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From a skills point of view our biggest problem iro attacking is

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Sept 2014, 21:07
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20 Sept 2014, 21:07#1

the inability to off load. This implies there has to be players backing up and running the right lines, sufficient pace etc.

Unfortunately so many players have their first instinct to go to ground. You dont see this in schoolboy rugby that much though.


Watching the bulle going to ground so much. Sharks were a bit better in this respect.


Hats off to Lionel Cronje who had a very good game.

Snapsters big pick Odenedaal looks like a headless chicken. Another de Jongh type of player whose passing is very poor.

Van Zyl is looking good, a natural scrummie.


Bulle have the players but lack rugby IQ. 


Mallet says the problem is bulle are in transition between old bulle style and playing a more attacking game. As this is virtually their Super  team it is a worry for next year.




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2014, 21:14
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20 Sept 2014, 21:14#2
 Beeno
Really you are wrong there.  The Bulls are  getting back Pollard and S erfomtein in the backline and they have bought Strauss and Labuschagne from the Cheetahs.   Arno Botha will also be back from injury.  Those five will make a massive difference to the Bulls Super 15 team next year.
Their losses will be Willemse - and in return they get the  Show Pony - bad trade that one.    
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Sept 2014, 21:17
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20 Sept 2014, 21:17#3
Yeah Odendaal had a nightmare. I actually liked him the first time I saw him in the CC about 4 weeks ago because he looked like an aggressive tackler, but now I have to agree that he looks pretty ordinary (as I think Shezza pointed out to me back then).

The Bulls had a good first half, they dominated up front and moved the ball around well, but I think that intercept just before half time rocked them a bit. Then the Sharks turned it on in the second half, put the ball behind the Bulls with some smart kicking and ran aggressively. The Bulls just never got back in the game.

But yes Beeno, quick offloads can open gaps in the defense and very few of our teams do it.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Sept 2014, 21:23
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20 Sept 2014, 21:23#4
 Well I hope you are right Mike. What a pity re Willemse. Another year of wee matfiled 106 kg will be disasterous. Still whoever they get if they dont stop going to ground so much their attack will struggle. It allows the opposition to reset. What is daft about all this is that great offloads and passes are what so often set up a try. You dont run over folk that much these days - even ou snapster realises that! The Lions are offloading pretty well and even WP.
Boks are still not offloading decently nor getting good passes away often enough. Common denominator - bulle style rugby.Hat's off to Lions coaching staff.

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sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
20 Sept 2014, 21:26
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20 Sept 2014, 21:26#5
Most backline tries in the SuperXV are from offloads. 
It is very hard to defend against because the tackler is taken out of play and this often creates a gap for the supporting runner. The supporting runner can also angle their run off the stationary ball carrier to set a running line that will beat the flat lying defence
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ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
21 Sept 2014, 01:48
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21 Sept 2014, 01:48#6
 And so it boils down to the midfield...the center fiasco that continues to plague our National team.But anyway,I don't know what I am talking about so nevermind.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Sept 2014, 06:22
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21 Sept 2014, 06:22#7
Passing unlocks defences and we have seen several good ones....JdV to Hendriks..Pollard to Hendriks.  We have the skills, we need to deploy them. We could do  with an Eddie Jones style backline consultant to put the whole thing together. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Sept 2014, 07:50
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21 Sept 2014, 07:50#8
 There has been a serious deterioration in performance of Jean de Villiers since last year and Morne was also much worse.   That combination detracted drastically from what was produced last year in the form of backline attacks.   
The problem also centers around the scrummies we have used since the injury to  Du Preez.  In the main Pienaar was robotic.  
The main problem is the fact that our backline players seems incapable in timing of off-loading and passing of balls in or critically before tackle situations.  That remains a major problem as well,
The second problem is running lines - the basic instinct of especially our centers is to run straight at the first opposition defenders and not at a line slightly to the gaps between opposition defneders.  We then wonders why they are incapable of affecting line breaks or drawing in more than one player to defend - ths creating space for other players to exploit.     I hae to agree that our inefficient backline coaching has a lot to do with it - but there is also the problem with proper reading of game situations - henc the deficiency in timing referred to above.  

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