing at all, since it effectively caused no real benefit for the Sharks at all. His constant bugger-ups caused havoc for the Sharks though. They lost possession of the ball and territory. The Brumbies try was the ultimate result of one of his bugger-ups.
He in fact is clueless ar flyhalf - and that is a fact.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 May 2014, 08:14#22
The whole Sharks kicking game was poor. Mvovo was totally out gained by Mogg, the wings were poor. The Sharks were convinced that Mogg was a weakness, and mostly he is. But today he wasn't. The back three out kicked Steyn 26 to 17, a lot of the issues reside there. Mogg returned it 21 times with interest.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 May 2014, 08:20#23
Mpzart
Since when is kicking the only function of a flyhalf? Steyn' s kicking was poor and the fact that the back three was no better is not s consolation. They were not the backline pivot - Steyn was.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 May 2014, 08:38#24
And that pivot guided the Sharks to 60 per cent more metres than the Brumbies....a good deal of which he accounted for personally.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 May 2014, 09:02#25
Mozart
You still did not get it - now do you? That 60% more meters were meaningless - since none of those meters were gained in attacking play involving Steyn. He made 70- meters of those when he fell back to collect kicks - run a number of meters and made another aimless kick straight at the opposing catcher.
In the context of the game that type of meter gains is really bullshit and detrimental.I look at the rest of his game and that was putrid.
Do you still think he deserves to be Springbok flyhalf?
11 May 2014, 10:29#26
I see what Moz is saying. When the dust settles, maybe we can all sit down and look at the game of Fransie in more detail but right now, I am yet to talk to a person who thinks Frans had a good game and Facebook news feed from Durbs friends was riddled with remarks about how poor Steyn was.My initial take after watching the game only once (live on tv) was that Frans is a prick! Then again, I am a very emotional supporter and get very vocal in front of the tv to the point where I wana break shit. Thats how frustrating the Sharks have become. You can bet your bottom dollar that we will not go 5 phases with out dropping the ball if it includes being passed to 2 or 3 people in a movement!
Kiwi and Aussie teams and Cheetahs do it with ease!! They make throwing the ball around look safe. We make a simple 10 to 12 pass end in my clinching my toes and gritting my teeth!! Thats a shit Sharks attack and if we get through on default, we will not win this tournament. Jake needs to do something and quick!
Has Jake over coached this team?? He perhaps needs to bring Eddie Jones back into the fray ala 2007 when our backs had a bit of idea on attack.We never see any trickery through our backs or little inside passes! The way we attack is no different to how an under 14 school team is taught to line up through the backs.Absolutely no skill. We need a rugby league coach to come in and help with out backs because those okes have some flair and trickery when they run it on 4th or 5th tackle!
I have just received my Sharks jersey all the way from the Shark Cage in Durban, sorted my accommodation and tickets out for Christchurch this weekend to go and watch us kick the ball to Dagg all day!! So bummed.The following week I will sit in the cold again and watch them kick it on to whoever the Blues play at Fullback..Thank fuck its not Piutau! These guys are no Jesse Mogg!!
MDMonkey D Luffy
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MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 May 2014, 11:50#27
tru dat rooy, calls for frans to play at 10 would have to be right up there with some of malemas best, lolz.
parttime sharkbiok and mozter would be feeling pretty damn stupid right about now, or same ol same ol, tehehehehehehe.
joke white didint help mater either with some rubbish tactics, the burmbies/sharks game saw a total of 87 kickis from hand, u were guaranteed to see at least 1 kick per minute in that debacle from joke whites last and current team.
so much attacking talent, but so little interest in using it.
RORooinek
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RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 May 2014, 12:17#28
Sasuke, do you know why Fat Fransie kicked all those restarts out on the full, why he didn't find touch with those penalties and why he's forever embarrassing himself with those long range drop kick misses?
It's all about his pathetic ego and his fixation with trying to show everyone how far he can kick the ball. Trying for too much height on the restarts, too much distance on the penalty touch-finders and forever trying to be the match-winning glory-boy with the drop kicks.
For Fat Fransie, it's all about Fat Fransie and screw the team. "Look how far I kan laaik to kick it" is all that's ever going through his tiny brain.
MDMonkey D Luffy
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MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 May 2014, 12:35#29
@rooy,
the intensity of ur blog is something akin to my blogs on mark hammet, LMAO,
franns was shocking, but im still a fan of his, i still rmemeber like it was yesterday how devastating those long power kicks of his was against the All Blacks in 09.
but i am at a loss to explain that performance, it would be disappointing if ego did play a role.
i never thought frans was a flyhaklf anyway, he was always a 12 or fullback, though im no longer sure about his credentials at 15 after that debacle.
he has a chance to redeem himself this weekend against the crusaders, i wouoldnt rule out not seeing frans at 10, white might justify it by saying the sharks only lost by 7 and that was despite playing like poo.
a 10% improvment might not change the outcome which will be favouring the crusaders, but it could give a much needed morale boost to the sharks.
lambies absence has been felt big time, but where is tim sweil, i thought he was dependable if not special in his few games to date.
RORooinek
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RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 May 2014, 13:04#30
Not sure what the story is with Tim Swiel. Joke White's man management of Swiel has been nothing short of pathetic.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2014, 13:07#31
Rooinek
I have to agree with you - it is an ego trip that has gone overboard. His continuous ball hogging is the same - "see how strong I am -I can carry balls against all defenders". Never mind the outcome of the ball carries - whether the Sharks lose possession or the backline is neutralized - does not count, it is all about Francois Steyn.
It is all very evident in his performances throughout the series - whether he okays at center or flyhalf. Overlaps are neutralized and his rare passing of balls to players outside of him, as well as the poor quality of some of those passes is notorious.
He in fact is the main reason for the malfunctioning of the Sharks backline.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2014, 13:07#32
Rooinek
I have to agree with you - it is an ego trip that has gone overboard. His continuous ball hogging is the same - "see how strong I am -I can carry balls against all defenders". Never mind the outcome of the ball carries - whether the Sharks lose possession or the backline is neutralized - does not count, it is all about Francois Steyn.
It is all very evident in his performances throughout the series - whether he okays at center or flyhalf. Overlaps are neutralized and his rare passing of balls to players outside of him, as well as the poor quality of some of those passes is notorious.
He in fact is the main reason for the malfunctioning of the Sharks backline.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2014, 16:55#34
Saffex
I do know for sure one thing - Steyn is no flyhalf, but is he a center? His performance at 12 this year was generally poor and one thing is for sure - he made absolutely sure that the players outside of him get only scraps insofar as passing f balls to thenm are concerned, They never get more than 20% of the balls passed to him - so whomsoever plays outside of him cannot perform at all.
I agree with you about playing Esterhuizen at 12. He won't be released from the UWC squad to play for the Sharks. If they want to play Steyn at all cos ts - he could perhaps play at full back.
12 May 2014, 17:05#36
Uhmmmm. Andre Esterhuizen was playing for the Baby Boks against the Argentina U/20s..............
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 May 2014, 17:16#37
Ummmmmmmmmm and what has he been doing for the past month or two you thick prick?
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2014, 17:56#38
Saffex
With all due respect - the Sharks backline also misfired with Steyn at 12. Steyn was basically the reason for that as well. He was at 12 a real problem, because he hogged balls and passed about 20% of the balls he received to other players. Of those some were to forwards and players inside of him - so the 13 and outside backs had to live off scraps and could not perform.
That remains a problem - Steyn basically under-performed badly at 12 as well.
By the way - did you see the match report on their 3rd game against Argentina. I posted it lower down. Although they won - and Esterhuizen scored one of the tries - it seems as if they under-performed. Looks like they did not hav their strongest combination this time around.
